Keep Some Benadryl in FAK

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  1. Wasp

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    Good to keep some benadryl in your FAK/pack, as well as those little 'sooth a sting' vials you break. Maybe some ibuprofen too.

    Got stung in the ear and it is swollen and hard/firm. Hurt like crazy and made my ear ring/lessened hearing for a bit. [Yes I already have big earso_O]
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    @Wasp one of your family get mad at you? :18:

    I'm allergic to bee and wasp stings so I carry Benadryl if I'm not driving or Pepsid AC if I am. Pepsid is a histamine blocker like Benadryl but won't make you sleepy.:dblthumb:
     
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    I did not know that about pepsid.

    I keep several different meds with me in different little fak's.
    I use pieces of drinking straws to put benadryl, Tylenol etc in and seal the ends by clamping and heating it for a water tight seal. I've used the same method for things like antibiotic ointment and anti itch creams. It can be hard to label them so i just keep them in sports zip lock bags and label the bags.
     
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    I'm caught up as of about three minutes ago..
     
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    That's good to know about the Pepsid AC. I'm allergic also and Benadryl knocks me out.
     
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    I'm generally not a big fan of OTC meds since I favor natural approaches, but Benadryl is one that I carry in all my FAKs in case of allergic reaction.
     
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    If you carry brandy in your FAK in your vehicle, there's a possibility of being stopped by the police. In most states, it's a crime to carry an open container of alcohloic beverage in the car (open container = one which has the seal broken).

    So... buy the small plastic bottle of Listerine® and wash it thoroughly. Refill partially with brandy or whiskey (medicinal purposes only) and keep it in your FAK or toiletry kit. No cop will give it a second look since it has the same amber color as the mouthwash. It probably won't have as much alcohol as the Listerine though...

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    I always keep some in fak .but also keep them a d some other meds in my pocket edc, I use a Tylenol pocket container , found at the checkout lane.
     
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    I carry a mini bottle of whiskey unopened, you can buy them for a dollar around here, no problem with open container. joe
     
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    So, is the ear better?

    Now to find some Pepsid AC.
     
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    Those stinging insects can be a pain. I was going rock climbing many years ago loaded down with ropes, gear, stepped over a log and into a yellow jacket nest. I ran throwing gear off as I went, until I realized I had to go pick it back up. Anyway 19 stings, and fortunately no ill effects no benadryl on hand. I carry it now.
     
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    I learned about the Pepsid AC when I was working security at the hospital. We had a lady come in that had been stung several times and they gave her Pepsid AC and Benadryl.
     
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    @Wasp @DirtmanDave @MrFixIt

    Benadryl is a H1 blocker. If you have concerns about drowsiness you could take other OTC meds like Claritin, Allegra, and Zyrtec. Studies have shown them effective as well. None are conclusive on which is better.

    Pepcid is a H2 blocker.
    (Different than H1- In allergic reactions greater concerns are placed on H1 receptors.)
    Similar H2 Blockers to Pepcid is Tagamet and Zantac
     
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    While I just started carrying Benadryl, I have for a long time carried a plug of chewing tobacco, chew lightly, and place chew on sting. Old School.
    EDIT, the chew was used on the sting or bite to relieve pain, not solve a reaction.
     
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    Just FYI, I dont have any in my afAK after looking, but I will. My ear is still swollen and thick and has been all day. The pressure hurts. Definately adding it.
     
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    In regards to allergic reactions and anaphylaxis-

    What do you hope to achieve with chewing tobacco?

    @PMSteve Whats the purpose of alcohol?
     
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    Please keep in mind these inhibit different histamine receptors. Sedating antihistamines are necessary for true allergic reactions. Mild relief might be obtained from an H2 blocker such as famotidine but it is incomplete. They are sometimes added to diphenhydramine for 'extra' inhibition, but should not be trusted as monotherapy during a real event.
     
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    with the chew I was meaning to put it on the sting or bite to relieve the pain, not a reaction
     
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    I had a run in with a bunch of yellow jackets a few falls ago. Had benadryl in my car .Which was a few miles away.

    Not my smartest moment.
     
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    Have carried Benadryl in pill form on me for years and in lotion form in my pack.
     
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    I use baking soda paste at first and then Apple cider vinegar.
     
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    I second the apple cider vinegar for stings. My mom used meat tenderizer which did work, not sure what was in it...Benadryl definitely..works on dogs too
     
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    I knew some guys in the Navy who did a smilar thing replacing the contents of plastic water bottles with vodka. It wasn't for medicinal purposes though....
     
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    I carry it in each of my fak's.

    Hey @Wasp
    Was her name Mrs. Wasp?
    That'll teach you to talk back....
     
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    I think it should always be on hand at ALL times.
    Prov 27:17
     
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    I agree that it should be carried at all times, and i do
    the potential for bad reactions in myself or the family scare the crap out of me!

    good post, I think this is often overlooked or underestimated in seriousness

    and Benadryl is very multipurpose

    I carry the Benadryl liquid caps, with the thinking that if the reaction is not life threatening, you can apply the liquid topically, and take advantage of the anti itch and anesthetic properties that it has, while (i'm assuming...) avoiding the drowsyness

    some day, i'm going to apply it to a fresh wound and test the topical anesthetic properties myself, but i haven't had the opportunity lately!

    this is from the Journal of Clinical and Aesthetic Dermatology.... whatever that means!
    (only because it came up first in google....)
    "Diphenhydramine hydrochloride (DPH) has numerous pharmacological uses in medicine. It is a first-generation, sedating, oral antihistamine. When topically applied, DPH has excellent anesthetic and antipruritic effects. DPH has also been shown to be an effective injectable drug for local anesthesia. This may be due to its three-dimensional structure, which is similar to other anesthetic drugs.1,2 The authors present a patient whose history of a severe “allergic” reaction to a “caine” local anesthetic prompted the use of 1% DPH to allow same-day surgery and avoid any possibility of a potentially life-threatening reaction."

    Benadryl..... the multi-tool of the drug world!
     
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    If you have access to steroids, they go a long way in treating allergic reactions as well.
    By steroids I mean corticosteroids like prednisone or decadron, not “the juice.”
     
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    My allergist "prescribed" Unisom Sleep Melts for allergic reactions because I cant take Benadryl with my meat allergy. They are over the counter, work like Benadryl, and melt in case you arent a pill taker, dont have water, or for kids older than 12. They don't cost much and come in blister packaging. I know they say "sleep melts" but they don't make me any more drowsy than benadryl.

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    For stings, make a paste of water and meat tenderizer and slap it on the sting.
     
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    I wonder what the difference is between Unisom and Benadryl. Seems like the active ingredient in both is Diphenhydramine.
     
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    Ammonia is alkaline, making it counteract the acidic toxins in insect venom. In the good old days it was mom’s go to for bee stings. The problem is most sold in the residential market place today is either heavily watered down or full of scents and soaps. It does keep the topical effects of a sting to a minimum but it will not stop an anaphylactic reaction.
     
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    @Medic17 @Diogenes2000 @harper

    If you mix the h1 and h2 blockers, that's more effective? Just hypothetically... If someone might go into anaphylactic shock, but you could get them to take these, would these help? Obviously, go to the hospital, but what if you get bit by a rattlesnake and you're several hours from a hospital? Good idea to take these in the meantime?

    so if you have liquid and a syringe, you can inject some into a wound?
     
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    Speaking as a FORMER registered nurse, (I am YEARS out of the business, having practiced primarily in an ICU setting with some ER experience—things may have changed drastically since then), Benedryll was commonly used as a first-line treatment for MILD allergic reactions. More severe reactions, including straight-up anaphalaxis, require an entirely different level of care/treatment. In some cases, a level of care orders of magnitude greater. As in you’re getting intubated and ventilated (airway protection and mechanical life support), while we pump you full of steriods and epinephrine hoping to reduce your reaction.

    The point of all that? If you KNOW that you are severely allergic to something, you should both take great pains to avoid such situations, AND carry with you at all times prescribed lifesaving medications (most often an epi-pen). Also, just because you have an epi-pen, doesn’t mean that you won’t require follow-up medical care after dosing yourself. The correct procedure after exposure is to administer the medication immediately and then, as quickly as possible, call EMS and/or get to the nearest ER. One dose of Epi is rarely a cure in and of itself.

    Am I saying don’t carry Benedryll? Of course not! It’s a fantastic drug. Everyone, IMO, should have some. What I am saying is that if you are known to have a bad reaction to certain things, that Benedryll by itself, isn’t likely to be sufficient.

    Be carefull out there.
     
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    @lopie
    Current treatment is to take H1 and H2 Blockers together.
    Benadryl (H1) Pepcid (H2) are the most common variants.
    These two medicines effect histamine receptors. - In simple terms, it helps to negate symptoms.

    Epinephrine- Is the life saving drug in the treatment in anaphylaxis.
    It counteracts symptoms.
    It will cause your body to increase it's blood pressure and dilate your broncholis.

    Rattlesnake Venom is different than Bee / Wasp venom.
    It acts in a different manner against the human body.

    With what @Ade stated...
    In anaphalylaxis Epi is first line treatment.
    As far as lay person - OTC meds go. H1 and H2 blockers may be your only option without a RX. Primatene used to be a very good option but it has since been pulled from the OTC market.
     
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    It used to be used to treat bruising on livestock. I believe it helps dissipate the bruise or in the case of a sting helps break down the poison. A cut hunk of potato works to that effect as well. I think the word is astringent. Like witch hazel
     
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    Remember your first aid kit is for your personal use if others have access to your fak there are liability issues in having meds like benedryl
    Also benedryl alleviates symptoms doesnt stop reactions
    If someone has a severe allergy it can mask the symptons making it harder to diagnose
     
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    Diphenhydramine is diphenhydramine no matter what the brand name.
    Unisom makes another formulation of sleep med that is made with doxylamine succinate, similar but different from diphenhydramine hydrochloride.
    Some people tolerate doxylamine better that diphenhydramine.
     
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    I am a firm believer that the letters FAK should really be PFAK (personal first aid kit). What is in that bag is material I have selected for treatments of injuries I may in cure. People get really stroked out about this, but if I have to treat you, I will be in your FAK using your supplies first. I am a highly trained member of the allied health professionals but when I’m playing in the woods, unless I’m on an expedition and assigned as the groups medical professional, and have detailed medical histories and signed releases to provide my skills you are on your own. Granted I would not let you go without proper help, and would dig into my stash, but that is not what a FAK is really for. It’s a first aid kit, not a fully stocked trauma jump bag stocked for multiple victims.

    As far as prescribing medicine there are very few people on this board with the credentials to do that. Reaching into my bag and taking one of the OTC meds that may be in there is your choice, the second I say; “Here take one of these” even if it’s a Tums…most everyone here will have exceeded their first aid training.
     
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    Without intending any disrespect whatsoever, sir, that’s pretty vague. May I ask you to elaborate on that?
     
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    Once you make your fak available to others you enter a realm of liability
     
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    (And @werewolf won as well.)

    Don't get me wrong but someone can attempt to sue you for anything at any time.
    But with that said...

    Granted you should not play doctor, nurse, medic, special operative delta unless you are specifically placed in that spot with some sort of authority.

    BUT WITH THAT SAID

    Not necessarily.
    Gas stations have various meds for purchase, are they liable?
    Nothing wrong with I have "xyz" if you think you need it?
    (As long as it is OTC)

    Adventure Medical offers kits with an assortment of OTC meds.
    They are not implying that you should take a certain med for a certain condition.
    You will find nothing available from them in print stating such.

    They have generic OTC medications and maybe a list what the OTC medication are typically used for.

    Once you make an authoritative statement that changes the game.

    Prescription medications are a whole different realm.
    A licensed professional has determined that YOU need a specific controlled medication.
     
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    As a hobby beekeeper, I have been stung a few times. For years it was no big whoopty-doo, just a little burn and localized swelling for an hour or so. But then I caught a huge swarm of bees and installed them in one of my hives. Best hive of bees I have ever had produce the sweet golden treasure! Worst bunch of p.o.'d Amazon warriors (they are all females except for a few useless lazy slacker drones) waging all out nuclear annihilation when I worked their hives. A couple got past my bee suit and as I was driving home a little later, I began to feel very strange. Heart racing, blood pressure skyrocketing, crazy mad itching, extremities swelling, etc. I kept swigging at a bottle of iced tea to check for signs of difficulty swallowing and I dialed 911 and held a finger hovering over the SEND button. I pulled into a supermarket and made a beeline for the pharmacy. Yes that was on purpose. I pun. Deal with it or vote me off the island.

    I caught the pharmacist's eye, hollered "BEE STING, REACTING, WHERE'S THE BENADRYL?" She pointed and hustled me toward the liquid Benadryl. I tore open the packaging and took a big old swig. She asked the usual questions and I answered best I could. First reaction, never before, yes I can swallow and with zero difficulty. Then she told me to add the Pepcid AC, too. Now I keep both the bennies and the Pepcid at hand when I work the hives.

    Until now I did not think to include this in my FAK in the woods, but it sure makes sense. If I can suddenly develop a reaction to an insect sting that heretofore had not been a problem, who is to say a damned wasp isn't going to try killing me next? By the way, I have tore up more than a few wasp nests for folks by suiting up in the bee suit and getting medieval on their stingers!
     
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    Many States have laws in place to protect first aid givers --provided you don't do any more or any less than your training. New York City wanted to make a large Coke illegal so I have no idea what their laws might be.
     
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    You need to check state laws
    Starting 2016 many states enacted strict prescription laws to combat opiod addiction
    Under such laws many common otc meds were restricted as they share chemical properties
    In ny/nj/pa i cant even provide tenactin without a prescription
    There is a long list of common otc products that are restricted
     
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    I might be wrong on this, but I thought if a small reaction is felt, the next one is usually more strong. be careful bro.
     
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    My vote is Claritin. Works wonders for me. I keep Benadryl too, but as other have said it makes me sleepy.
     
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    My daughter had chronic hives that (long story short) we including multiple doctors, could not figure out what was causing them. They prescribed Allegra and Pepcid plus some prescription meds for her. That was when I first found out Pepcid was a histamine blocker.

    I was going to ask if Primatene Mist would work in an emergency for anaphylaxis. I haven't looked in a long time and didn't know that it had been taken off the shelf.
     
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    According to the doctor I went to, the ear has small blood vessels and when it swells its hard for the poison to get out so it gets "thick feeling". I'm assuming my reaction wouldn't have been as bad if I had been stung elsewhere as this is not even close to the first time I've been stung.
     
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