IBS sufferers...HELP

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  1. RangerJoe

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    I'm having a really bad attack, it started after I got back from a backpacking trip, I honestly thing eating Mountainhouse 2 days in a row triggered it.
    what meds/ foods, anything helps you? any advice is welcome..I have watched youtube videos until my eyes bled...my Dr. is useless.
    My bum bum hates me...
    Thanks.
    Joe.
     
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    Bennefiber is all I've found that helps. You need to get a lot of soluble fiber and that's the best and fastest way to do it. Most other fiber products are insoluble fiber, which is what causes your attacks. Bennefiber is soluble fiber.
     
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    The Kraken is suppose to fix that
     
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    I dealt with IBS for 40 years. Turns out I was gluten intolerant. Stopped eating wheat products. My life is much better now.
     
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    Joe have you tried Probiotics? I never had issues but a friend of mine swears they helped him out with IBS.
     
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    For what it's worth, a temporary helper may be buttermilk. My dad used it for ulcers which can trigger similar discomfort. And it's not a medicinal product that can be accidentally abused.
     
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    Dude... that really sucks. Until i figure out what i can and cant eat, i am in the same boat as you Joe. I will be fine for a week, then something will trigger it, and i will feel hot lava guts for 2-5 days. It really blows. I have some pills the doctor gave me, but they make me super tired, so i can only take them after my workday is done. I am gonna try to eat chicken, rice, veggies, peanut butter and jelly, and cereal (almond milk) for a few weeks in a row and see if that works. If it does, just slowly add more foods back into the diet.

    Hope you figure it out, too. Its a cruddy thing to deal with. Good luck man.
     
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    Greek yogurt or like product , this was told to me by nurse practitioner seem to settle things down.
     
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    Thanks guys, some good suggestions...
    I went stricktly gluten free for 3 years, it was no help...
     
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    My guess is that puddle you filled up in. Tablets/drops aren't terribly effective on water with particles in it. +1 On the digestive enzymes and fiber...changed my life! If I gotta stop it now, cheese sticks and crackers do fair job of plugging the leak. You also might try flushing your system with some vinegar.
     
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    I'm going to look into this. Thank you.
     
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    Sauerkraut and Portuguese sausage should help :)
     
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    are you saying that you think the puddle caused the flare up, or that the water got me sick because it wasn't treated properly?, thanks.
     
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    have you looked into the eastern practice of qi gong exercise. I dont have experience with IBS but have found there is a qi gong exercise for everything, and most of the time it helps.

    For example after a shoulder dislocation I picked up tendon ne kung which is a qi gong for ligaments and tendons. Helped alot.

    the body and mind are the best medication, just like the best weapon is a trained soldier.

    [video=youtube;Vrh8IGWaez4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrh8IGWaez4[/video]
     
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    It's not the water.
     
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    Yogurt works for me.....alcohol makes it worse :-(
     
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    Could be a different food allergy. These are the most common; known as the big 8
    •eggs.
    •fish.
    •milk.
    •nuts from trees (including hazelnuts, walnuts, almonds, and Brazil nuts)
    •peanuts (groundnuts)
    •shellfish (including shrimps, mussels, and crab)
    •soya.
    •wheat

    Might be worth a try to eliminate them one at a time for a couple of weeks see if that helps.

    Oh and just to be bushcrafty: Mors Kochanski says that eating garlic will kill all the bad fauna in your gut. Swallow a clove with the skin on so it will get to the colon, peel and swallow so it will get to the small intestines, and chew it (really nasty) so it digests in the stomach. Then you start with yogurt and probiotic to rebuild the good bacteria. (he also warns that you'll have some really nasty farts for the next 72 hrs doing this)

     
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    You might want to make sure your iliocecal valve (google it) is working properly. Some massage can help, then the probiotic recommendations given earlier are good advice. If you have taken cipro anytime in the last few years...it wreaks havoc on your gut biology.
     
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    My daughter has a similar problem, not fully diagnosed yet (could be IBS, Colitis or a couple of similar things I cant remember the names of!). So while she is in the process of going thro tests etc at the hospital, her GP (General Practitioner, local quack ) suggested she try using the FODMAP diet and it does seem to have at least quietened down many of her problems. So may well be worth trying for yourself, just google "FODMAP diet" or try this link http://www.ibsdiets.org/fodmap-diet/fodmap-food-list/. She was told to follow this diet fairly strictly for 6 weeks and then start adding the "things to avoid" back into her diet one at a time and see what things set off her problems again, thus giving her an idea of what caused her issues and so what to avoid in future.

    Hope this helps a bit and that you feel better soon.

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    I feel your pain man. I've had chrons since 05. Nothing seems to make it better but time. Lots of things make it worse though. Anything with peelings such as potatoes , tomatoes, apple peelings, etc. make me cramp pretty bad.
     
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    Take the Metamucil challenge; it will change your life. Or benefiber, or probably any other fibery-type supplement. I have found that when I take a fiber supplement regularly, it fixes all kinds of diet issues.

    Good luck,
    Jeff
     
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    with things like metamucil/bebefibre, don't you get bad gas?, that is my issue, painful gas, and a lot of it...today it happened before I even ate anything.
     
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    Another vote for yoghurt. I have an Activia each day and while it hasn't completed solved my problem, it has made things much, much better. I still, unfortunately, cannot dance like the lady in their commercials.
     
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    best advice yet.
     
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    Hi there,
    this is something i have way to much experience. this is what worked for me, you may have to feel your guts out each case is different.
    things to avoid:
    acidic stuff: vinegar, tomatoes must go. red hot sauce and red salsa (green sauce and green salsa ok.)
    very salty stuff: over salted things, switch to smoked foods over salted. salami works for me but something like straight salt pork floors me.
    overly greasy, oily and fatty stuff: an example would be the cheap cans of corned beef hash. that and spam hits me hard, its salted and loaded with fats.
    fried stuff: unless your wife makes it for you for an anniversary and your not leaving home, BIG NO. pan roasting with a thin coat of coconut oil. No Crisco, olive oil etc.
    this is going to take a bit of experimentation to feel it out but you will figure out what works and what does not. Having a a less acidic diet and cut down on the really greasy foods is what worked for me and i learned to control it. there was a time i could not be 20 yards from a bathroom for two weeks on a few occasions.

    so recovery. If by accident you have an attack there are methods to recover. unfortunately it takes 2 or 3 days from a really bad one, a minor one may take an afternoon if you are lucky.
    raw ginger root chewed not swallowed or crystallized ginger for/if there are stomach issues just to be sure. as for the guts. Greek yogurt, the raw unpasteurized kind filled with all kinds of microscopic wee beasties that are good for your guts. Yakult drinks are good and have a mild flavor to them also handy sizes. also available at any health food store is trifila (also spelled triphala.) this is a blend of herbs, that come in capsules that reset things in the guts.
    you want to give you guts something to work with but as neutral as possible on the PH scale as possible. my Doctor said: yogurt, milk, eggs and cheese are always safe and all of which help to an extent. bread and rice are ok, personally i recommend pita bread. chicken is safe meat during an attack but not cooked in broth or bullion. what worked was boiled chicken with cilantro a bit of onion and basil.
    one of the things is you want to stay clear of gatorade and power aid, the sugar in it infuriates the guts when i have an attack. you want to go with pedialite (children electrolyte beverage.) to replace the things that you are loosing as far as the salts you body needs.
    it will take time to get a routine down but really steer clear of acids and fats mostly. no vinegar! i can not put enough emphasis on that. still you can play around with a diet that works for you and there are things to liven up the menu with out getting rumble bum. good luck my friend.
     
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    I am having similar gut issues today as well. I have been trying to figure it out for three years and I still do not understand my gut issues 100% but I have learned some things about foods over the years. I will list off the foods I try to avoid, but I am not an expert or a Doctor.

    #1 SOY! It is terrible stuff, and Mountain House does contain it. If I ate Mountain House two nights in a row on a 25 mile hike I would likely feel terrible for a week too. From what I read, most soy has been genetically modified, and it contains massive amounts of inflammation causing omega 6. IBS is an inflamed gut, and again omega 6 from soy causes inflammation.

    The really sad thing is that nearly all commercial meats are fed soy, and eating those meats make me feel like hell. Local grass-fed beef and soy-free eggs are my proteins of choice.

    I also avoid many lower quality oils(fats) that are found in nearly all processed foods. Oils such as sunflower, saflower, soy, canola, corn... These oils all contain large amounts of omega 6. I do eat a high fat diet though, mostly fatty cuts of grass fed beef(chuck), grass-fed beef tallow, Norweigien fish oil(liquid oil not pills) soy-free eggs, coconut oil, and tons of extra virgin olive oil.

    In short all I am doing to minimize flare ups is limiting my omega 6 intake, and boosting my omega 3(ALA, CLA, EPA, DHA) intake. You can read up on the "Anti-Inflammatory Diet" or PM me for more info.

    Edited to add- Quality Probiotics are a huge help for me as well.

    I hope your feeling better soon :)
     
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    Here's a couple books that might have some answers for you
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    I never got bad gas, but I know everyone is different. I used the orange powder you mix with water. I am not sure if the other types of fiber would have given me issues, but the Orange powder didn't.
    -Jeff
     
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    What has worked for me...
    1. Go find the BEST Doctor in your area. Never settle for feeling anything less than 100%. With proper care you should feel great.
    2. Get all new tests - blood work, endoscopy.
    2. Maintain all your own files and ask lots of questions at your appointments, do not assume the doctor took time to review your case. Be your own patient advocate!
    3. Avoid all dairy. Avoid beer (drink hard alc or cider if you must). You may not have to go all Gluten free but if you eat a bowl of pasta or a whole pizza that will not help.
    4. Continue to exercise regularly.
    5. Get rest. You just started a skills school, taught your first class and may have had some stress without realizing it. Stress is often the primary trigger for discomfort.
    6. And Stop eating Mountain House! You can handle a few extra pounds in the pack for a great meal.
     
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    Here's my two cents worth based upon 30 years of (bad) experience. Hope it helps. In my case, chemicals like sodium nitrite (in processed meats and sausage, commercial potato/macaroni/coleslaw salads, etc.), trisodium phosphate (yes, that's sold fashioned phosphate detergent, found in processed cheeses, pie filling, and so forth), smoked foods, cured meats and hot chile pepper (it's spelled "chile" in New Mexico; "chili" is a greasy bowl of beans and beef from Texas). I haven't read the ingredients list in Mountain House foods, but look for these chemicals and others. They might be setting you off.

    As far as getting over a bout of IBS... go natural; avoid processed foods. Add Benefiber and/or Metamucil and probiotics as others have suggested.

    Best of luck, and His blessings on you.

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    Albuquerque, Chile Republic of New Mexico
     
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    I battled this for years. Went to the doctors, went to gastro specialist, ran the tests, took the pills, nothing worked. I did my own research and saw that caffeine could cause stomach distress in high dosages.

    I'd drank Dr. Pepper like water since I was a kid so I tried stopping. It was hard, but my stomach problems disappeared.

    Good luck.
     
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    really trifala (triphala) capsules they are cheap and helps. it might be hippy-ish but I have an excuse, I was born in california.
     
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    Maybe a dumb question but could the issue be caused by bad water/girardia?
     
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    What the other posters said about food allergies is true. The most serious offenders are usually dairy, wheat and/or soy.

    You could also have picked up a bug.

    I'm contributing to a thread on what to carry in a spice kit to deal with these types of problems. I refer you to the posts on Oregano Oil.

    Until you can figure out what the source of the problem is, you have to deal with things. I would take the following if it were me:

    1. Oregano Oil (diluted). As described: http://bushcraftusa.com/forum/showthread.php/145545-Spices-That-Can-Serve-Multiple-Purposes/page4?highlight=spices
    I carry it with me in my spice/med kit.

    2. Dr. Christopher's Lower Bowel Formula. It brings you back to balance. It works both ways; i.e.-can't stop or can't go. I would triple the dosage. The one on the side is a daily tonic dose. It's not really meant to deal with an active problem like you are experiencing. I carry it with me in my spice/med kit.

    http://www.betterthangreens.com/Dr-Christopher-s-Lower-Bowel-Formula-100-VCaps/187/

    3. Red Raspberry Leaf Tea. The leaf contains the virtue for use in this situation, not the fruit. I'd drink a lot of it. I also carry it with me. If you can't get the leaves, this also works pretty good (since it contains the leaf):
    http://www.amazon.com/Celestial-Seasonings-Raspberry-Zinger-Bags/dp/B00MN4ECU0/ref=sr_1_2?s=grocery&ie=UTF8&qid=1429748432&sr=1-2&keywords=raspberry+zinger+tea

    You should get relief in short order.

    Good luck.
     
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    No joke, that book is sitting in my bathroom as I write this. Wife bought it as a sort of gag gift one year for a birthday. Its funny and interesting at the same time.

    Sorry for the hijack.

    My father in law has crohn's and my wife has celiac disease (she was gluten free years before it was fashionable). So while I can't offer any suggestions, I will say that I sympathize and hope you get it squared away soon and feel better, Joe.
     
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    Prilosec works wonders for the wife. It reduces the production of stomach acid. No NSAIDS ( Motrin, aspirin, Aleve ), hard on the stomach and digestive track.
     
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    I was diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis about 5 years ago. It really f'ed up my life, with the exception of avoiding dairy and gluten I second all of these and need to stress the first two. If you're having symptoms that are lasting more than a few days or recurring often you need to push your doctor on the issue, trust me. All the probiotics, whole food diets, gluten free diets, dairy free diets, massages, rest and yoga in the world won't help if you don't pin down what's actually wrong. Digestive issues all have very similar symptoms but very different causes. If I could go back in time the first thing I would do is slap myself silly until I went to see a doctor - instead I let it get worse and worse trying all the usual home cures (literally $100s of dollars in probiotics, diets, etc..) until it was barely controllable. I very nearly had to have my large intestine removed - even still there's a good chance it'll be out before I hit 40. Go back to the doctor.
     
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    Do not try stuff like prilosec as noted above, good for GERD, but bad for actually digesting your food normally (increase the pH in your stomach). If it is only a problem when camping and such you probably just need more fiber (as noted above). Also, if the problems are persistent or you are having weight loss or other issues see a GI doctor.
     
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    I will go against some in the crowd here and I hope this does not come off rudely. I have some pretty serious health issues and my most recent fun was finally getting a full round of allergy tests with a specialist to see if any environmental things were related. 150+ needle pokes and two weeks later and several great conversations with the doctor later and I personally am not allergic at all to Gluten or Dairy or Eggs or really anything at all but a pretty common mild dust and pollen allergy. My problems are my two diagnosed things And nothing more. Furthermore half our conversation was about the allergies I was told I might have by armchair folks and how that can be even more harmful to follow their advice. Eat healthy and find what is right for you.

    I know you personally Joe do have diagnosed IBS and need to avoid Gluten especially so not directed at you exactly. I also don't know what may have caused the recent bout at all so I won't say much else guess.. Only reason I comment is to say I hear constantly about what is bad and on and on by people who read articles but...



    Also I really only commented to say thanks for the visual bro! Not! (Probably should have left it at that lol)
     
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    Horse weed, Canadian fleabane.
    Medicinal plant taste a little spicy but good for a lot of digestive issues.
     
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    I can tell you this with 100% certainty because I am medically retired from federal service and a 100% disabled vet due to IBS and other issues stemming from an injury.

    Unless you are having these pain symptoms with periods of alternating diarrhea and constipation over a long a long period of time you probably don't have IBS. That's why it's a syndrome

    If you do have long term effects, I have found a steady daily dose of miralax works well. The VA has prescribed me ducosate and I forget the other to start me and stop me.

    Stress was a huge factor in my triggers. Things have gotten better now to the point I can make outings again. Now some of you guys know why I leave so fast at gtg at times.
     
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    In 1995 when i was 15 i was diegnosed with Ulcerative Colitis. In the 20 years I have had this the one thing I can tell you is listen to your body it will let you know what you should not be eating. But I won't let it keep me out of the woods.

    P.S. Always bring an extra roll of TP.
     
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    Just going off you saying it flared up right after the hike and that puddle water being sketchy. I know you boiled the food water, but the rest of the trip you were just treating the water. The debris in the water can shield a bug from the treatment. Not that you didn't treat it properly, just that something may have piggybacked in that was encapsulated from the treatment. Or it could have just been the MH meals! Either way, sounds like something on the trip gave your IBS a kick start. I feel your pain, but better at home than on the trip. Hope you settle out quickly. That's no fun.
     
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    They kept telling me my daughter had IBS. I kept telling them I did not think so.

    Finally a new Dr. ran a "E. Pylori" (sic?) test and came back positive. She took a 10 day series of the right meds, and problem went away. Only thing is once you get it the anti bodies always make the test come back positive, so you end up having to trust your own feeling and talk with a Dr. who will help you treat it on your own knowledge.

    If you don't fix it, it just keeps on hurting for ever.

    Simple test and if nothing, then at least you eliminate that possibility.]

    Poor kid must have eaten a ton of tums and pepto and all the other things that might help IBS
     
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    H. pylori

    Usually causes gastritis and esophagitis, among other things. :dblthumb:
     
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    Cut out milk if your gassy a day or two and you will know if its lactose intolerance

    Metamucil is magic!

    Any stomach ailment i go right for it, it grabs the junk binds to it and takes it on the way. (from when i eat milk, or have a sour stomach anything its like snake oil for the guts)

    seriously cut out the milk for a day even if you dont try metamucil. (cheese any dairy too)
     
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    I didn't read the whole thread so my apologies if its been said already. I eat naturally fermented veggies (e.g. Kimchi, Bubbies Sauerkraut and pickles) and ginger helps alot too. My pick for ginger is Chimes ginger chews. If you have caps, I'd stay away its pretty sticky. If you do have caps, ginger teas are a good choice.
     
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    The following information is presented for educational purposes. It is not meant to diagnose, prescribe, treat, heal, cure, etc. Consult a physician for medical problems.

    It's a damn shame I feel it necessary to even say this.


    I know that you didn't ask for advice, but I hope that you will indulge me. I like helping people by giving them the information they need to help themselves--but I don't like to meddle. So...

    In addition to all the good stuff you are already doing, you may also wish to avoid soy products. Try to avoid GM foods! To my knowledge, there has been no long term human testing on these products--they simply haven't been out that long. In my opinion, they were put out before such tests were conducted for reasons of profit and control. I would point out that GM is not the same as hybridization. Hybridization has been going on from the beginning of time. A good way to think about hybridization is: red apple + gold apple = red/gold apple. GM is not that. It is created in a lab, at the molecular level--creating things that can't occur naturally. A lot of the GM crops are designed so that the plants produce their own herbicides, pesticides, etc. These are in the plants themselves and wind up in the animals which eat those plants. In turn, when you eat them, all that stuff winds up in you. Sure, they are in low concentrations, but think about the cumulative of eating them day in and day out for years. Think about its likely affects on the beneficial flora in your gut. Many (probably most) of those chemicals on the side of food labels that you can't pronounce are usually corn based. Most corn in the US (except organic, some local crops and Popcorn) is GM.

    Try to eat as wholesome and organic a diet as possible. It has been said that the gut is the source of all disease. I don't know about that, but it is certainly the source of many of them.

    I am sorry to hear this. I know that you had said that you tried many different things. Did you try Dr. Christopher's Lower Bowel Formula? In addition to relief of the immediate poop problems (either stopping or starting), the formula was designed to gently and gradually cleanse the walls of the Lower Bowel and to provide specific nutrients to it. The Formula has been around and helping people for 50 years (or more). The tonic dose on the side for daily use sounds perfect for you. Think about giving it a try for 2 months--I certainly would if I was in danger of having my intestines removed. Its also cheap. You probably only need 3 bottles for two months. Here is some more information for you to start your own research: http://herballegacy.com/Lower_Bowel.html

    Also, consider swapping out your form of caffeine for Red Raspberry Leaf tea. Its been used for centuries for stomach ailments. Red Raspberry Leaf is also a great source of vitamins/minerals and tastes good iced too. The vitamins and minerals will give you the energy boost you need instead of caffeine. If you can afford the carbs, Honey (real honey) makes it taste even better. Its also great if you have a cold or flu. Here is some more info on it: http://herballegacy.com/Red_Raspberry_Corless.html

    I wish you good health.
     
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