I Gather Pack and Paddle..

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  1. CivilizationDropout

    CivilizationDropout -MOA #17- Supporter Bushclass I

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    and north away again I go.

    Here I'll post my load out for the paddle trip I am "guiding" (not really a guide, I just have more camping and paddle tripping experience than the rest of the group).

    I like to think this much gear is acceptable for either this three day reservior camp slumming or a week long river excursion.

    This is big shot, my personal with a couple shared items;

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    So, the following shots are clockwise from top left. I will try to 'read' out the gear left to right, top to bottom.

    Top Left;
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    Field & Stream 0° Sleeping bag
    AquaTuff 10x10/BCO 5x7 MEST (w/cordage)
    Alite Mayfly camp chair
    ALPS Chaos 2 tent & poles
    BCO Poncho
    550 cords Titan & 'normal' (spare)
    Body Glove water shoes
    Tactical Research TR103's Size 13
    BeFree water filter bottle

    Top Right;
    IMG_8031.JPG

    (Excluding the Mayfly, who is an attention hog)
    Camelback Ambush
    The gear on to the right and below stays with it, always;
    Hultafors Knife
    TuffPossum FAK Pouch w/IFAK
    Larry Light
    Electrical Tape
    TruNord Compass (@RickWA )
    Forceps, black w/zip-clip
    Match Safe (@woodsmanjohn)
    Trash Bags
    Striker (@Red Yeti)
    Mini Bic
    Sharpie
    TP
    StasherSilicon pouch (750 calories)
    Fishing Licenses
    Mechanix work gloves
    Indian Head Paddle
    Bad Axe Tenkara rod (@Hunt4lyf)
    Fly Tin & line keepers
    Pflueger President fishing rod
    Forest Friend Stove (on the shop towel)
    Fun Fire kit
    Sewn Pouch (@SwampYankee64)
    Mint Cake Tin (@DavidJAFO
    Big Boy Striker (@whtshdwwz)
    English Flint (@DavidJAFO)
    Onyx
    Crystalline Quartz
    Jute fiber
    Altoid Smalls Tins
    Amadou (self made)
    Char Cloth
    Marbles Match Safes
    Fatwood "matches"
    Storm matches
    Pocket Bellows
    Extra Tenkar Lines
    Spare braid line
    Tackle box (@wrath0r)

    Bottom Right;
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    Onyx PFD
    Car Wash XL Sponge (bailer)
    Sit Pad
    Featherlight paddle, short
    (All clothes are blended non cotton or wool materials)
    Shorts, Trousers and Rigger Belt
    Grunt roll x3
    Wool Socks x2

    Bottom Left;
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    (Sorry the top got clipped)
    CRKT Birler
    1qt Nalgene w/SS Cup (in a pouch)
    MSR pot w/ lid (strainstand inside)
    Fork, Spork & SS Chopsticks
    Top left misc. pile
    Ferro Rod
    Wire Saw w/tin
    Watch
    Pipe w/ Carter Hall (@T. Pollock)
    Black Diamond lamp (@Red Yeti)
    Compass, brass
    Pill Bottle, brass : Mineral oil
    Marttiini (@Primordial)
    Ontario Bolt (@FIELDCRAFTLTC)
    Cigar Tube Sewing Kit
    Rite in Rain field book
    Mesh laundry bag
    Pouch, snack packet (2k calories)
    Scentless Wipes
    WP phone lanyard
    Hiker Towel
    LLBean Polyester/wool flannel
    Carhart polyester shirt
    Hygiene Kit
    Hygiene Kit
    Horrible portrait
    Off!
    NorthFace Hoodie

    That's all the personal.
    Kitchen will be loaded with the food mid week.

    The pack most of it will be lugged in is en route, hopefully it'll make it before Thursday.

    Thanks for hanging in there.
     
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    Take me with you!!!
     
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  3. CivilizationDropout

    CivilizationDropout -MOA #17- Supporter Bushclass I

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    Haha, let me find a spot...... :D
     
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    T. Pollock T's Custom Outdoor Gear Vendor Supporter Bushcraft Friend Bushclass I

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    Hope you have an awesome trip brother, stay safe.
     
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    Youcantreadinthedark Amphibian. Supporter Bushclass I

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    ooooh, look at this fancy man changing shirts every day.


    How are you packing, one big portage bag, or several smaller bags?
     
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  6. CivilizationDropout

    CivilizationDropout -MOA #17- Supporter Bushclass I

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    Haha, I have the shirt option, yes!

    One RUK Dry 50L and the kitchen goes in an FSS pack. Hopefully.

    If the new bag is a no show then I'm going into trash bags and a parachute carry bag. No portage this time around so I can be super lazy.
     
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    I'm sure glad you're going,,, not jealous at all,,, nope,,, not a bit... ;-)
     
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    NevadaBlue Graybeard Supporter Bushcraft Friend Bushclass I

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    Looks adequate. :rolleyes:

    I did see the pipe and tobacco, but missed the medicinal alcohol. :oops: Well, maybe that goes with the bacon and coffee in the food supplies. :p
     
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  9. CivilizationDropout

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    The kitchen is packed when the jerky is done and the food bought.. :D

    The kitchen holds the 'biological systems cleaning liquid".
     
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    Looking good. Can’t wait to see the trip report.
     
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    Wishing you a good time young fellar. joe
     
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    Of course, silly me... the medicinal alcohol goes in the First Aid Kit section. :p
     
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    You really don’t realize how much stuff you got until you write it all down. Have a good safe travel.
     
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    Will do, thank you. Smoke will be lifted for our friends. THANK you.

    :D

    Try not to go too green...

    Thanks! I'll make it a good one!

    Well, whippersnapper, if you've got the money honey... come in up and you can sit front seat. (Unless you're bigger than me and somehow I doubt that..)

    Thanks for the wishes Joe.

    Medicine is only used in dire need, people need to clean things every day..

    :50:

    You're telling me! I thought laying it all out was bad... :eek:

    Thanks everyone!
     
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    Have a safe and adventure filled trip! I am jealous, for sure...! Need me a canoe.

    Be well on the trip, enjoy, catch fish, and come back safe. Looking forward to the TR.

    I think I have found us a spot we can do stuff with @alukban on the Bigelow...!
     
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    CivilizationDropout -MOA #17- Supporter Bushclass I

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    I need a new one, where I want to be my Aluminum battleship will be a pain. I'm thinking of listing it and using funds to offset a lighter boat.

    I will be up earlier than the rest chasing blue lines!

    Nice!
     
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    Do tell brother!! :50:
     
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    Good luck bro, hope its an awesome
    Trip
     
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    You forgot 3 things! Spare whitey tighties, fillet knife, and the kitchen sink!
     
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    I gues we wait...

    Thank you! I just have to get through the week...

    3 things?
    Item 1: do you know what a grunt roll is?

    Item 2: I'm bringing a....:13:....

    ..........Finn knife...:14:

    Item 3: I pack that later in the week...:rolleyes:
     
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    Nice! Great to see the gear all laid out and ready. I love the process of carefully preparing everything to go. It is amazing all the individual items we take when you count them all out. Makes me want to go along too! Hope you have an awesome trip.

    Take good car of yourself and enjoy your time on the water and in camp!

    :38:
     
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    Primordial MOA #40 Supporter Bushcraft Friend

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    I love a good gear pile. Going through gear and panning what you need is half the fun!

    I thought that's what you do after you lose your balance off of a grunt pole while trying to pinch a loaf.
     
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    Sounds like a great trip. While not designated in writing as the trip leader, you are their leader. They are lucky to have some one with your experience. Have a great time and safe travels.
     
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    @CivilizationDropout , Outstanding Post . A large PORTAGE dry bag would have been awesome . Be safe water temps still very low easy to get HYPOTHERMIA!!! Pics Pics and Fish ! Enjoy well needed:dblthumb:
     
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    Greetings,

    Meticulous studying of your photos is a necessity, to copy your approach! :D

    Preparation is half the fun, are you having some? I know i had some reading through your thread! :p

    Enjoy the trip, cook some fish and paddle away! :dblthumb:

    Regards,

    Christos
     
  27. CivilizationDropout

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    I have to admit, I'm a bit curious about the opinions on the pile from you and some other more experienced paddlers. Like @Bobsdock, @HeadyBrew or yourself.

    Culling the unneccesary gear is a big part of the fun, I'm going to prolong the packing over this week. There's nothing worse than being all dressed up with nowhere to go.. I'll put the final pieces in place Thursday night.

    :eek::eek:

    A grunt roll, AKA ranger roll, AKA skivvy roll is a compact set of one change for your skivvy layer (i.e. Socks, t-shirt and underwear)

    Exhibit A.)
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    (This is not my photograph or 'How-To', my rolls are not so lopsided... I've heard @MrFixIt can make a grunt roll out of chainmail)

    Thank you, I can't wait for early Saturday morning.. I happen to know the plan is to carouse late into the evening, so while they're sleeping it off I'll be looking up those streams for trout.

    This is what I'm waiting on;
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    Hopefully it arrives in time!

    I will be careful, as well as take a lot of picture!

    I certainly am, still tweaking bits and pieces and hoping late hour arrivals are on time!!

    Thanks boys.
     
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    MrFixIt Old Jarhead Supporter Bushcraft Friend

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    I have some chainmail from my SCA days...I'll need to dig that out.

    :eek:

    :4:
     
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    Primordial MOA #40 Supporter Bushcraft Friend

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    Interesting!
     
  30. CivilizationDropout

    CivilizationDropout -MOA #17- Supporter Bushclass I

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    I add a bandana to each of mine, and it's my preferred way to pack my body layer. Truth be told I'm bringing two as coverage and wearing the third in on the first day. (But I couldn't admit that to @Youcantreadinthedark, he still thinks I'm fancy...)
     
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    Awesome! Looking forward to the TR!
     
  32. CivilizationDropout

    CivilizationDropout -MOA #17- Supporter Bushclass I

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    I can't wait to swing that Bad Axe in those big woods..
     
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    Looks like a solid gear up, have a great time!
     
  34. CivilizationDropout

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    Thanks! I'm really looking forward to it..
     
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    Looks like a solid kit with all the bases covered well. Some redunancy, but that is fine when boating. Im guessing you might be feeling a little more responsibility as the more experienced person. Been there. Sometimes I toss a few extra things like an knit hat or gloves or extra cordage for others when it's like that. Maybe extra repair stuff in case less well thought out gear breaks. Good duct tape works better for me than electrical tape and can be a bandage. YMMV.

    You may have this already, but one thing I do when paddling is have a lighter and a fire starter with me always in a small belt pack that has a few personal items (no pockets in my drysuit). I use a bic in one of those exotac covers and the old wax and sawdust in the egg carton starter myself, but something that will get a fire going easily and for sure when the chips are down, maybe it's raining and you've dumped in the drink, or a group member is too cold...

    As much as I love and practice flint and steel and friction, hypothermia is no joke and there are times when you just need flames right now. I see you have fat wood, so that would probably do it. I also keep a spare of these 2 items in my FAK.

    As far as general philosophy, I always start my packing with shelter. I imagine being hunkered down in the toughest conditions expected. Like sick or injured in the cold rain. Am I covered? Sleeping bag, pad, tent, tarp, poles, pegs, line...warm layers. If I am set for that, then I am covered for most everything else. Then I look at food and kitchen stuff cause that takes some prep time and shopping usually. If I am paddling, I have a boat gear checklist. Then I add in the 10 essential type gear. This takes less thinking usually since mine is mostly ready to go all the time. Then I think about any other activities I might be doing (fishing, carving, climbing etc..) and then add some extra clothes.

    I have a master check list I always use for a week plus kayak trip. Checklists are key for me. That has certain items that are marked for basic needs just for a day trip. I use this for regular camping trips too, just ignoring the paddle gear. I will dig that out and post it sometime.

    Last word: Ibuprofen!

    Keep your tinder dry,

    :38:
     
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    Getting closer to go time on your trip! I can feel the excitement. I get the same way when I get about a month out from departure date. I actually try not to think too much about it until about that time otherwise it’s all I can think about, and I do still have to get some work done.

    You asked for my thoughts - I think you’re in great shape personally. Definitely got all your bases covered and I can’t think of anything that I’d consider critical that you’re missing. Only thing I bring that I didn’t see: a pad w/backrest for your canoe seat. I have this:

    Crazy Creek Products Canoe III Chair, Taupe https://www.amazon.com/dp/B018XOLTW2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_vWQhBbFG3EQCW

    Gives some back support and easily be taken off and used in camp. You’re sit pad will work kneeling if you decide to. For me, the change in position and posture by getting on my knees periodically gives a lot of relief to my back after a while.

    Were it me, I’d say you’re running a bit heavy with some duplicates and more clothes than I’d bother with. Sidebar, I hate taking hoodies on trips. I love to wear them but they are probably the least packable clothing item there is. Anyways, if you’re not portaging then it’s practically a non-issue and you’ll be well prepared to keep some of your less experienced friends comfortable. But I think you’ll be surprised when you get back and evaluate to see how much you actually didn’t use or need.

    Man, enjoy your trip. I’m excited for you, it’ll be a great time. This years canoe trip is not till August for me this year so I’m trying not to think too much about it. Another month and I’ll be firing up the dehydrator and starting the serious prep. Of course as you have me thinking about it, I do have some things I need to buy though that I should probably order so they’re here in time....
     
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    "Good duct tape works better for me than electrical tape and can be a bandage. YMMV."

    I have a pill bottle in my IFAK with 6' of thick duct tape, electrical tape is for straps, loose gear, misc. and is a good burner (with the baby Bic in the camelbak where the tape rides)

    "have a lighter and a fire starter with me always"

    My EDC will be in my pocket, there is a baby Bic and a ferro there, the bottom left frame has an orange handled ferro that rides in the PFD pocket with a wet fire.

    "Last word: Ibuprofen!"

    In the IFAK.

    Thank you, I appreciate the insights. It adds that satisfaction of knowing you're not too paranoid about having a fire source.

    Thanks brother!
     
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    I have an older style "stadium" style screw down seat it the garage, it's for my wife because I'm too tall for the backrest portion, it digs right in.

    I will definetly be employing the low and high kneeling, I'm not fidgety, BUT I like to shift position as often as I feel like.

    I see your point on the hoody, I've been debating pulling it altogether. But I also see your point in having it on hand for a loaner.
    No portage this rodeo, portage is a major reason why the Adirondack idea I had was summarily executed right out of the gate.

    I wish I had ordered the dry bag earlier, I checked today and it looks like it's being delivered the day I'm on the water. Oops. Looks like I'm using contractor bags and lining my pack.

    Bright side though, I can fit all of my personal stuff in the continental ruck, minus sleeping bag and tent. That goes in my parachute bag with everyone else's. I'm playing pack barge because the boys are all using kayaks.

    Thank you for your insight and opinion, don't go too crazy waiting for august!
     
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    Looks like it'll be an epic trip brother. Have fun and stay safe. Also, I'm glad you marked the "TP". Don't want anyone getting confused... :3:
     
  40. CivilizationDropout

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    I'm not going to name names because it will make me liable, but I've had people throw that bag away thinking it was trash or something.

    As forrest said; "it happens" ;)
     
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    Looks like an excellent pack list for the weekend escape on the water.

    I love looking at gear pics and comparing to mine. I also find something I forget or didn't think about. But I also see stuff I never leave home without.
     
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    Grocery shopping and choring tomorrow, food prep and camp kitchen packing Wednesday.
     
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    Looks like a great gear list with lots of fun bushcrafty items. That SOl dry Ruk looks awesome, I checked them out before and they look nice. Please let us know how u like it. I googled that tarp, it looks good great. I love a 10 X 10 set up near the fire to sit under in my camp chair and bush craft under. So much fun to hang out under it in a down pour. In the cool weather and wind I like to carry a light hooded shirt to cover my ears, light neoprene shorts a dry top and thin pile sweater and anything smartwool.

    My life jacket has a pocket, and so does my dry top for needed essentials for warmth in case I get separated from my gear as well as a whistle. Much like @Red Yeti 's fire starting kit.

    I usually pack my tent and tarps and sleeping bag in separate dry bags. I have used a sleeping bag and fire to rescue a hypothermic kayaker in Colorado, on the Delores many years ago. She was so cold she kept flipping so a group of us layed back and got her warmed up till she could paddle again.

    My husband likes to carry his dutch oven and cook some good grub on the fire... for him it's about being the camp hero with good hot food. My husband and my daughter just got off a week long trip on the Allagash in Maine. He said the water didn't seem that cold, but they weren't swimming in it either.Wish I could have gone but my work wont let me split for 2 weeks in a row.... Oh well maybe next year.

    Cheers. Have a blast!

    Something you said made me think about a throw rope. You have one? Good to have on any boating trip though they rarely get used.
     
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    Itching to paddle too! But cant get out on the water till end of july.:(

    Have a nice trip!
     
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    Providing the pack arrives in time I will post up a review. I looks like a good piece of gear for a great price. I'll find out eh?
    The aquaquest is the guide version, I forgot to mention that.
    For this trip I have everyone's gear in tehe canoe, so all the sleeping bags and tents are secured in my big parachute bag.
    I have a cast iron skillet from @svh tgat will be in the kitchen, but I'm refraining from bringing anything heavier than that. As said already no portage means I'm tempted to go loco and bring a ton of fun.

    I would love an Allagash trip, I've never been but always hear awesome things.

    I don't have a dedicated throw rope for the boat, but I have an 18' nylon web rachet (1" wide) that I use for a bow line and a hank 20'+ of 550 that will be to hand.

    Thanks for looking!

    Hang in there man!

    Thanks for looking everyone.
     
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    Had fun reading and looking through your kit.

    Generally throw ropes float and are polypropylene about 60 feet long 3/8 to 1/2 inch thick. You might want to make or buy one when you do bigger water. You might want to see if any of the kayakers has one they can carry.

    You probably know this, but I'd stay close to shore if you can for the most part. Flipping out in the open water with a bunch of gear would be a drag, especially if you only have kayaks with you for back up.

    Bon Voyage
     
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    Marinated the steak and into the freezer yesterday;

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    Started assembling the kitchen;

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    The 50L dry bag and the 2L, 4L and 8L bags showed up today;

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    More later or tomorrow depending on my free time..
     
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    Story time.
    I used to do a lot of float trips in the Missouri Ozarks. I had a box that much of my gear went in. It was fiberglass, some sort of military comm gear came in it originally. It was surprisingly lightweight and strong. The top half was attached to the bottom half with a gasketed frame and strong twist grip locks. That thing was perfect. It fit between the gunwales of the canoe perfectly and would float if there was an upset. On the gravel bar, it was a perfect seat height too. Have no idea where that went, lost somewhere. For lake trips and float trips it was envied by my friends. I carried my camera and other important stuff in an ammo can that was tied to a thwart so it couldn’t be lost.
     
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    I never thought to, but my frequent paddling partner started bringing a simple 5 gal bucket on trips with us a couple years ago. I never realized something so simple could be so useful.

    It’s an obvious waterproof, rigid container, a chair, a “bear/vermin bag” when hung; the lid works as an all purpose plate for eating, cleaning fish, a hard surface for Yahtzee, a fan for the fire, and a host of other uses.

    I’ll now be bringing my own that I got all set up for this years trip.

    Edit: I don’t know why some pics just show as links when I quote them. If it doesn’t show for others, the white squarish pail is what I was referring to.
     
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