Knives recovered from sunken steamboat

Discussion in 'Edged Tools' started by Barry J, Jun 13, 2019 at 10:13 PM.

  1. Barry J

    Barry J Guide

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    May 2, 2015
    Messages:
    1,685
    Likes Received:
    4,552
    Location:
    North Texas
    These knives were recovered from the steamboat Arabia, which sunk in 1856. It was buried under 40 feet of mud. These knives are on display at the Steamboat Arabia Museum in Kansas City Missouri.
    https://www.1856.com/
    20190608_131423.jpg
    20190608_131515.jpg
    20190608_131529.jpg
    20190608_131550.jpg
    20190608_131649.jpg
    20190608_131628.jpg 20190608_131637.jpg
    My apologies for the crappy photos! I could not use a flash, so the photos are not very good. For anyone interested in history, I strongly urge you to visit this most excellent museum! I have visited them 4 times, and see something new on every visit.
     

    Attached Files:

    Last edited: Jun 13, 2019 at 10:22 PM
  2. gene stoner

    gene stoner Scout

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2014
    Messages:
    779
    Likes Received:
    3,925
    Location:
    SE Washington
    Very cool! It's really neat to see how some Pocket Knife models are relatively unchanged to this day.
     
  3. Winterhorse

    Winterhorse Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2013
    Messages:
    12,479
    Likes Received:
    49,942
    Location:
    Kansas
    That is an amazing museum. I’ve been ther a few times. The treasures are fantastic.
     
  4. Primordial

    Primordial MOA #40 Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2017
    Messages:
    5,742
    Likes Received:
    45,861
    Location:
    Upper Great Lakes
    Very cool! Thanks for sharing!

    It's interesting to see that the fixed blade trend of the day was thin stock, and not the fat, sharpened pry bars we have today.
     
    jasam, tomcfitz, freebirdfb and 13 others like this.
  5. fixits

    fixits Noble Savage Supporter Bushcraft Friend

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2014
    Messages:
    623
    Likes Received:
    3,423
    Location:
    Utah
    Awesome...looks like we are keeping up the tradition quite well...
     
  6. Jean

    Jean Guide

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2012
    Messages:
    2,024
    Likes Received:
    1,841
    Looks like a box of old hickory knives when down with the ship.
     
    Torrin, freebirdfb, Swampdog and 12 others like this.
  7. Gruntinhusaybah

    Gruntinhusaybah Fallbrook Forge Hobbyist Supporter Bushclass I

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2011
    Messages:
    3,121
    Likes Received:
    7,558
    Location:
    North San Diego county
    Those look great all things considered!
     
  8. Madwell

    Madwell Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,343
    Likes Received:
    6,972
    Location:
    Arizona
    I thought the same thing.
     
  9. beestokk

    beestokk Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2013
    Messages:
    1,159
    Likes Received:
    3,274
    Location:
    NW Missouri
    Awesome museum, indeed! The axes and other tools are really neat to see too, as is everything else. Really a unique piece of essentially perfectly preserved history! The mud essentially created an oxygen-free zone, almost like a vacuum, so nothing really deteriorated.
     
  10. marbleman

    marbleman Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2015
    Messages:
    2,922
    Likes Received:
    11,081
    I've been there as well. Amazing to see how much things were mud-preserved, in the absence of deep/really cold water.
     
  11. Red Yeti

    Red Yeti Mostly Harmless Hobbyist Supporter Bushclass I Bushclass II

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2017
    Messages:
    2,328
    Likes Received:
    18,588
    Location:
    Pacific Northwest
    Oh Man, I hope to get there some day, this wets my appetite even more! I have seen pics of some of the clothing that was preserved in the wreck. Very cool how much stock was there. Love the bone and stag handled folders!

    :38:
     
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2019 at 1:34 PM
  12. Hawkcreek

    Hawkcreek Supporter Supporter Bushclass I

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2010
    Messages:
    2,945
    Likes Received:
    2,281
    Location:
    Pacific N.W.
    I've heard of this before, I hope to get to the museum someday it looks truly fascinating.
     
  13. LMT66

    LMT66 Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2009
    Messages:
    1,657
    Likes Received:
    1,064
    Going to have to check this out sometime. I'll bet every member of the 5 families that excavated the site has a really cool pocket knife!
     
  14. Beach Hiker

    Beach Hiker Traveller Supporter Bushcraft Friend

    Blog Posts:
    24
    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2017
    Messages:
    5,807
    Likes Received:
    43,097
    Location:
    On the farm and at the beach.
    So, was the ship basically carrying a giant cargo of knives??
     
  15. Wil

    Wil Tracker

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2019
    Messages:
    171
    Likes Received:
    666
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    Looks like a ton of Russel Green River knives.
     
  16. CamoDeafie82

    CamoDeafie82 Guide

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2014
    Messages:
    1,432
    Likes Received:
    705
    Location:
    Oregon
    knives were expected to not just be a part of every man's EDC in those days... possibly a merchant had lost his entire inventory of knives?? the wikipedia page states that sawmill equipment were carried as well.
     
  17. Sandcut

    Sandcut Sed ego sum homo indomitus Vendor

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2010
    Messages:
    7,474
    Likes Received:
    17,410
    Location:
    Gouldsboro, PA
    It was most likely just carrying the various day-to-day items that people needed for westward expansion. Most of the knives are butcher knives, a common household item. If a modern Walmart delivery truck were to get covered in mud, in 170 years those who recovered it would think that all we carried was 8" chef's knives and steak knives, because those would be the likely knives to be shipped for common household use.
     
  18. Paulyseggs

    Paulyseggs Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    2
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2018
    Messages:
    3,987
    Likes Received:
    16,682
    Location:
    CT.
    See what happened thou! Boat sank!! Had there been some super steel EDC wonders we wouldn't have this thread, now would we!
    And don't forget tanto point. If it isn't a tanto point you'll be lucky to make it out alive.
     
  19. Paulyseggs

    Paulyseggs Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    2
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2018
    Messages:
    3,987
    Likes Received:
    16,682
    Location:
    CT.
    I'd love one of those knives.
    I remember finding a Green River skinner knife in my basement when I was a kid. Had I had more sense I would have asked about it. My grandma & ma were very good at remembering who's stuff came from who and I'm sure there was a story for it.
    It's probably still in a tool chest at my mom's. She doesn't throw much out. :)
     
  20. A K Church

    A K Church Guide

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2010
    Messages:
    2,605
    Likes Received:
    2,976
    The "Arabia" had a full load of goods for the frontier trade. And it was a large ship, too.

    Boy's suits. Padlocks. Whiskey. Harnesses. Canned goods. Tons of things, and a very high rate survival of the cargo.
     
    savage99nc, Torrin, Red Yeti and 8 others like this.
  21. Barry J

    Barry J Guide

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    May 2, 2015
    Messages:
    1,685
    Likes Received:
    4,552
    Location:
    North Texas
    This ship carried about 200 tons of cargo. Everything one would need for a homestead. All manner of clothing was included. Felt hats, glass buttons, suits, dresses, belt buckles, boots and shoes. Incidentally, the shoes came in different sizes, but there was no left or right. The new buyer would soak them and then wear them until dry, forming them to their feet. There were eating utensils, china dinner wear, jars, pots and pans.
    There were canned oysters, jars of pickles, wine and whiskey. As mentioned earlier, there were saw mill parts, grain mill stones, axes, shovels, rakes, powder flasks, rifles and pistols.
     
    savage99nc, dial1911, Sandcut and 7 others like this.
  22. Winterhorse

    Winterhorse Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2013
    Messages:
    12,479
    Likes Received:
    49,942
    Location:
    Kansas
    Hundreds of thousands of needles, thread, buckets of beautiful buttons in a bunch of colors, thread,material, sewing scissors, leather goods... Everything needed to stock their thriving young civilization. They weren’t rustics back then. They were a healthy growing nation.
    Going through that museum the only thing missing is the people. You can almost feel them around you.
     
  23. RTDoug

    RTDoug Scout

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2014
    Messages:
    687
    Likes Received:
    2,383
    Location:
    down southish
    I've stopped there on a couple of trips west. The museum is amazing. Jars of pickles, still preserved. Ketchup and candied cherries, stationery, yard goods, plows, broad axes, high button shoes, boots, silverware, all being shipped up the Missouri River to trading posts. They have recovered so much cargo that they rotate the displays a couple of times a year. I would strongly urge you to make time for at least a couple of hours stop. It is amazing.
    Regards
     
  24. MAD Punty

    MAD Punty Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    1
    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2018
    Messages:
    952
    Likes Received:
    5,565
    Location:
    Massachusetts
    Just goes to show what a great design the Green River/Old Hickory butcher knife design is....simple, functional, versatile....timeless.
     
    Torrin, Paulyseggs, Barry J and 2 others like this.
  25. Beach Hiker

    Beach Hiker Traveller Supporter Bushcraft Friend

    Blog Posts:
    24
    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2017
    Messages:
    5,807
    Likes Received:
    43,097
    Location:
    On the farm and at the beach.
    I once found a beautiful pair of shoes on sale for about 5 dollars. The reason? Two lefts!
     
  26. beestokk

    beestokk Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2013
    Messages:
    1,159
    Likes Received:
    3,274
    Location:
    NW Missouri
    Also should mention this museum lease for the space expires in the relatively near future I believe (5 years or so). If I'm correct it may relocate somewhere in Missouri but I don't think Kansas City. So if im KC make a point to visit!
    https://fox4kc.com/2019/02/14/kcs-a...-to-ship-out-from-city-market-in-a-few-years/

    Additionally there is another steamboat going by the same group that is being excavated, currently on pause I think.
    https://www.kcur.org/post/second-su...questions-kansas-citys-arabia-museum#stream/0
     
  27. JasonJ

    JasonJ Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2014
    Messages:
    3,437
    Likes Received:
    12,138
    Location:
    Bay City, MI
    For those wondering, this is where Russel/Green River and Old Hickory gets their New Old Stock knives from...














    Joking of course... beautiful items of history, all of it, not just the cutlery.
     
  28. PAcanis

    PAcanis Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2017
    Messages:
    7,153
    Likes Received:
    34,546
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    A lot of knives there I'd love to own.
     
    Beach Hiker, beestokk and Barry J like this.
  29. Barry J

    Barry J Guide

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    May 2, 2015
    Messages:
    1,685
    Likes Received:
    4,552
    Location:
    North Texas
    Indeed! There was a sign below the knife display that read; "No Batoning Allowed." :18:
     
    Beach Hiker, Paulyseggs and beestokk like this.
  30. Zunga

    Zunga Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2017
    Messages:
    7,201
    Likes Received:
    40,244
    Location:
    British Columbia
    Very còol. That is a lot of knives. Were they part of the ships cargo. Or just left behind when the ship was abandoned?:33:
    Cheers Jim
     
    Beach Hiker and Barry J like this.
  31. tomcfitz

    tomcfitz Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2018
    Messages:
    553
    Likes Received:
    2,079
    Location:
    Bull City, NC

    I blame the prevalence of youtube reviewers, who essentially just beat up knives to prove how good they are, instead of actually using them. Whacking a bigass knife through a tree is more visually impressive than "yes, it carves this pot hook marginally better than another knife"


    That being said, if I had to pick a knife for the "end of the world" or whatever, I'd pick one with a good amount of steel, just so it would last longer. But I've never had a problem that a thin knife couldn't solve just as well as a thick one.
     
  32. beestokk

    beestokk Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2013
    Messages:
    1,159
    Likes Received:
    3,274
    Location:
    NW Missouri
    From my visit I believe most items in that number/quantity were cargo.
     
  33. Barry J

    Barry J Guide

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    May 2, 2015
    Messages:
    1,685
    Likes Received:
    4,552
    Location:
    North Texas
    The ship sank so fast, there was no time to recover any cargo. So, yes, they were part of the cargo.
     
  34. anrkst6973

    anrkst6973 Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2017
    Messages:
    930
    Likes Received:
    4,974
    I wonder how many BCUSA members have been in there at the same time? Possibly standing only a few feet apart, thinking the same thoughts and yet....."ships in the night" eh? ;)
     
  35. Corso

    Corso Guide

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2010
    Messages:
    2,550
    Likes Received:
    4,711
    Location:
    Kent, England
    very cool
     
    Beach Hiker and Barry J like this.
  36. RTDoug

    RTDoug Scout

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2014
    Messages:
    687
    Likes Received:
    2,383
    Location:
    down southish
    About the same goes for blade length! A small knife will handle big jobs too, just more cuts...
     
    Beach Hiker and Barry J like this.
  37. MAD Punty

    MAD Punty Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    1
    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2018
    Messages:
    952
    Likes Received:
    5,565
    Location:
    Massachusetts
    I found a few other really cool images from the museum...looks like an awesome place.

    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
    savage99nc, Swampdog, Torrin and 9 others like this.
  38. Wasp

    Wasp DOWN IN DIXIE Hobbyist Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2014
    Messages:
    13,620
    Likes Received:
    60,095
    Location:
    Arkansas (Central)
    Look at those traditional slipjoints. Whoa momma. Or as they were called in the day...."pocket knife"
     
    Beach Hiker, beestokk and Barry J like this.
  39. Wasp

    Wasp DOWN IN DIXIE Hobbyist Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2014
    Messages:
    13,620
    Likes Received:
    60,095
    Location:
    Arkansas (Central)
    [​IMG]

    Anybody notice the type of can opener used to get into that "peach can"?
     
    savage99nc, Beach Hiker and Barry J like this.
  40. halo2

    halo2 Typical Swamp Yankee Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2010
    Messages:
    1,460
    Likes Received:
    3,430
    Nice pictures. I'll have to check out that museum if I'm ever near there.
     
    beestokk and Barry J like this.
  41. Barry J

    Barry J Guide

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    May 2, 2015
    Messages:
    1,685
    Likes Received:
    4,552
    Location:
    North Texas
    Here are a few more pics.
    20190608_131807.jpg
    20190608_132028.jpg
    20190608_132019.jpg
    20190608_131927.jpg
    20190608_132418.jpg
     
    savage99nc, Swampdog, slysir and 5 others like this.
  42. beestokk

    beestokk Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2013
    Messages:
    1,159
    Likes Received:
    3,274
    Location:
    NW Missouri
    Another really cool museum for BCUSA interests is the National Frontier Trails Museum in Independence, MO. First time I saw in person an old mountain man butcher style knife and knew I had to have one....an Old Hickory did me well!

    http://www.ci.independence.mo.us/NFTM/AboutUs
     
    Torrin, Beach Hiker and Barry J like this.
  43. Beach Hiker

    Beach Hiker Traveller Supporter Bushcraft Friend

    Blog Posts:
    24
    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2017
    Messages:
    5,807
    Likes Received:
    43,097
    Location:
    On the farm and at the beach.
    I agree. I like my thin knives.

    How/Why did it sink?
     
    tomcfitz and Barry J like this.
  44. Barry J

    Barry J Guide

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    May 2, 2015
    Messages:
    1,685
    Likes Received:
    4,552
    Location:
    North Texas
    The ship was headed up river and ran into a log, which ripped a big hole in the ships hull. Water rushed into the hull and sank the ship. All passengers were saved. Only loss of life was 1 mule.
     
    Swampdog likes this.
  45. marbleman

    marbleman Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2015
    Messages:
    2,922
    Likes Received:
    11,081
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2019 at 9:55 AM
    Barry J likes this.
  46. beestokk

    beestokk Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2013
    Messages:
    1,159
    Likes Received:
    3,274
    Location:
    NW Missouri
    I believe that might be the steamboat Malta site that I linked above. Pretty remarkable stuff.
     
    Barry J and marbleman like this.
  47. Theshatz

    Theshatz Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2018
    Messages:
    416
    Likes Received:
    534
    Location:
    Ossipee NH
    Love the old slipjoints a lot of those patterns are still revelant today thanks for posting this
     
    Barry J likes this.

Share This Page