Let's not butcher the language if we can help it

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  1. batmanacw

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    I just watched a guy on YouTube who does cut testing on knives confuse 20° included with 20° per side or 40° INCLUDED.

    The term is included angle. The sum of the entire angle on any side of a triangle.

    I'm not sure what numb-skull started calling the angle "inclusive" but it's really annoying to a machinist and guy who took grade school geometry.

    Lifted from another website.

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    What are your favorite pet peeves about misuse of language as it pertains to sharp stuff?
     
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    internet fad-speak and baby talk diminutive shottie, remmie, slicey, barfy....
     
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    people who complain about others misusing language, but misspell misuse LOL
     
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    Used to be a language stickler myself, it will drive you quite insane.

    Particularly hate the phrase "free gift", which is used very often indeed. So I try to ignore it.
     
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    Spel? What exactly is included in an angle? Is that lawyer talk? Or jail talk. “I got an angle”

    Science cannot be explained to most people, nor geometry or simple math even.
     
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    Where in the world did the silly term ‘gifted’ (meaning a gift was given) come from? A gifted person is one with a talent of some sort, normally. I wonder who gifted them?
     
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    "Party" as a verb.
     
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    People who say “I’ll do the . . . “ when ordering food in a restaurant
     
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    A "Free Gift" that is "inclusive of this angle." LOL
     
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    Everyone at work says hot water heater....isn't it a cold water heater?(just realized you said for sharp stuff....I'll need to think about that one)
     
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    Anything anyone says "offends them".
    Newsflash kiddos, your ability to be offended, doesnt trump my right to say it.
     
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    Who is this Miss Use? Can I meat her?

    Some people call the terrible hard plastic glass filled nylon sheathes that Ka-Bar uses "Kydex". NO!!! Glass filled nylon is NOT Kydex! They might look the same, they might feel the same but Kydex won't dull your blade edge and glass filled nylon does.
     
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    When you go to check out and the cashier handles your food/drink excessively....
     
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    And then licks their fingers while making change! :rolleyes:

    Or calling fabric soaked in epoxy ‘micarta’. Micarta is made from thermosetting plastic and (generally) layers of fabric. The plastic is bakelite. There are zillions of youtube videos on making micarta, but none of them show making micarta.
     
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    Beginning an explanation with the word "so".
    Annoys me much, much more than it should.
    Listen for it... it's becoming the millennial norm.
     
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    Upspeak.
     
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    Teaching good grammer inside schools is a thing of the long ago past.
     
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    When you say "I seen," I assume you will not finish that sentence with "The inside of a book."
     
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    That's good.
     
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    just for fits and giggles I ggld "inclusive angle". The second suggested website uses the phrase for a sharpening supply site.

    Although I generally dislike the short form, mis-spelled, out of context phrases that seem to plague every day life.... I did enjoy throwing in the odd 'fo-shizzle' into conversations especially when talking to my daughter's friends.:D
    Niagara
     
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    The errors made in confusing their, there, they're drive me crazy. Lack of punctuation and run on sentences are other things that can drive one mad.
     
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    As a product of a inner city education I will sit here and keep my mouth shut :4:
     
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    I had to read, check the spelling of, and grade enough reports when I was teaching to last me a lifetime,,, I’m retired now. I was paid to point out mistakes back then...

    I do though think that autocorrect is responsible for many perceived mistakes in word usage and or spellings,,, Certainly I’ve typed in a line or two, linked it up, and reread my post only to be horrified.

    If a fella is understood, why care about how he makes his self understood? I could understand Yoda just fine...
     
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    Nothing comes to mind about edged tools. My gripes are mostly in firearm language, so I generally avoid online threads where folks butcher it then try to explain the reason for their butchery.

    A lack of punctuation really shows you how little one cares about what they are saying or asking. Maybe that's my one complaint, but I seldom see it on here. A little ribbing usually fixes that when it pops up. ;)
     
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    I butcher language and grammar here just to try to make you all smile. Actually I am pretty well versed in both. I get a kick out of some of the things I read in the newspaper and magazines. So you young fellars feel free to butcher at will, it may brighten someone's day. joe
     
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    Yeah, but inclusive does sound more better than included.;)
     
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    If you are going to use the wrong term, at least know what you are trying to imply with that incorrect term.
     
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    Cutlery related, this isn't really a pet peeve, but I would be grateful if someone could clarify the term "haft".
    Can it be used as a verb, as in "hafted", or "to haft"?
    Would it be proper to say "I have to haft two axes"?
    Or is it strictly a noun?
    Thanks!
     
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    haft
    /haft/
    noun
    1. 1.
      the handle of a knife, ax, or spear.
      synonyms: handle, shaft, hilt, butt, stock, grip, handgrip, helve, shank
      "gripping the haft of the knife"
    verb
    1. 1.
      provide (a blade, ax head, or spearhead) with a haft.
     
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    I handed him 50% of an axe handle, saying "Here, have half a haft".

    BTW, I know the spelling "axe" is no longer preferred. Tough poop. I prefer it.
     
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    Thank you, Adam. I was hoping you'd answer that.
    And I too prefer "axe" over "ax".
    We now return to our scheduled program.
     
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    Once upon a time, early 90s I was a bureaucrat for a while. It paid well, but I wasn't good at it. We had a contest to see who could do the most bureaucratic translation of a phrase.

    The winner on converting "3 bean salad".

    Polyphasic bean assemblage, salad format, consisting in a primary, secondary and tertiary modality.
     
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    That is almost Ah Kin to the
    Angle of Repose.
     
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    Here, take these two halves of an ax(e) and this haft, then haft a half halve on each one.
     
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    As to the real question, the one that gets me are when people use the term Bowie or Hunting knife to mean any big knife. I've even seen the term Assault Knife used when they describe the scary things somebody owned after they were arrested.
     
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    I agree that autocorrect is one of the lead causes. That said, newspaper and even magazine publications are quite lax in what they publish. I know budgets are cratering, but come on.

    As far as this forum goes, I think spontaneity is enough of a "good" that I wouldn't expect folks to stop and look up the spelling of every word they use. I'll read what someone has written and think "how did make this mistake." Then I'll think they are likely doing this on a cell phone when they only have a minute or two to get their thoughts down. Yet, the writer cared enough to answer someone's question.

    Years ago I read that spelling was not especially teachable. Those who were spelling challenged would memorize how to spell a word for the test and promptly forget. About that time, I taught at a school blessed with very bright kids. Two of these bright kids would write a report and misspell the same word on the same sheet of paper differently each time. I suspect a little of this phenomenon is a little like my own lack of fashion sense. I simply do not care enough about what clothing items go together for it to bother me. I think many likewise do not care about spelling.
     
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    Texting and website writing using a phone.
    And not taking the time to actually look at what you are writing.

    Here is a technical translation of a common phrase.
    "Go have aerial intercourse with a rolling, perforated pastry".
     
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    cough, ahem, meet - come together, meat - the flesh of animals.
     
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    In terms of spelling, I'm just happy that that there are enough people in the world that can read. I rejoice in that now to suffer the slings and arrows of misspelling at a later time.

    One of the things that irks the dickens of me is when some one explains their ignorance of history by saying "that was a little before my time". Ignorance is tolerable, as it's teachable. To choose to be ignorant is stupidity which is not.
     
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    Relative to the OP, when speaking in engineering terms or when trying to accurately describe something I think using the proper terminology is very import.
    The real keys to good technical writing are perspicuity and perspicacity.
     
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    So, I seen this guy trying to make micarta but his inclusive angels were wrong and he didn’t have haft sense but while he was doing that he got his fingers stuck in the glue and was haft assed ignorant about it he burned the glue off his fingers with gas i axed him if it hurt and he said no but i bet it did hurt the ax was not haft bad tho
     
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    I watched the cut test guy say he used a 20° inclusive or 40° angle........

    20° per side means a 40° included angle.
     
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    You're confusing language and grammer.
     
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