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Let's Talk Knots

Discussion in 'Other Skills' started by himesrun, Dec 14, 2016.

  1. himesrun

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    After researching ridge lines and the various knots associated with them it occurred to me there's probably no way I'm going to remember the dozens of knots used for our many bushcraft endeavors. From ridge lines and tri-frames to bow drills and lashings, what would be your top "you have to know these" knots? Let's try to keep it to 6 or 7 knots and please explain why you feel they're so important and what you would use them for.
     
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    There are three knots I use on pretty much any overnight trip.

    Taut line hitch: I use this all the time for my ridgeline and for the lines running from my tarp out to stakes (opposite the slip knot listed below). Its very easy to adjust the tension of your lines with it and it definitely lives up to its name keeping the line "taut".

    Slip knot: I use slip knits quite a bit but mostly to secure a rock or pinecone in the corner of a tarp or plastic sheeting used for shelter.

    Canadian jam knot: Great way to make a cheap compression stuff sack. Also good for securing a sleeping bag and other items to a pack. Works well for building shelter and other structures.

    A fourth knot I use fairly often is a clove hitch which is handy for lashing projects.
     
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    I'm going to make you work for it a little bit. Look up the knot needed to make it to first class in the BSA. I use most of those on a regular basis.
     
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    Square knot.
    Clove hitch.
    Bowline.
    Tautline hitch.
    Sheet bend.

    I'll expand on this later, but these are the only knots I really use 90% of the time, despite knowing many more.
     
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    These are just what I use, all the time. I know lots of others, I know there's better applications and stuff, but when push comes to shove, I go with the things I've done time and time and time again.

    Bowline. Put a loop on anything, make a larkshead around stuff, tie it off. This is my first knot I think of whenever I have to tie off anything.

    Tauntline hitch. Usually the other end of a bowline. Guy line a tarp? Clothesline? Choir mic support string? This is the one that makes it work for me.

    Square knot. R over L, under and thru, L over R, under and through. My guy lines are all 6', sometimes that's not enough and I need to add from the spare hank. Ties two lines together. Not supposed to use on different diameter lines, but.....

    Double overhand knot. 'Cause sometimes you just a stopper or to tie something off. This holds a ton better imho.

    And then just an overhand knot, like tying a shoe.


    With these I've gotten by just fine for many years. I wish I could think of others when I need to. I even carry those knot flash cards sometimes to practice, but they don't stick.
     
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    Knots I use almost every trip:

    Slipknot: for the starting end of a ridgeline or bush chair. Leave the tail long, so you don't have to reach up high to untie it.
    Truckers hitch: for the other end of a ridgeline (or holding up the camo netting of a ground blind)
    Taut-line hitch: for tightening tarp lines
    Overhand on a bight: for lark's-heading lines to tarp tie-outs, dummy cords to d-rings, fastening 2 cords together so they come apart easily, etc. Make the loop about 2" long for easiest use.
    Clove hitch: for securing tie-out lines to staves, or starting lashings.

    Tripod lashing: cook fire, bush chair
    Shear lashing: ridgepole support
    Square lashing: other end of a ridgepole

    Less used:
    Prussik: tarp tieouts to a ridgeline (really just a variant of a taut-line)
    Canadian jam: tie stuff that's rolled up.
    Bowline: just good to know. Won't slip.
    Square: just good to know. Good to tie off/end lashings.
     
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    I use the knots from bush craft basic and the truckers hitch that I picked up while working for an appliance store.

    Sent from my A571VL using Tapatalk
     
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    Constrictor hitch-tying bundles together, tying on to begin a lashing
    Alpine butterfly - mid-line loop can be pulled in any direction
    Trucker's hitch - cinching loads, tensioning line
    Round turn and two half-hitches - securing the end of a line around an object
    Bowline - non-closing loop on the end of a line
    Trilene knot - tying terminal tackle to fishing line

    Knots are like plant identification, it seems endless, but use and master a few to start with and it's pretty easy to occasionally add a few more as proficiency grows.
     
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    I love that thing! I'll pass it around at camp when we get bored.

    Need to look up that video....the Force tells me it will be very practical.
     
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    Tautline for setting up camp.

    Square knot just a general use knot that is easy to tie.

    Figure 8 knot I learned this for climbing has many uses. Can be used like a bowline too.

    Improved Clinch knot for fishing!

    Two Half hitches I use these for tying stuff on the truck rack. Wrap the rope tightly around the rack and secure with the half hitches.
     
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    I have one of those, too. I put a couple short pieces of cord through the eyelet so that I don't have to look for a practice string.
     
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    I'm a knot admirer, so here are mine:

    Bowline - Create a fixed loop
    Tautline Hitch - Adjustable hitch used to keep guylines etc. taut
    Canadian Jam Knot - This is a new one for me - pretty simple way to bedroll or other stuff
    Clove Hitch - Multiple purposes
    Figure Eight - simple but strong stopper knot
    Alpine butterfly - creates a loop in the middle of a line (line must have plenty of slack)
    Sheetbend - for attaching two different sized cords together.
    Bonus: Anchor Bend - just because I like knots ;)

    Oh.. and my favorite knot guide: Outdoor Knots Waterproof Duraguide

    I have the pro-knots card deck and it's good, but this one has a few more useful knots with great color illustrations and is easier to dig out while being even lighter.
     
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    Bowline
    Tautline Hitch
    Square Knot
    Figure Eight (standard and on a bight)
    Monkey Braid (not really a knot, but great for storing and deploying rope)
     
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  15. Youcantreadinthedark

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    I use regularly:
    tautline hitch
    clove hitch
    bowline
    perfection loop (angler's loop)
    diamond knot (in orange 550, on all knife lanyards and all zipper pulls)
    canadian jam
    sheet bend
    alpine butterfly

    and two that I haven't seen mentioned yet consider crucial -

    evenk hitch
    the (almighty) jug knot



    there are a lot of great knots listed, and it wouldn't hurt to learn a bunch. There are generally several knots that will do well for a certain job, and I think most people settle on the five or six they prefer for any given set of tasks. Plenty of ways to skin cats.
     
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    Blakes hitch - similar to tautline,but does not tend to run like a tautline. Tends to be better for heavier climbers
    Clove hitch - many uses
    Bowline or running bowline- Can be put under very heavy loads and still be easily untied
    Klemheist - use similar to prussic for tarp setups but much easier and faster to tie
    single or double fishermans knot - great for making loops for using with the klemheist or prussic
    and about 50 more but these are my most used
     
  17. BalsamFur

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    Pardon my brevity earlier. The uses of these knots has already been covered. There are three reasons I chose these knots over others.
    1. They're all easy to learn.
    2. They each have multiple uses.
    3. They can all be tied "slippery". That is, rigged for quick release. You probably tie a slippery square knot at least twice a day without realizing it; one on each shoe.
     
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    Besides those main ones mentioned i often use the fisherman's knot.
     
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    If you can find it, " The Alternative Knot Book" (1989) by Dr Harry Asher is an excellent book of knots. Being an ex-sailor, I am knowledgeable with knots. I feel that being adept in knot tying is an important skill to have in bushcraft.

    Dom
     
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    Hmm.. Blake's hitch - I've heard of it and it's an easy one from what I saw. Never tried it though. Does it work well as a guyline adjustment knot?

    Diamond knot.. looked this one up too - a bit tougher to learn for sure...

    P.S. The "Canadian Jam Knot" is also known as the "Arbor Knot". I wanted to review it to make sure it was the knot I was thinking of (it was), but had to do some searching to find it, as "Groggs Animated Knots" (my go to online from desktop computer) has it under "Arbor Knot".

    @BalsamFur that's a good point. I like having a quick release option with my knots.
     
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    This is some great stuff everyone! Thanks for all of the responses. Just to consolidate things a bit here is where things stand in order of how many times each knot has been mentioned.

    1. Taught Line Hitch, Bowline (8)
    2. Clove Hitch (6)
    3. Square Knot (5)
    4. Canadian Jamb Knot (4)
    5. Sheet Bend, Alpine Butterfly, Figure 8 (3)
    6. Slip Knot, Truckers Hitch (2)

    There are also at least 15 other knots/lashings that were mentioned throughout the thread. As with most things there's many ways to get to the same place, I guess. It seems knots are as unique and personal to individuals as much as anything else. I definitely see a pattern at the top though, so those knots are where I plan on focusing my efforts for the time being.
     
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    the one I like to try is the Canada Jam not. There is some other one's I like to try but I don't know there name's.
    Prov 27:17
     
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    Bowline
    Hunter's Bend
    Lineman's Loop/Alpine Butterfly
    Reef/Square Knot
    Constrictor
    Timber Hitch
    Half Hitches
    Taught Line Hitch
    Prussic
     
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    I forgot the Marlin Spike Hitch and Prusik in my list.

    The Marlin Spike is what I hang my hammock with and the Prusik keeps my tarp right.
     
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    I don't know a bunch of knots, that's why I have the Knots 3D app on my phone. But the ones I've used on any regular basis are:

    Anchor hitch
    Buntline Hitch
    Prusik hitch
    Cat's Paw hitch but more like a reversed Cat's Paw. I like this better for tying off a line to an eye bolt than something like a cow or lanyard hitch if it going to be semi permanent.

    L8R,
    Matt
     
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    My knot knowledge is pretty weak, so I was in Barnes and Noble the other day, noticed a book in their bargain section called the "handy box of knots" which comes with a book and a few lengths of rope that looks pretty slippery and easy to tie and untie for practice. It was 8 or 9 bucks.. I've asked Santa to bring it to me this year.. (finding cheap and easy to obtain gift ideas for me has been tough this year..)

    This thread is great- it'll give me a good list of a few knots to start with!
     
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    When working with my students I try to get them to learn these few knots (which have already been mentioned): bowline, taut line hitch w/ quick release, trucker's hitch, square knot & clove hitch. It seems like 99% of what is needed in a camping environment can be accomplished with these five knots.

    That's all for now. Take care and until next time...be well.

    snapper
     
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    If I'm going camping - evenk hitch, tautline hitch and prusik
    If I'm going fishing - improved clinch, uni to uni and arbor knot
     
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    Go to this website:
    Animated Knots by Grog | How to Tie Knots | Fishing, Boating, Climbing, Scouting, Search and Rescue, Household, Decorative, Rope Care,.

    I also used to carry an 18" length of paracord or 3/16" braided line in my cargo pocket when I was out with my daughter (renewed the practice when I'm out with my wife now) so I could teach her knots.
     
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    Figure eight and it's variations
    Evenk hitch
    Power cinch/trucker's hitch
    half-hitch and prussic
     
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    Now that this thread has served its purpose, let's have a show of "likes" from everyone who, at some point in their lives, figured out that the sheet bend and bowline are the EXACT SAME KNOT.
    Seriously. They're used for different purposes; the bowline for a non-tightening loop and the sheet bend for joining lines of different diameters. They're tied from opposite working ends. But look at the finished knots. They're identical.
     
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    The Sheet Bend is used to shorten a line, not join them.
    Or, am I confusing it with something else?
     
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    That's a "sheep shank".
     
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    Ahhhhh... Yes! It all comes back to me, now! LOL
    Thanks, my friend!
     
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    Sheet Bend and Bowline are not the same knot. They are far from identical.
     
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    Please explain
     
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    [​IMG]

    (I'm really into LOTR memes these days...sorry.)
     
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    Some great knots in the above posts. For those of you that like the Taut-line hitch, I find the Adjustable Grip Hitch easier to tie and
    more secure than the Taut-line. It's shown in this video along with some other useful knots. For some reason he calls it a tensioning hitch
    rather than an adjustable grip hitch but it's the same knot.

     
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    BalsamFur is correct, the two knots ARE related in structure as per: Sheet bend - Wikipedia

    Dom
     
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    bowline.gif cms_20151125114019q9jlc4.jpg
    I think that's pretty self explanatory, those are two completely different knots with different uses. The bowline retains 65% of the ropes strength and sheet bend only 55%.
     
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    Related in structure is not the same as "THE EXACT SAME KNOT" and "identical". The function of the knots aren't even similar.
     
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    Hang on a sec while I work this out...
    Not trying to start an argument. I actually did want an explanation.
     
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    No. For a second I thought I was tying the wrong knot for 35 years, but that sheet bend in your diagram won't hold.
     
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    A sheet bend can also be used to secure a tarp if it doesn't have grommets. I use it with a heavy trash bag (two taped together) to create a tarp.
    Take the corner of the plastic bag and roll it into a rope configuration - that becomes the standing portion shown in post #40 above. Feed your cordage through
    as show in the illustration above and it really holds well. I have used this in very windy conditions and it's a solid set-up. Of course you could use a slip knot and a
    "button" as IAwoodsman shows, which I like as well. The sheet bend is just a bit faster.


    Edit: Found a few more photos of the use of the sheet bend and the button to set up a tarp.


    Edit again: Just noticed the sheet bend illustration in post #40 was not correct,
    you have to go behind both pieces of the standing rope then through see below:
     
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  45. BalsamFur

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    Jack, can I buy you a beer?
    That's something we say around these parts when someone has started an argument they didn't intend. I feel I've misrepresented myself in my earlier posts. I'm here to polish old skills, learn some new ones, and hopefully make some friends along the way. I actively avoid the trolling that is so common on the internet. I hope I haven't upset you in any way.
    Unfortunately, I'm still not seeing your side of this. The function of the knots ARE different. I never claimed otherwise, but the knots themselves, not the loop but the knots, are the same as near as I can tell.
     
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    Try it like this. Tie a bowline. Now cut the loop so the knot in actually joining two separate lines. Now tie a sheet bend with two identical pieces of rope and carefully examine the results.
     
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    I'm not trying to argue. I see what you're saying. You're focusing on the bight that the dead end makes that locks the free running end. That part of the knot is similar to the sheet bend.
    I was stressing that the two knots are not the same knot nor are they interchangable. The only reason I felt it important to make that point is that I have seen a coworker die after falling due to not using the proper knot. It is very important for us to not only know how to tie the knot properly but to also understand the funtion and strength of the knot, also what tying the knot does to the cordage its tied in.
     
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    Balsam Fur, I wasn't trying to pick a fight. Through healthy discourse like this we become better at our craft. I dont hold any ill feelings towards youat all. I do see what you're talking about in the visual similarities.
     
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    Absolutely, 100% agree with you there, sir!
     
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    So, how 'bout that beer now? :)
     
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