Discussion in 'General Bushcraft Discussion' started by MrFixIt, Jul 9, 2019.
Glad you're OK brother, stay safe.
You might want to try modifying the environment to reduce heat stress and fatigue. A golf umbrella could be carried in your service truck to provide shade. A moving blanket could be put down on a hot surface, pavement or roof, to reduce radiant heat. A portable shade canopy is pretty cheap and commonly available. When working on road construction and mining machines in Wyoming we carried tarps and propane heaters to allow us to work in the winter. A common trick was to tent the machine with a military surplus parachute and run the propane heater under the chute.
That squares with my personal experience with heat exhaustion, although the ingestion of ye olde salt tablets seemed to prevent its occurrence. They've long since been discredited, to the point one can't find them.
Oral rehydration salts, properly dissolved and used carefully, can work as an ongoing preventive measure. So can the old "shock solution" composed of 1/3 teaspoon each of salt and baking soda, dissolved in a quart of water. A little bit of sugar also seems to help, but don't overdo it.
According to personal experience, it is possible to slowly rebuild one's tolerance/resistance , over a long period of time.
Very glad you are OK @MrFixIt .
Heat exhaustion/stroke are nasty business.
Glad you're okay, sir! I keep some pedialyte electrolyte powder or powerade ION4 electrolyte powder packets in my kit, throw a couple in water and it'll help rehydrate real quick. I've also seen pro athletes add packets to an existing sports drink to really crank the rehydration ability. It's all about adjusting the osmotic balance/salt content in your bloodstream and getting fluid to enter cells instead of leave it.
BTDT... Last summer I allowed myself to get to run down to the point of kidney failure. This heat is evil stuff. We as a society have acclimated ourselves to air conditioning. Doc says I have to drink no less than a gallon of water everyday, more if I am doing anything strenuous (like getting out of the recliner).
I spent $200 for a phase change cooling vest (fancy ice pack that one wears) so I don't overheat mowing the grass. I've been putting in T-posts for a horse paddock this week. Not long ago I would have had them all done in one day. I've gotten 7 a day so far. I have 4 left, hope to get them in this evening as it wont get any better until November or so....
DON'T stay thirsty, my friends!
Stop that! There is shade to be sat in and cool lemonade to be sipped!
No need to get all hot and gritty!
As Foghorn Leghorn would say, "That boy's like taxes, he just don't know when to stop."
I took it easy today. It was pretty much overcast but the humidity was still high.
Sometimes that getting out of the recliner can be a chore for sure
The last time I busted a bead I was simply trying to stand up! lol
Hey, JD, do youse have osmotic balance down their in GA?
Heck, I'm in PA and I'm not sure we have it
Yes, definitely take it easy. Though the day must be pretty much done for you? It's pretty darn hot up north too. I've been working in a basement all day and it's just as hot inside as it is outside.
Been home for about an hour, so other than household chores I’m done.
Actually sitting out on the patio having a cold beer and watching a passing rain shower...
I am a carpenter and I still do this at least once a year. I should learn.
It sux to grow old ------ until one considers the only alternative!
There you go, trying to be perfect again!
I don't mind getting old, it is my body falling apart that I don't like.
In stead of the golden years, I have begun to call them the composting years.
It is what it is, all us old folks have to make the best of it.
Haha it sounds like some hippy dippy thing but it just comes from the word "osmosis. It's how water moves in and out of your cells to maintain an optimal level, from a dilute solution (more water, less electrolytes) toward a more concentrated solution (less water, more electrolytes).
If you get dehydrated you lose electrolytes (salts, basically) and that makes it harder for your body to regulate how much water is going into or out of your cells. That's why sports drinks always advertise about electrolytes. It's about osmosis.
Be careful out there Mr F. We want to see you around here for many years to come.
You can get heat exhaustion and it may not just this kind of weather. I was filling in at a different store in our company when a man came in who had been playing b-ball at a local gym. I first found him laying on the terra cotta tiles on the floor, asking for ice. We called 911 while I sat with him, giving him water, cool rags, and ice. He was stubborn, wanting to get up and leave, but didn't let him. Even the EMT's had to be firm with him that they were taking him for a checkup. It was a warm-ish February day. Seems he overdid things playing ball, and did not drink nearly enough.
I've been there, and I can tell that when the heat and humidity rise my body is affected. Lots of water and juice, slow down what I'm doing, and do less of it.
I am sure we all know the importance of staying hydrated and consuming electrolytes. A REALLY GOOD source of electrolytes is coconut water. Just looking at a 16.2 fluid ounce can I have here shows it has 100 milligrams of sodium and 800 milligrams of potassium.
Sometimes, when I'm thristy, I get this really strong craving for coconut water. I always feel well hydrated after drinking it. Now I know why!
I'm glad that was answered below. I had no idea what osmotic balance was...
Heat up a the real deal. Take care of yourself and thank you for the reminder.
Stay safe out in this heat. I know GA isn't much different from over here and its miserable here in N AL. I'm lucky that I work mostly inside, but its a struggle not to sweat through my clothes just walking across the campus to our other buildings.
Yeah, not something that typically comes up in casual conversation
here in North Central FL yesterday, it was 97F, with a heat index of over 110. Nothing unusual, and I have seen worse this summer. I try to get all chores done early, wear the proper clothes for the season, start, and stay hydrated, and know when to get inside. Dog days of summer indeed. It will be months and months before we get any relief.
I definitely think there is a genetic influence to this... both sides are basically Scandinavian. I think anything over 70 is too hot. Add humidity.... forget it! The flip side... I can be outside in shorts and no jacket easily into the 40's if not 30's as long as little wind. I last suffered heat exhaustion while driving my Model-T in the middle of a July 4th parade a couple of years ago.... started to pass out as I was driving. Somehow made it through the parade route and home... not really sure how, and I had gatorade and water with me the whole time. This year's fourth was pretty hot here... I didn't drive in the second parade because I was already feeling it after the first one.
Get one of those big beach umbrellas for shade. You'd be surprised how much they help.
I was working in an attic all day Thursday doing an ac change out. I used my IR thermo and it was 140 in there. I felt like I was dying and started vomiting after about eight hours up there, then my knees buckled and I hit the ground. Been feeling like crap all weekend and now I’ve got to go do the same thing today
You should see a doctor friend.
Age isn't always a factor. The one time I can remember getting hit with heat exhaustion was back in my mid-20's. I had just gotten out of the AF after having been stationed at Barksdale AFB, LA. After three years working on the flightline, you'd think I would have been able to handle a little Ohio heat. Nope. Had gone down to the Chillicothe Bike Rodeo with my buddy and a bunch of friends/family. They used to run a local street rod club so they had one of those BIG canvas circus tents. We were in the middle of setting up and I started feeling woozy. Can't remember if it was my friends Dad or Mom that noticed but they made me stop, sit down, and drink. Still nearly passed out, was still out of it enough that I might as well have been passed out. Thankfully I was recovered enough by the next morning to enjoy a long weekend of bikes, burnouts, and ta-ta's.
Dang you really think so?
Yes, I know first hand the after effects of heat related injuries.
When things got into the 100s and work still had to be done I have a patio free standing umbrella to put over my work . it is easy enough to move around and put away one can not put their health aside for a job , no job pays enough to compromise you heath.
Glad you are okay. I can sympathize. I live in the Midlands of SC. It's like a bowl here which just holds humidity all the time. It's not abnormal for the humidity to be very close to the temperature in the summer times. Parts of S. GA and N. FL are the closest hot I've come to being here. It's just miserable hot.
I used to work managing some hunting property and me and another guy would guzzle water all day and never pee. We sweated out more than our kidneys could process coming in. I've had the chills and stopped sweating before and knew I was too hot. Seems to happen more and more since that time, but I know the signs now so I quit way sooner. Plus I am getting old and getting old sucks!
Used to work with a guy who was from elsewhere in Dixie. He hated it here. Said it was the only place he'd ever been where the temperature is 100, the humidity is 100, and it ain't raining! Ha! Djibouti hot!
Glad you're ok. It's nothing to mess with, and for some people it seems like once they have a bad case of heat exhaustion or heat stroke, they are more susceptible to it.
Lots of comments here about drinking enough. And it's true--dehydration does contribute to heat exhaustion or worse. But when it is hot, it is still possible to overheat while being sufficiently hydrated, especially if you are active, or in enclosed spaces with limited air flow.
Yeah I drank about two gallons of water on Thursday, still fell out. Hot is hot, doesn’t matter if you’re hydrated
Darn good reminder... feel better!
I know the feeling. As a truck driver there have been summer days that the outdoor temps were cooler than in the cab. Those don't suck and the ac only keeps the cab from reaching baking temps.
I can say this with absolute certainty: Rooftop AC units suck!
I just got back to the office and my clothes are soaked.
It's been mentioned by some that using an umbrella or sunshade is advisable but when you are climbing up a ladder you don't want any unnecessary trips up and down.
Now if y'all will excuse me, I need to drink something...
Working on an RTU right now. Sucks carrying the whole truck up a ladder
Be careful brother.
Too hot. . .
I agree 100%. You're just asking for trouble, if you keep getting overheated, like that.
Along the lines of hydration, please be careful not to over hydrate. YES, it is possible. If you do so you will experience a condition called hyponatremia, where your blood's sodium levels are diluted. During my first deployment to Iraq we were building sandbag guard positions on top of the buildings of our outpost. Someone had the brilliant idea for us to fill sandbags during the day within the walls of our compound and then build the actual positions under the cover of night. Yes, that seemed like a good idea but shoveling sand and filling THOUSANDS of sandbags in the Iraq sun in June was a bad idea. I knew I would have to stay hydrated, so I made sure to constantly drink water. Soon, I started to get a headache (which I knew is a sign of dehydration) so I started to increase my intake of water. I then started to feel nauseous. MORE WATER. Eventually I was feeling quite weak and confused. That is when I went to find one of our medics. He asked if I had been drinking water. I said yeah all day. After a bit of testing he determined I drank too much water. It is dangerous and if left unchecked in severe cases may lead to death. So, make sure along with fluid uptake you are replenishing your salts as well.
When I was an Infantry Basic Officer Leaders Course instructor at Fort Benning Georgia we would issue our students a product called Ceralyte to mix with their water. It is by far the best electrolyte replacement I have ever used. There have been times I was fully in the grips of dehydration and I would drink some and feel better a lot faster than you think you should. Another good electrolyte replacement that I like to use in the field is a product called Nuun it is a tablet that you dissolve in your water. Plus it comes in a handy tube so it is easy to keep in your pack.