If you actually use your knives

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  1. tobiism

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    You will bugger them up. Doesn't matter what steel they are made out of, doesn't matter who made them. Take the time to learn how to fix a buggered up knife so that when that day comes, you can fix them yourself.
    Buggered does not mean broken.
    Oh, and leave the dang knifemakers alone. Not every single ding is a warranty claim
     
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    If you can mod one, you can fix one. Amen.
     
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    I think I missed somthing....but completely agree...I've reground knives to fix my stupi... er mistakes...
     
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    Here here! Fix your own mistakes unless it is obviously a manufacturer defect.
     
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    I think they all ought to be well used, sharpened, retouched and put back in the rotation. Use your tools!

    :38::38:
     
  6. Gruntinhusaybah

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    Other day I was out collecting mule fat, like a dingus I went too low, in a creek bed, and you guessed it! Hit a dang rock!


    With a Jason Knight blade!.......:17:

    10 minutes on the diasharp once I got home and it’s GTG.

    Preach it!
     
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    I cut a pebble in half with the Bowie you made. Thought they were supposed to be able to do that.
     
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    Nonsense! Every custom knife maker should heat treat their steel such that I can baton through a piece of rebar, chop at least 100 ceramic tiles in half, chisel through 3 feet of frozen lake surface, and carve my name into the side of a brick house and still be able to deliver a perfect dry facial shave. Any single nick or dull spot in the blade edge is grounds for a full purchase refund plus a replacement knife and keeping the original including free fully insured international shipping.

    ....or I could just learn how to sharpen a knife (which I did a couple decades ago) and learn the difference between use, abuse, and a manufacturer defect.
     
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    Or buy a Gossman and you can chop chain. ;)
     
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    And 440 steel is still relevant.

    And...
     
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    Hear hear!
    I use my knives.
    Every little bit of damage is a badge of honour that gets slowly fixed.
     
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    Use them? That would mean that I have to get out of my recliner, rummage through boxes, go outside *gasp* and actually cut something?!
    You folks have some radical ideas...
     
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    Is this normal usage or do you think I have a warranty claim? There is some sticky red stuff oozing everywhere. :D

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    Thats Gnasty.
     
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    Dude apply pressure and get to a hospital ASAP!
     
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    Perfectly normal, as long as the blood is not yours!
     
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    Too late. He has already assumed room temperature. Well, actually freezer temperature. :4:

    Yummy, tasty speed goat.
    [​IMG]

     
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    I use them all, except one. My WW2 USMC Gen. 1 Kabar fighting knife. That IS a safe queen.
     
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    Good call. A few years back there was a thread about a missing knife. Somebody was batoning with their custom knife and there was a nail in the log that the tree had grown over. He was unable to fix it and mailed it back to the US for the maker to fix and the package disappeared. If you are careful a 1x30 can fix a knife, but if it is a folder I might recommend a work sharp. I have buggered up some cheaper knives while trying to fix or sharpen a really dull edge.
     
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    I like buying old buggered up knives that have essentially been cast off, and then fixing them up and using them. I have a small collection of Marbles, Remington, Westerns and CASE that fit that bill.
     
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    I do have a few knives I just like looking at.
    I have my work tools too.
    There is a learning curve and breaking a knife is part of that process. I haven't broken a knife in yonks unless from throwing abuse; well not from normal use. Think I've got a little better at judging what a particular knife can do and then not testing it to destruction. Changing from a tough knife to a more delicate knife can cause a problem, but thats lack of thought. I don't often need an extremely tough knife, just a good knife. In the last 30 years knives have got better, from the steel to heat treatment. Occasionally the manufacturers get it very wrong and snap goes the weasel. Over hyped knives done wrong have me annoyed.
    At the end of the day I want a knife to cut, an axe to chop, and a saw to saw. I need to adjust to what that particular tool should be capable off and hope the luck has been built into it to do the job intended for a long time. Maintaining an edge goes with the work and do some work they all need sharpening. I can sharpen well enough for my needs.

    If a knife lasts its should pick up some history. I have a few that have shared my adventure and I'd be sad if they ran out of luck. Lost or broken when the luck runs out. I hope I have the skill now not to overly test the luck, and have the personal administration not to lose one. (Left a good'n on the top of my car this year..silly boy.)
    I have some knives that are 30 years old and still delivering the goods. The odd one was the best of the best 30 years ago. Steel wise they have been left behind in performance terms by some of the super steels. Having said that there are still some old formulas being used now, but at least these are better understood and the heat treat should optimise them. There were some poor knives back then, and annoyingly there are still some made today. I tend to buy those that have a good reputation to start and try to stay away from gimmicks or mass market hyped up things where the money has gone on the promotion rather than steel. I wish I had a few more custom knives, but then knowing the maker is the important bit. Its a trust thing, and the trust to what "luck" has been built in; luck's a two way affair not just stopping with the maker be that custom or factory. You are responsible for your adventure, and the tools there to help you on your ride.

    Anyhow if you need to cut a rock use an angle disc grinder. Why do blades find the only rock in the valley?
     
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    There are times I've started modifying a knife even before I purchased it .
    I have gotten knives/tools that were simply junk to begin with knowing I was going to make something different out of it .
    some stuff merely has parts you buy for something else .
    When steel was rare knives got welded back together or made into something else.
     
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    waita minute.... you cut a pebble in half?
     
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    Also, letting other people use your knives guarantees they'll get messed up. Handle it accordingly.

    I've had friends and my brother use those drag through carbide V sharpeners on my knives. My brother even tried to sharpen the swedge on my Othello Alaskan Trapper.
    My fault for allowing them to use my knives when I knew they didn't know how to properly sharpen a knife, and I didn't tell them to not sharpen after use.
    I just fixed the edges, and left the scars.
     
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    I'm not beyond sending a knife back to mfg or a pro to be cared for. Like Buck for a 110 tip fix, Spyderco for full serration sharpening; you can't beat factory sometimes. Also I've seen a few people with large chips in the blade from batonning which companies like ESEE warranty.

    Part of the reason a lot of people buy certain brands is because the manufacturers warranty. Or they know they can fix a user caused problem even if it costs them some money as in Spyderco/Buck for example.

    Not that you shouldn't take some responsibility in a lot of cases though. Just saying there are more than one circumstances.
     
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    threads like this are odd to me. i'm pretty wide open with how someone else treats their stuff. i have enough on my mind worrying about my own little world..
     
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    ^^^Love this Post^^^
     
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    I don't really care how anyone uses their stuff but it bothers me when someone abuses a tool and expects the maker to fix it.
     
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    It's just food for thought is all
     
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    At least, someone around here uses their knife to cut off leather ferro rod loops.:16:

    I feel really bad that I have a few knifes that look like they have never been used.
     
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    It’s actually my most expensive knives that get used. I definitely have some that have not been used.
     
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    Eek... I like to have at least one knife that is my dedicated loaner. Or at least one that I wouldn't care too much if I never got it back. I've got a couple folders like that, and a fixed blade or two.
     
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    i get that part. just; even on this forum there are folks from all walks of life. some can sharpen, some cant..some probably have done EXACTLY what you stated bothers you. hurt a knife and sent it back for a SPA treatment.. i just never want to single anyone out. i've never walked in their shoes.
     
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    I have loaners of a lot of things including knives .
    Make the person your loaning to believe that what your handing them is a quality tool, not trash. if they break it let them feel the responsibility of replacing it. hence they will learn to treat tools with respect and not as trash .
    As time goes by let them earn it.
     
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    Lies and deceit!


    LIES and DECEIT!


    You only need a clam shell or a broken rock.

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    Thanks,

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    Only if its a custom clam shell or broken rock....... with ironwood, or micarta, yeah micarta!
     
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    I never use mine. I just stare at them to see if they bend. And if they do , damn right the get returned.
    All my knifes have passed that test so far.
    I have had to return a spoon that failed though.
    How-to-bend-a-spoon-with-your-mind.jpg
     
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    No one touches my tools; I have a box of tools that they can use and abuse though.
    Some days I carry a knife that I really wouldn't want the normal idiot to borrow. If in company I often take something less important, and something I can fix. When I was in the military I did take some rather good knives but then realised they could be lost to the mission. Best to take something disposable and repeatable; which doesn't have to mean cheap but be at least able to get again. A Leatherman or Spyderco or Esee, just something if lost or abused you could get again. The military is a team effort and anything you carry is team kit bar your NBC and personal fist aid kit for the use on you. Knives and such shouldn't be so expensive that you would hesitate sticking them in a tank track to get the mud out of.

    Anyhow, family or best friends are no measure how useless they are with your kit. Just don't lend them things you care about; you wouldn't lend your wife so why your best tools? (Same with guns.) Worn out wives, girlfriends, then you have had the best of them, same as tools, you binned them for a reason, move on.
    As for sharpening no one does it like me, nor to how I want the blade. Sure the best edge is a factory edge but that only lasts a week. Back to factory is because the blade needs a full regrind which is beyond my equipment, and yes I would expect to pay something for that service. And thats because I would have had shed loads of use out of the blade and lost so much a regrind was required.

    Someone said earlier to rotate your knives. If you have a few then its a good and fun idea. I tend to have a swop over every six to eight months. Takes a while to adjust from one to another...try not to cut yourself nor breask one. Justlike there is more than one way to skin a cat, there are more than one knife carry choice. Take and use what works for you, and occasionally mix it up with a change.

    Have fun be safe.
     
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    That Terävä Mini Puukko thread with the guy and his knot really got to you, eh? LOL! :eek::p:D I agree though, it is perplexing when people get bent about doing something that damages their knife, like in that thread batoning a little knife through a hard knot, and rolling an edge. Like you, I would just fix the edge and drive on. :dblthumb: Then the knife will have more character yet still work just fine.
     
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    May have already mentioned here, or elsewhere/elsewhen....

    But, broke issue knives throwing...talking bad hits, flat hits, backwards angled hits, on creosote telephone pole stock....abuse...

    Had two knives broken by friends/college room mates, my opinion the knives should have survived what was done, and I never bought either brand, again...

    Have had expensive knives chip or dent on chores which I would expect any solid field knife to sail through with flying colors, talking stripping smaller limbs....none trusted again...

    In short, I generally do not bugger my knives, avoid abusive tasks past rating of knife (such as busting pallet straps or knocking a hole in a can on a military field knife is not abuse, but use), and any damage past edge or surface superficial damage has been a failure of the maker...

    If any knife sustains damage not able to be steeled/stoned to good as new in functionality, it is a dud in my book...

    But, also, as stated several times, I do not club my knives likr baby seals, and expect them to hold up....

    And generally, only returns have been expensive $300+ new knives ground truly horribly, and expensive $500 field knives unable to even strip limbs....the rest, I just write-off.
     
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    Per the OP, yes even use will bugger them up. Life is...harsh sometimes. Rocks close to the ground, wire grown into trees long ago, I won't besmirch a manufacturer or smith because I whacked a piece of barbed wire in a tree from 30 years ago.
    I don't loan my tools. That is all.
    If I do manage to snap a blade or take a huge chip out while going normal cutting, that might be seasoned hardwood, batonning, ect, then I expect the posted or spoken or written/ warranty to apply. Up till now I have had no complaints, neither in manufacturing nor service when I truly tore something up.
     
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    I EDC a Mora because knives to me (for the most part) are consumable... I don't really care about super high end steels because it doesn't matter when I'm cutting sandpaper or dirty bark. What does matter is how quickly I can re-edge it on a bench stone and how easily I can buy a new one when the old one is worn down to a shiv lol
     
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    If it breaks when it’s being batoned through a gnarly hickory stump, then it was probably my fault, but if it breaks while whittling a balsa wood blank. It’s probably gonna get sent back.
    Edge rolls, small chips, and dings are part of the game. Best to know how to fix them.
     
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    I framed houses and did roofs concrete for 45 years and used a flat bar/wonder bar countless times. I would beat them with a framing hammer to separate wood then pry them apart. to do a roof repair hit them under abrasive shingles to the nails to pop them up. used them as chisels to gouge wood beating sometimes with a small sledge and other tasks. had some for 20 years until they were lost NEVER saw one fail or chip. a 1000 dollar knife would break in half if beaten with a big hammer. so I made a knife out of a new $8 flat bar. do not know what kind of steel it is. I have not done much with it so far but if I do it will not break
     
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    this is the knife made out of a flat bar. I made them for 3 other guys.
     

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    You mean to tell me @Sargent isn’t supposed to fix this...

    What! Crazy!


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    Are you supposed to fix it @tobiism ?

    I can’t be held responsible for my actions of using my knife, that’s just crazy!
     
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    Mr Meener, nice one. I presume the steel in just a good quality tool steel. The only issue you might have is holding the edge for some of the harder cutting tasks.
    In olden days agricultural tools were whatever the steel producer in an area could make. A blacksmith would then use their skill to turn it into the tool be it horse shoe, hammer, or axe. Later manfactured goods got better and bettter, but often knives were constantly sharpened to keep an edge.
    Modern steels are so much better and different mixes give different properties. Even the heat treatment is so much more scientific and ovens so much more precise. Its easier to build some good strength of luck into a blade. Recent fashion in knife building has been to heat treat hard. To keep strength then thicker blades are done to insure against lateral breaks. The skill of maintaining an edge is getting lost. When most blades were soft everyone knew how to sharpen a kife as they neede sharpening all the time, often half way through a job. People have been told its difficult! The truth is it not, just need the right abrasive and some application.

    The Terava range is finding a following but its just a very high quality carbon tool steel. Does the job at a sensible price. There are other good steels out there. Best if the heat treat is right for the task. I quite like super steels on my folders, though most will do. With the super steels they are trying to gt tough and hard. I prefer just good tool steel on my choppers and pryers as the forces are just too great. I do like the cut on a thin hard blade, but then they are going to be brittle, or at least snappable. Its good to know what a blade is made of and which way its been done. Then just don't go looking for its limitations. If irresponsible just get something softer and expect to sharpen more often. (Moras are great, but it gets a bit boring having to sharpen then after a while, or hold back. I prefer to invest a bit more to get a bit more.)
    I do like throwing knives but if a knife isn't made for throwing then its irresponsible to throw them. I've broken a few goods knives because I'm not always responsible, but then if I really like a knife I do refrain from such practice.

    If you use your knives you will find out what they are capable of and how much luck has been built in. Its a good knife id its still working hard after a couple of years; it you happily pick it up and get to work.
     
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