June Bushcraft Rendezvous in the Jemez Mountains!

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  1. redneckron

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    NM Coyote and I met with each other to discuss and organize around the idea of a New Mexico Bushcraft meet and greet. We come up with an idea of a Bushcraft Weekend Campout Meet and Greet up in the Jemez Mountains on the weekend of Friday June 23 through Sunday June 25th.

    Please post and give us your opinions/ideas.

    RedneckRon
     
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    Sounds interesting guys. Please keep me posted.
     
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    Our thinking for the first one is to be pretty informal and just get together to share a fire and get to know some of the local bushcrafters.
    If there is interest we could possibly plan a yearly get together that includes some more formal planning of activities and skill sharing.
     
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    Hello, This sounds like fun. I got a phone call from Ron and will follow up with that. I will talk to a few others I know and see if they are interested. I never need much excuse to get outdoors and June in the Jemez is great camping. Big question about fire restrictions, kind'a hard to sit around the campfire when you are restricted to Colman stoves. Take Care, Jim
     
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    The fire restrictions is the one unknown. Your right a Coleman stove don't make a good camp fire. Ron
     
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    I'm in AZ but also very interested!
     
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    Yeah, the possibility of fire restrictions is my concern as well. I was watching the weather map yesterday. It looked like the Jemez got some good moisture (with more possible on Friday) so I am hoping this will hold the fire danger at bay. We don't usually get much rain in April/May. Almanac was predicting dry/hot March with wetter than normal April/May.:51:

    Coyote Ron
     
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    Is there anyone who is thinking of going who is a slingshot enthusiast? Or who wants to be? If so I'll bring my shooters and a bullet trap.

    Coyote Ron
     
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    I am not really into slingshots but do plan to head up the Jemez a couple days early depending on the and if there are Fire Restrictions.
     
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    I'll plan on throwing the bullet trap in the back of the truck. I'll probably try to come up early on Friday.

    Slingshots have always been a part of "bushcrafting" for me. I can remember my dad carrying one he made from deer antler for small game while deer or elk hunting. Silent but effective in the right hands. I learned to shoot from him. He regularly makes undersized forks and teaches grandkids and great-grandkids to shoot this way. Good way to introduce a youngster to shooting principles, responsibility and safety before they are old enough to handle a firearm.

    Dad can't really get out into the woods anymore but when I come to visit I always bring one and we spend time together in the back yard popping soda cans. It will always be one of my treasured memories.

    I shoot regularly in spurts and use a slingshot to harvest cottontails around here. (Not many squirrels but we're being over-run by rabbits since the cat ate himself to death trying to keep up.)

    A set of flat bands can fold up the size of a matchbook and makes a great addition to a PSK or bug-out bag as it is easy to carve the forks in the field and can readily take rabbit and squirrel. And they are nearly silent. The caveat is that one must practice. This is not a skill to develop when you need it.

    I am always eager to introduce someone to the "poor man's shooting sport".

    Sorry for the long, slightly off-topic post. The topic triggered one of my passions.
    I would suggest that if anyone else has a favorite skill that they come prepared to share. We can learn a lot from each other.

    Coyote Ron
     
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    Any ideas where in the Jemez to go?
     
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    NM_Coyote and I talked about an easy to find location for everyone to meet up and I suggested the intersection FSR 376 and FSR 604. Coyote Ron is working up the directions/map for that location and he is a lot smarter at that stuff than I am. This is a simple place to get to and meet up.
     
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    Redneckron has a place that should meet the requirements pretty well. It is off the main road between Fenton lake and LA Cueva. I will post a map soon.
     
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    Here are the promised maps.

    High-level map.png
    High level with Santa Fe for context.
    Or low level with detail
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    Or make it easy on yourself and just type N35.87008 W106.67223 into the google maps search function. This should get you within 100 yards or so. Warning, I'm not sure there is cell service in the area so print a map before you come if you need it.

    If coming from the North (Colorado) I would recommend taking Highway 4 through Los Alamos (or White Rock). From the west there is a road that goes through from Cuba. The last time I took it 20 years ago it was dirt but RedneckRon tells me it is paved now. From the south I would take 550 out of Bernilillo to 4 and go through Jemez Springs.
     
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    Highway 126 between LaCueva and Cuba was in the process of being paved 2 years ago but there might be section between Fenton lake to Cuba that might not be paved. I will update as soon as I know.
     
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    There is a lot to do in the area.

    -Fenton lake has bank-only fishing and is regularly stocked with Rainbow trout.
    -There are hot springs in the area that can be hiked to (warning these are considered clothing optional by many so observing the local wildlife may be a possibility:oops:)
    - There are some incredible hikes in the area.
    - There is a large ridge of obsidian in the region that might provide some material if you are a flint-knapper.
    - Anasazi style cliff dwelling can be hiked at Bandelier
     
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    I know the area well. Lake San Gregorio can be busy with locals on a June weekend, it's a >1 acre pond with somewhat limited camping space, but a one mile hike (nearly flat) past the lake opens up a pretty vast area.

    San Pedro Parks is a great area, though. Past San Gregorio I have seen more guys on horseback looking for their cattle than hikers. And it is usually comfortably cool even in the worst of summer.

    I work weekends, but if I can work it out, I am down for a gathering.
     
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    I work part of weekend and did manage to get it off.
     
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    Oooh. I got excited but unfortunately I've got plans that weekend. If it changes I might be able to swing it. This is much closer to me than the Colorado gatherings.
     
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    I was hoping things work out for you to come
     
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    This sounds like a great time! I'll see if I can pencil it in.
     
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    Me too. Me too. :(
     
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    Guss-I hope you can make and should be a good Meet and Greet along with the others!! I am unsure if there has been a group gathering in NM and I am looking forward to meeting all.

     
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    The get together is around a month away and I a planning to head up during the day on Thursday-June 23. Anybody else thinking about it? I am thinking either doing some fishing or Hit the San Antonio Hot Springs and gather some firewood.
     
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    I will be up for sure on Friday. I am considering coming up on Thursday as well. I'll certainly bring fishing gear.

    I'l toss in some fire wood from my stack here. (You can never have too much. )
     
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    I'm interested. I'll be able to give a definite answer within 2 weeks.
     
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    Jason-I hope you can make it down and be able to share a little of that pined up knowledge you have.
     
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    I will be bringing my ATV and maybe the trailer up also to gather some firewood.
     
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    Redneckron and I met today to do a little planning. It would help if we had an idea of how many will be there. We have a number of maybes. Anybody who knows for sure they will be in the Jemez June 24-25?
     
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    I checked with a couple of my friends and they are interested but have family plans that weekend. It will be only me making this trip.
     
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    I have a couple of friends that are hoping to make it.
     
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    Well we have two for sure (you and I), couple of hopes and some maybes. I guess that is better than none. We can explore some of the open areas around San Antonio Creek or Fenton Lake to find some tracks, wild eatable or medicinal plants, We can use those Rocky Mountain information foldables of the same subject as some reference possibilities. What you think? I am so hoping others join us and get to know some more folk that share this interest of Bushcraft.
     
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    At this time I plan to be there.
    I also invited 2 good people I have hunted and fished with for many years. I also invited another good man I work with and he might bring his family.
     
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    Hhmmm....

    I have off work that week. My son and I will be in Silverton until Thursday morning. We were planning to drive back to Denver Thursday. However, we just might go south on 550 through Durango and grab the campsite for you guys Thursday night and stay Friday and Saturday.

    June 27th I'm having spinal fusion surgery, and my back is really bad off now so that would be the deciding factor for me. If my back is OK Thursday morning I'll be there. If I'm doing bad I'll just drive home.

    I'll post an update that Thursday and let everyone know if I'm going to the meetup or back to Denver.
     
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    I am looking forward to meeting you all...
     
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    It would be a lot of fun to meet all you folks, shoot bows and slingshots, bs around the campfire, etc. It's a solid maybe for me. Since I moved to the Gila country I haven't been to the Jemez mtns. I used to live in ABQ and the Jemez mtns were the closest real forest country you could get to for camping. Is it raining up there yet? It's trying to rain down here, but it doesn't have much strength behind it yet.
     
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    I am unsure if it is raining up there but will know tomorrow and will be out of touch until Sunday evening.
     
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    We've had a lot of rain for May/June but I don't think it is the usual monsoon flow. (Hoping that is still to come) I have been watching the weather maps and it looks like at least some of the rain has been falling in the Jemez so we can hope the fire restrictions will not be a problem.
     
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    The fire warning on the Jemez Ranger station was Moderate.
     
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    I plan to be there unless the aliens get me. Getting the camping gear all together. I am going to cut some wood on the chance we will be able to make a campfire. Sure looking forward to this get-together. Everybody travel safe!
     
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    It sounds like there will be a fair few of us. :)
    All of those activities sound useful. I bought the same set of foldables (after seeing yours the other day.) I also have a bunch of other books on identifying wild edible and medicinal plants that are common to the area. I will bring the stack. I can positively identify and have used quite a few, but I know there are others in this thread that have a lot more knowledge and experience than I do. Looking forward to comparing notes, exchanging knowledge and getting to know some of you.

    PS - I was hoping to get my act together to get a patch designed/ordered. Didn't happen in time to receive before the gathering. But maybe that is something we can do after the fact if people are interested. We can talk about it at the meet.

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    My son got married this weekend and did it at the La Cueva Lodge in the Jemez. My and my daughter in law's family had to taking everything up there. Now my garage looks like a tornado zone but already almost almost everything aside for the Meet and Greet weekend.
     
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    As of today there is a fire not too far from where we had planned to meet. We may need to discuss an alternate plan / location.
     
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    New Mexico HY 4 is closed east of this site. Right now the fire is 0% contained. I think a GO/NOGO call should be made Monday! I am still interested in going. I will keep checking the site for more information. There are places to camp near Socorro but the temps will be hotter. Take Care, Stay Safe,
     
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    Redneckron and I have discussed. He is monitoring the fire and fire-restrictions closely. He has good (inside) sources of info about the local area. (He'll post more on this later.) The fire is quite a bit east of where we want to camp and the prevailing wind is west to east. So far this is not a problem. The only real impact is that access from HY 4 is closed for access from the east. There are still multiple other roads (from north, west and south) that are open for access.

    We will keep posting as things change so stay tuned. We will be also thinking of contingency plans/locations. Our assumption is that this will go forward even if we had to move the location. I think some of those planning to attend are in Colorado so we would try to keep it north for that reason and because of the heat as you mentioned.

    I will emphasize that we want to be extra-careful with fire on this outing.

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    Hey Guys,
    I have been following this post because my wife's parents live a few miles down the road from where your doing your meetup. They had to evacuate last night, and the road from Los Alamos is closed, so the only access is the detour down from Albuquerque which adds about a additional 2 hour drive. Be safe!
     
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    The fire is east of 5 to 10 of miles from where we are going to be. The fire is moving east also. They do have NM 4 shut down because but that is east of La Cueva and it will effect those coming in from the west on NM 4. There have been some thinning in the area that the fire is heading and some forest roads too. The wind flaming the fire is my greatest concern and my co-workers cabin that is in the direction of the moving fire. I am still heading up because we will be good at this point. a Go/No go will be good idea and contingency location too.
     
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    Dmangler, That would add a couple of hours to your return trip and understand the caution. I hope your in laws are safe and all will be good. Take care
     
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    @dmangler and @redneckron, Our prayers, hopes and sympathy go out to any and all that are directly impacted by the fire, homeowners and fire-fighters alike. Exactly 1 year ago the Dog-Head fire was about 6 miles from my house. We weren't in the evacuation zone but were storing belongings for friends that were. Luckily none of them lost their houses but others were not so lucky.

    I think there is an access from the Northwest coming from Cuba. But as mentioned there is a considerable detour if coming from the East.

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