I may have goofed. Is this poison sumac?

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    I came across this sapling over the winter with a sweet sweet spiral .About 15ft tall and straight. There was another of the same ttpe but shorter . I wanted to make a hiking stick so I cut the the sapling .Peeled the bark and stuck it in the rafters .

    Last week I smoothed it abit and its coming along nicely .

    I wanted to see what kinda tree it was so I went back and used the Audubon online ID thing and it said ash.

    I'm really bad at tree ID but its sibling is lookin like a sumac to me .

    I see no fruits forming .And all the staghorn here have some fruit forming .

    Any help is appreciated .
    Thank you in advance. 20180523_105622.jpg 20180523_105646.jpg
     
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    almost certainly not ash and almost certainly a sumac. I would say smooth sumac. I think poison sumac has white berries. Staghorn has fuzzy stems and twigs. Any rash?
     
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    Well here's the kicker. The twist was caused by poison ivy! So I did get a bit of a rash on my hands but it was minor . I had a spot on my shin where I was resting the stick as I was smoothing. BUT. That was where the twist is.

    Ill watch the plant for fruit as time goes on
     
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    If the leaf stems or twigs have a red tinge it’s probably poison sumac
     
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    like this? 20180523_143401.jpg
     
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    I should add, if those leaves are not serrate, and instead smooth but wavy.... you’ve got a hand full of poison sumac
     
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    Yea I wouldn’t chance that one. Smooth sumac is usually pretty serrated those are smoother.
     
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    Thanks. I'll ditch the stick and go with maple
     
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    poison sumac in Illinois grows in or very close to waters edge.
     
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    white fruit is poison sumac, red tinge does not mean poison sumac
     
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    poison sumac leaves are smooth ALL along the edge unlike the base of those leaves
     
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    yes, here in ny its rare for that reason....it grows in swamps and bogs only
     
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    Thank you mugsy:)
     
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    Well .Here's what I'm gonna do .

    The tree is in the back lot at work so I'll watch for fruits and the seed pods of the tree of heaven.

    Then when they pop if I remember .I'll update!

    The stick is in the rafters and can wait till its confirmed .

    The area has a river a few hundred yards away and the tree is along a rock cliff that has a water drip along the rocks.
     
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    What would smell. The plant in general. Do I need to break some?
     
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    Looks like staghorn sumac to me. But I’m no pro.
     
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    Smells like peanutbutter!

    Also has the small glands under the leaf by the base next to the wavy part!

    Tree of heaven confirmed!

    Thanks guys (or gals) thia was really fun !
     
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    Looks like Tree of Heaven to me.

    Edit - looks like you guys already beat me to it.
     
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    The bark of the Tree of Heaven is as good as Birch bark for fire starting. Scout the area for dead limbs 1-2" diameter and peel the bark off and give it a try.
     
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    will do .

    :dblthumb:
     
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    staghorn leaves are serrated along entire edge
     
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    So here it is. Dryed nicely. Zero splitting on the ends.
    I peeled the bark when it was green and have been smoothing it for an hour or so. Cut and rough trim with GB Hunters Axe .Did all the work today with a SAK .

    Need to do the twist but that section is suprisingly hard .

    The stick is just under 6ft. Suprisingly lightly and springy .

    Im thinking I'll just oil it when I'm done .I dont have BLO but I do have a very old bottle of olive oil thats saved for lamp oil.

    My first piece of wood I've ever worked .Very satisfying
     
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    Very nice, did it have a vine wrapped around it to cause the twist or did you carve it?
     
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    that is nice, i'd give it some time to dry some more before oiling it not sayin dont use it, just dont oil it yet
     
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    Thanks!
    Poison Ivy is what made the twist which is what added a bit of confusion cause I did get a rash when I stripped it but only the spot on my leg where the twist sat.

    Thanks!
    Its still a bit tacky after I scraped it so I was gonna wait till its bone dry.



    Eta. As a bonus Ive been able to find both smooth sumac and juvenile tree of heaven growing in the same area and did a positive ID on both
     
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    I know its too late but, my tree guide says that poison sumac sap turns black on exposure to air(about an hour). Looks like its the urushiol oil which is common to poison ivy and poison oak as well. So this is a good tip for the future.
     
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    Interesting fact, the non native tree of heaven was successional to the loblolly pines here in Georgia. The Loblollies are everywhere now and feed our paper mills.
     
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    About this time, at least in RI, the Tree-of-heaven is fruiting. It has kind of rust-colored samaras (kind of like winged maple seeds). The best way to ID tree-of-heaven is that the leaf scars are HUGE.

    Incidentally, for you trivia buffs, the Tree-of-heaven was the tree growing in Brooklyn in the book "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn." They basically grow anywhere - cracks of pavement, toxic landfills, etc.
     

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