Jute Twine - tinder almost kindling

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  1. Tangotag

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    I've been making these for a while and include them in my various fire kits. They have worked well igniting from ferro rods, char cloth, bow drill ember, and magnification. I've been asked in the past to post a little how-to.
    My latest spool of jute is 3-ply, so when using 2-ply I usually add one or two extra hand wraps.
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    This 3-ply gets 3 wraps around the hand and about an extra 6"-8". To wind from the middle to the end. Then the tail gets tucked under the end loops and pull up the slack on the large loops.
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    Then cut the large loops and unwind and spread open the individual lines.
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    Try spreading out the individual lines so it looks like hair. Increasing the surface area helps pick up small sparks from even an empty fuel Bic lighter.
     
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    I melt wax in an old jam jar melting in a hot water bath on the stove.
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    Each knotted end is dipped in the melted wax.
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    I usually make these while watching my wife's tv shows spending "quality time".;)
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    Here are a couple of my flint and steel kits with one.
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    The loose end will ignite with the slightest spark, and flash up from small burning embers like char cloth or bow drill embers usually burning the knot waxed end for at least two minutes of open flame, enjoy.
     
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    I like those little jute tinders. I bet some pine sap infused in the knot ends would work pretty good, too.
     
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    I know what my weekend project is now. Thanks for sharing, these look great!
     
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    Nice. They almost look like they could work as fishing jigs.

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    The dumb Northern Pike around here would bite on them for sure but the Muskies...they have a bit more refined taste.
     
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    Nice, definitely making some of these. I think they will become a most have staple in my fire kit.

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    Nice! How do you like the Esee striker bro? I just ordered a striker from WCF but I've thought about getting one of the esee ones too.
     
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    The ESEE striker and the WCF will spark the same. Both are high quality.
     
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    Thanks bro!
     
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    Nicely done!

    I'll add this to my wi ter project list!

    Thanks fur sharing!
     
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    I'm gonna have to try this. Haven't messed with using jute yet because I have quite a large supply of fatwood. I even have a spool of it in my toolbox. Time to have fun!

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    Thanks for tutorial! Another project to do this weekend:)
     
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    Nice tutorial. I have used jute alot, but just found 6 ply jute at a craft store. Real fuzzy stuff. May try this with it.

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    glad to know i'm not the only one who gets to craftin' while tv watchin' with with wife! i'll have to try a few of these myself-i always keep some jute in the kits, and i like the idea of kickin' things up a notch!
     
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    Will it ignite if the "fuzzy" end gets wet?
     
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    If soaked it would likely be much more difficult. Though I have used them in the rain and snow. Best practice would be to keep them in a ziplock bag for a wet environment. I normally have them loose in an Altoids tin inside my fire kit in my pack and/or loose in the tin inside the pouch on my ESEE5. I always keep my char cloth in a ziplock and maybe should keep one in there too. Once submerged they would need considerable time to dry.
     
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    Thanks for the info @Tangotag . I too keep a roll of jute twine in my packs and in zip-lock bags. I was just wondering if it would work when wet, so now I know!
     
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    Tangotag like this idea! Thanks for sharing it with us.
     
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    nice little twist on the good old jute :) thanks for sharing
     
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    what a neat firestarter idea. thanks for sharing :)
     
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    Sorry to threadjack this as it is a great post and has spurred my weekend to do list!!! But, to answer MrFixIt's question, yes it is possible. Here is a video tutorial from my buddy Todd Walker, Survival Sherpa, on making waterproof tinder bundles using a similar method.

     
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    I see what you did there...:14:
     
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    Nice post @ugar-6 , Thanks for sharing that!
     
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    No need to buy fancy fire starting aids if you can make them from scraps.
     
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    A small sliver of fat wood in the center of the knot would probably help longevity of the flame and add a bit more heat. I would think a sliver about the size of wooden match would work.
     
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    Great idea!
     
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    Nice Esee!

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    Awesome idea using the fatwood center, will have to make up some of these!
     
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    Very nice. At one time I was a scoutmaster and camporee time came around. On of the contests involved starting a fire with out matches. I gave my patrol leader a bunch of jute twine cut into 6 inch lengths, a 9v battery and some 4/0 steel wool. As they were walking up to the start of the station the patrol leader handed each boy a piece of twine, and as the leader was explaining the rules each boy was rolling it in his hands to unravel it. At go each boy handed the PL the twine which he put in a bundle with the steel wool in the center. put the battery to the steel wool, blew on the bundle and dropped it to the ground. total time was well under 15 seconds, guy running the contest said it was the fastest he had ever seen a fire started by scouts. I will have to make some of these bundles, likely easier to start than egg cartons with dryer lint and take less wax.
     
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    if you quickly dipped the fuzz end in wax, just enough to lightly coat it, the jute would be water proof enough for a shower of a quick dunk. just fuzz up the end like you would natural tinder and whala you have fire even if it gets wet. In thery anyway. will try.
     
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    Please do try it and let us know the results.
     
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    Will do when I get time. Might try them on a 5 day outing planned in a few weeks
     
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    I made one of these the other night while FrogLubing my pistol. But I went crazy and did 10 wraps. Three just looked too skimpy. Haven't had the chance to soak it in wax yet though.

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    Thanks for the new project. Lessons learned tonight from it -1) if using a tin can to melt the wax, be careful when dipping the cord in so your fingers do not touch the sides of the cans. 2) When making, leave one strand twisted together, if you untwist and fluff up, it could lead to lesson 1.
     
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    It works in real life, too. This is what I do.
     
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    When I was a young Scout we would use "Binder Twine". It seems to be an oiled hemp twine and comes in large rolls like the jet line we use at work. Probably would store well in a 5 gallon bucket, one roll would last a lifetime, not very expensive buy it at Tractor Supply. Stuff burns like gasoline, I bet that it would work good used in this parafined tinder bundle just larger than a pjcb.
     
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    I made a bunch of these last week, sent one off in a fatwood/fire kit starter box for a fellow bushcrafter. They work amazingly well, and I think the next one I do will have the fatwood center; I'll have to do a test burn of one with and one without to see the difference.

    This is a fun little craft to do just sitting around doing nothing, watching tv, or whatever. Plus it's super useful when you're done!
     
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    I gotta try it this weekend. I'm making fire starter kits for my nephews who are in the scouts and I think I will add this to the kit.
    Thanks for sharing.
     
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    hello,
    I've tried & tested by using both jute & hemp cord with pine resin earlier in the year. @MrFixIt I stored my FSK tinder in a water tight Sistema® container. ;)
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    hello Barry J,
    Initially it was recommended by a female Bushcrafter in the UK to add a sulphur match made from either a sliver of fatwood or cocktail stick dipped in sulphur, tried & tested it did work. I just may create such using a sliver of the awesome @MrFixIt phatwood. ;)
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    Cool! Thank you for letting me know. I am on vacation next week and may get to play in the garage. If I do, then I will test them and post the results.
    I have used a cardboard egg crate to make fire starters. I put several slivers of fatwood in one of the cups that make up the crate. I then put in a piece of jute twine, to act as a wick. I then poured in paraffin until the fatwood was covered, with about a 1/2 inch of twine exposed. It amazing how long and hot this mixture burned. It was actually a bit violent. Incidentally, these fire starters work amazingly well for lighting charcoal chimneys. They work far superior to the "recommended" wad of newspaper.
     
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    hello Barry J,
    BTW wooden coffee stirrers make awesome matches too. These obtained from (branded) coffee shops that resemble popsicle or lolly sticks "I borrowed with intent to return" a few earlier in the year with good results. The stirrer double ends were both dipped in the sulphur ( 2 for 1). A brief explanation for a forum member in the use of the sulphur match. The sulphur match has been used as a method for creating a quick & direct flame from a glowing ember, such as from a piece of char cloth or in this instance *a short strand of jute or hemp cord dipped in wax or pine resin by simply placing the tip of the sulphur match against a glowing ember, it will begin to melt & then it will ignite. Sulphur matches are safe to use & they do store well in a tinderbox/container as they cannot accidentally be ignited by friction. Sulphur matches will only ignite when heated by a glowing ember or flame. Be careful try not to breath in as sulphur gives off pungent & suffocating fumes. *Paraffin for our BCUSA forum members this side of the pond is in reference to "Paraffin wax" which is a white or colourless soft solid wax derivable from petroleum, coal or oil shale. In the UK Paraffin is a blue or pink coloured liquid fuel for stoves/heaters = Kerosene.
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    Fire Kit Change

    Not unlike the fire octopus I make. I like the idea of coating them with wax and will start doing that.

    Thanks!

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    What a great idea. I made up a batch of them. On one I dipped the tail in too. I couldn't clean off the tail to light it as suggested, but instead broke it up so some of the fibers were exposed. I finally got it to take a spark but I wouldn't count on it if I only had a fire steel to use. The single strand was just an attempt at minimalism. Thank for the new fire starters.

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    I had previously suggested inserting a sliver of fatwood into the jute wrapping of the tender bundle. I also promised to try this myself, to see if it would actually improve performance.
    I wrapped the jute 8 times.
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    Here is the sliver of fatwood being placed being placed into the bundle.
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    I didn't have any paraffin, so I used these ointments, which had expired and a piece of beeswax (about 1/2" diameter x 1/2" long).
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    I also made one of the bundles in the same fashion, but omitted the fatwood for burn time comparison.
    The bundle with fatwood is pictured on the bottom, next to a piece of fatwood. The plain jute bundle is on top.
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    Here is the bundle without the fatwood insert. It is barely smoldering at 9minutes and 29seconds.
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    Pictured below is the jute bundle with the fatwood insert. It is smoldering fairly well at 10minutes and 36seconds. It should be noted, the referenced times in each case, reflect the actual burn times. I stopped the clock when the flame died.
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    In conclusion, I do not think adding fatwood to the bundle provided any great improvement. Both bundles performed quite well. Both bundles produced about the same amount of flame and intensity. After the fatwood bundle cooled, I separated the jute and found the fatwood had not even ignited. It was only charred and still intact.
     
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    Interesting idea, thanks for sharing.

    I generally don't need such a long burning tinder but they would be great for emergencies or tougher conditions.

    I usually boil a few yard in an old soup can filled with candle wax from old candle stumps for ten minutes or so and just cut off a small piece when I need it.

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    Great minds think alike -- I made a few with the fatwood insert the other day, and tested one out against one of the "regular" bundles. I had the same results you did -- similar burn times, and my fat wood did not ignite, save for a very small portion that was exposed outside of the bundle.
     

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