Lamp Oil?

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  1. NevadaBlue

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    I decided to buy a bottle of lamp oil, since my stock of kerosene is at the old place. I couldn’t find any at the store I was at, so...
    I bought a jug of charcoal lighter and a jug of paint thinner.
    Now I am going to test these in an old lamp and see what happens. Both of those products are ‘petroleum distilates’ and neither are as aggressive as gasoline for example.

    I should put up a poll...

    - he will kill himself in an explosion
    - it will work fine
    - DON’T DO IT!

    Opinions?
    Experience?

    Of all the things I have never tried, this is one.
     
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    I bet you'll be alright.
    Add enough styrofoam it'll basically become "play dough"! :14:
     
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    I think charcoal lighter is closest to diesel
    Which should be safe enough right ? I’d think paint thinner closer to gasoline .
    We made a makeshift stove in the Army one time to heat our bunker . Worked great til
    We ran out of diesel
    and then switched to gasoline .
    Just don’t try lighting a gas ammo can stove in an enclosed bunker with a damp match . Why would you think the fumes would fill up the whole bunker before igniting . There wasn’t one warning label on that gas can either .
     
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    I believe lamp oil stores indefinitely and is the same oil as heating oil.
     
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    My guess is it will work.... but that you will get inky black smoke.
     
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    I would not do it, be safe brother.

    GOD Bless you and your family

    Kenneth

    From this link I underlined section
    https://outdoors.stackexchange.com/...re-starting-liquid-be-used-in-a-kerosene-lamp
    "Kerosene is different from other carbon fuels in that is has a much higher flash point, meaning that it has to be warmer than other fuels before it will produce a vapour that can be ignited. Other fuels with a much lower flash point produce a lot more vapours at warmer temperatures, making them much more volatile.

    If your lamp is designed to be used with Kerosene, then using any other type of fuel could cause the lamp to explode, or worse, vent vapours that could fill a room, find a spark, and catch a cabin on fire (worst case scenario). Only use fuels recommended for your gear, you're flirting with disaster it you start experimenting with other igniters."

    From this link
    https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/alt.survival/uati73jx5I8
    "However, on some oil lamps, the fuel tank gets hot. Mineral spirits has over heated, the fuel starts to vaporize on its own, and the lamp goes super nova, and burns the place down. Dietz, I think it was, had a caution about that. "
     
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    Kerosene is just about extinct in many parts of the US. I searched for it far and wide, and only found it in small, way over priced amounts at lowes, if I recall.

    Could you run a conventional oil lamp off of olive oil, or alcohol that you'd use in an alcohol stove? I know olive oil works just fine for 'primitive' oil lamps.
     
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    Don't airplanes burn kerosene?
     
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    Go to the local air club and fill up a tank....
     
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    Try plain ol' vegetable oil. I always put one of these in the bathroom when the hurricanes knock out the electricity. A lamp wick isn't any different than a Zippo wick, it's just bigger.

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    -John
     
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    Any cooking oil will work in oil lamps, even used cooking oil. I know that is safe to do. Lighter fluid is not a good option and will not be safe, it burns to fast and to hot. I have never tried paint thinner but I feel like it will burn to hot. I can say for sure that cooking oil is a great option.
     
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    You can get good scent free lamp oil at Walmart, hobby lobby and many places on line. It’s safe, free of toxins and does not stink up your house. Starter fluid and paint thinner are not designed To be burned in the home and may make you sick if you breath the fumes.

    Working in the petrochemical industry for 30 years I can tell you that things like Gasoline, Paint thinner and Starter fluid are a combination of chemicals designed To burn at a specific rate. It does not really matter what they are as long as the rate is maintained. Kero and lamp oil are also combinations but specifically refined for burning in a home so benzine and other nasties are removed.
     
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    I've tried vegetable oil before indoors and it gives off lots of black smoke. Made me want to cough in just a few minutes of burn time.
     
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    I have routinely used regular mineral spirits in oil lamps. A little odor, but not too bad for me. Adequate ventilation of course.

    It is nearly impossible to find kerosene here. You can get it in a two gallon jug but it's very expensive, something over $10.00 a gallon.

    I have seen videos of guys using diesel fuel and adding things such as alcohol or seafood to make it burn cleaner. I am pretty leary of dipping my toes into that pond. :)

    One thing to keep in mind though, is that the diesel fuel of today is much higher refined than that of yesteryear. I run regular diesel road fuel in my kerosene torpedo heater and it runs very clean. In fact, so clean that the little bit of fuel i spilled by the tank smelled stronger than the heater running.

    I do think that someone with a knowledge of chemistry can realistically put together a potion that would work good. I have heard of running injectors cleaner in regular car gas to use in a Coleman appliance. If it cleans injectors, why wouldn't it clean a generator? :) I buy crown fuel for my stoves and lanterns, and always dose up the cans with some seafoam. :)
     
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    EYE PROTECTION is definitely in order IF you procede w/ this INSANITY

    i frequently find cinderella oil @ flea mkts & garage sales which i have had luck w/

    use in my little Dietz lanterns

    does a real well job of running the skeeters of while providing a bit of soft light around camp

    butt IT STINKS :-O
     
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    Please do this experiment after you attend the GTG at Raab. I would like to meet you as you are now.:eek:

    I have two Dietz #76's. Pure lamp oil - the kind that contains mostly paraffin - is the only thing I 've ever used. Safe for indoors and just about zero odor. The other most common type on the shelves is always a kerosene mix. Outdoors only. My thinking is that the lighter fluid and thinner would only be suitable for that venue - at a distance til proven.
     
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    Add alcohol , Seafood I’ll be over Friday night .
     
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    pretty much covers it. but hey if it all goes south can i have your stuff? :17::35:
     
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    Even when you can’t find lamp oil you can usually find “Tiki Torch Fuel”. Usually in the out door section.
     
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    If I remember correctly, diesel fuel additive in cooking oil will allow glycerine to separate from the oil. Supposedly, you can syphon off the thinner oil from the glycerins and it should burn cleaner.

    I'm with the group about charcoal lighter fluid and mineral spirits having a more aggressive flame. If you can get to it, jet fuel is a form of purified kerosene with naptha or as unleaded kerosene. Some additives are included to burn cleaner in jet engines.

    Remember to not get all blowed up and stuff with the experimentations.
     
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    I have a bottle of the citronella stuff, but haven't used it yet. I usually see it with the charcoal and BBQ supplies at Farm & Home. I also can usually get plastic jugs of Kerosene (2 gal. IIRC) there.
     
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    Please don’t! I like you too much to see you torch yourself and the abode!
     
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    Gonna have to say DON'T DO IT.
    You're playing with fire...

    My son suggests you just buy lamp oil from Amazon and pay for 1 day shipping!
     
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    OK, I will behave.
    Although, I may experiment with an old lamp out in the yard.
    They have tiki oil at Home Depot, but NONE that doesn’t include citronella. I don’t want that in my tent, gasp...
    Next trip to Walmart, I’ll pick up some lamp oil.

    I have 50 gallons plus of kerosene (good stuff) at the old place. But, that is 150 miles away.
    OH... I may have hauled a 5 gallon jug of kerosene back last fall. Now to go dig in the pile of stuff in the shed. Sigh... OBS is tough (Old Brain Syndrome). :4:
     
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    @NevadaBlue

    You don't have a local Walmart? Walmart's down here in hurricane country always have lamp oil. Could be because a hurricane lamp here isn't a novelty, it's a necessity!!

    -John

    Edit: Just read your post. The good thing about Walmart is you don't have to get all dressed up!! :D:cool:
     
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    That’s good. I wear ‘normal’ clothes to Walmart. No spandex or pajamas or speedos... like I see there often. :eek:
     
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    @NevadaBlue , I ran two Dietz lanterns in my old tipi (pict in avatar) routinely with Tiki torch fuel without incident or overt smell. I think part of the key is not to let flame smoke at all. Well-trimmed wick and keeping flame height below smoking level. I've also, on a limited basis, ran the same lanterns in my house with little smell. I usually stock up on Tiki fuel in the fall when it goes on sale! Please don't play with paint thinners and flame..... I have seen the results and they are NOT pretty. Best of luck in your endeavors, but use a lamp-safe fuel.
     
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    Oops, double tapped.
     
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    I've never had olive oil smoke that badly. Most of the time there's no smoke at all, or only a little at the start. I have gotten a lot of black smoke on a few occasions, but I think that was due to either:
    1) Lack of oxygen getting to the flame / wick
    2) Lack of fuel getting to the wick

    A tiny amount of smoke when you first light it, as the wick begins to char and suck up oil is normal. But only a small amount.

    I haven't tried vegetable oil yet, but I think I'll give it a try along with canola oil, as they're both far cheaper than olive oil.

    Keep in mind that my experience is with DIY oil lamps though.
     
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    I have a tiny lantern that I want to take to the GTG along with one or two normal sized ones. They make such a nice light, not screaming like gasoline lanterns.
     
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    Somehow, I don't see this as a good idear...

    Fleet Farm has kerosene... Oh, no Fleet Farm's in your area? Then you really don't need it...
     
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    I'm bringing my Dietz 76. Much nicer light. That model will burn for 10 hours at medium flame. It's no spotlight, but it puts out enough for walking around camp at night and not tripping. I made a reflector for it so the light goes in a chosen direction and not back at me. Works pretty good.
    Dietz Lantern #76.jpg
     
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    We just need to do an auction to buy Blue a 55 gal drum of whale oil so he can remember His younger days. That will provide plenty of light.
     
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    LOL, I have kerosene, just can’t find it/ get to it. LOL


    Reflector? Pic please.
     
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    I wouldn't do it. I have used Olive Oil - does not smoke too much. It depends on how much wick you are burning. Takes some finessing.
     
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    I don’t finesse... :p
     
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    Sounds like you need something plenty volatile that will light
    and burn with little effort .
     
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    I’m shocked at the idea people can’t find kerosene. I can get it right from the gas station pump two blocks from my home. And many other stations as well. Lots of guys cut the diesel in their trucks with it in the winter.
     
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    Living on the desert kind poor we used diesel. worked ok and safely .
     
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    Diesel will work, but it is stinky.
     
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    I'll have to go dig it out tomorrow and take some shots. It's out in the shop in one of my camp kits. It's nothing more than a simple .020" aluminum sheet that has tabs that bend around the tubes. Heavy duty foil works just a s good.
     
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    Motor oil, thinned with gasoline, or Heet, or rubbing alcohol? Sounds stinky, I am making stuff up.
     
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    Heating oil in my part of the world is nothing more than Red Diesel.
     
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