lightweight, compact bolt action in hand; mods to begin ...

Discussion in 'Firearms' started by Paul Foreman, Aug 9, 2019.

  1. Paul Foreman

    Paul Foreman Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Messages:
    11,258
    Likes Received:
    31,886
    Location:
    Sellers, Alabama, in South Montgomery County
    ... in light/medium chambering for sub-100-yard woods hunting. i love the way the ruger RARs shoot (just sold my predator in 6.5 creedmoor), but the looks are a little ... off. i like the idea of the ruger ranch hand (name?) but i don't like the dangling magazine. maybe irons instead of compact scope to facilitate toting. my latest glasses prescription is very nice, despite my age.
    ideas?
     
  2. PAcanis

    PAcanis Bushmaster Lifetime Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2017
    Messages:
    8,541
    Likes Received:
    42,757
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    300 Blackout would be my choice.
     
  3. 62flint

    62flint Guide

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2017
    Messages:
    1,016
    Likes Received:
    2,678
  4. Paul Foreman

    Paul Foreman Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Messages:
    11,258
    Likes Received:
    31,886
    Location:
    Sellers, Alabama, in South Montgomery County
    just looked up the howa mini-action in 300 blackout. 35 inches long. 6 pounds. BUT the dreaded 10-round drop magazine.
     
  5. Paul Foreman

    Paul Foreman Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Messages:
    11,258
    Likes Received:
    31,886
    Location:
    Sellers, Alabama, in South Montgomery County
    the 527 is dandy - even comes with open sights - BUT the non-flush magazine. aaarrrggghhh! non-hand totable where a rifle should be carried ...
     
  6. 62flint

    62flint Guide

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2017
    Messages:
    1,016
    Likes Received:
    2,678
    Mine is scoped and carries just fine with my hand just in front of the magazine. They are less than 6# without scope.
     
    Paulyseggs, Wasp, RebelYell and 3 others like this.
  7. MAD Punty

    MAD Punty Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    1
    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2018
    Messages:
    1,309
    Likes Received:
    7,897
    Location:
    Massachusetts
    The Bergara B-14 can be gotten in .243 or .308. If those calibers aren't too heavy for what you're looking for, it's a beautiful and accurate rifle by all accounts.

    https://www.bergara.online/us/rifles/b14/
     
    freebirdfb and central joe like this.
  8. x39

    x39 Hyperborean Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2011
    Messages:
    8,150
    Likes Received:
    36,612
    Location:
    Beneath the wolf pine
    Yes, I really don't get the general fixation on high capacity mags in a bolt action hunting rifle. Interesting novelty perhaps, but anything that protrudes beneath the rifle is kind of silly for general use.
     
  9. PAcanis

    PAcanis Bushmaster Lifetime Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2017
    Messages:
    8,541
    Likes Received:
    42,757
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    I don't mind a magazine. It's a great place to hook a finger on. You don't need to actually grip the rifle when carrying it then.
    But I can understand it's a personal thing.

    One of my buddy's has a Howa in 6.5CM and loves it. Light and accurate he says.
     
  10. RebelYell

    RebelYell Scout

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2017
    Messages:
    312
    Likes Received:
    961
    Location:
    North Georgia Mountains
    CZ American 527 Carbine. It is a classic old school European micro-Mauser. There is not a single piece of plastic in this rifle. Even the magazine follower is steel. The Turkish walnut stock is gorgeous and the set trigger is scary light.


    I bought mine chambered in 7.62x39 Soviet, then dialed the scope in for 124 grain JSP. This is squarely in the 30-30 class of rifle / cartridge combination. Comes with a set trigger, iron sights, 5-round single stack magazine and scope base. There is also a rear aperture ghost ring sight available that fits the rear scope base. I bought extra magazines. The Strike Hard Gear Mosin Nagant butt stock stripper clip carrier fits the CZ magazines and the rifle. The carbine has no problem digesting Wolf steel case ammo. I wanted a compact size appropriate scope so chose the Weaver 1-3x20 scope. This is a light rifle...about 5.5 lbs sans scope.

    1039138A-646D-4C8F-B640-D0B250EFFD66.jpeg

    D4E5FE89-3921-46ED-85D6-BBC323B909D4.jpeg

    957D2B66-FE7C-4125-BE9B-009719820868.jpeg
     
    ExAF1N1, tree-ratsniper, WFR and 13 others like this.
  11. Paul Foreman

    Paul Foreman Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Messages:
    11,258
    Likes Received:
    31,886
    Location:
    Sellers, Alabama, in South Montgomery County
    6 pounds or fewer, without scope, and sub-39 inches is what i'm seeking.
     
  12. Grouse870

    Grouse870 Scout

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    May 29, 2011
    Messages:
    784
    Likes Received:
    1,143
    freebirdfb and ezra45 like this.
  13. Paul Foreman

    Paul Foreman Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Messages:
    11,258
    Likes Received:
    31,886
    Location:
    Sellers, Alabama, in South Montgomery County
    Uh-oh: a Ruger ranch in 300 blk is available with flush mount mag. Hmmmmmm ...
     
    ExAF1N1, USMCPOP, Paulyseggs and 3 others like this.
  14. freebirdfb

    freebirdfb Bushmaster

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2012
    Messages:
    6,500
    Likes Received:
    17,290
    Location:
    KC Metro
    Tika lite 243
     
    Paul Foreman likes this.
  15. TentMonkey

    TentMonkey Scout

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2014
    Messages:
    400
    Likes Received:
    534
    Normal hunting ranges? Hard to beat something like a 30-30, 308 or 243. The creedmoor loadings are neat for long range, and the blackout is very cool shooting the heavy loads in a suppressed carbine/pistol, but within 100 yards or so none of them will kill a deer any deader than a 243, 30-30 or 308.
     
  16. Paul Foreman

    Paul Foreman Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Messages:
    11,258
    Likes Received:
    31,886
    Location:
    Sellers, Alabama, in South Montgomery County
    tikka lite is too long. i've been hunting a long time. inside 100 yards is the rule. compact as possible is my goal.
     
    ExAF1N1 and freebirdfb like this.
  17. ozarkhunter

    ozarkhunter Guide Vendor

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Dec 12, 2014
    Messages:
    2,127
    Likes Received:
    8,414
    Location:
    Western Arkansas
    My hunting is primarily inside 100 yards. This year I hope to put the Henry Big Boy carbine in .44 magnum to use. Obviously not a bolt rifle, but is well under your length limit and just over your weight limit with optics. It is one SWEET rifle to carry and to shoot!
     
  18. Grouse870

    Grouse870 Scout

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    May 29, 2011
    Messages:
    784
    Likes Received:
    1,143
    TC g2 or encore with a 16” barrel in whatever caliber you want. Yes it’s a single shot but it meets your other requirements quite nicely.
     
    freebirdfb and Paul Foreman like this.
  19. Paul Foreman

    Paul Foreman Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Messages:
    11,258
    Likes Received:
    31,886
    Location:
    Sellers, Alabama, in South Montgomery County
    i had not thought about the G2. .30-30 would be nice. meets specs with full-length barrel. a little pricey, but ...
     
    freebirdfb and Paulyseggs like this.
  20. Cwlongshot

    Cwlongshot Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2014
    Messages:
    4,658
    Likes Received:
    9,768
    Location:
    40 S&W & 22 Mag fan residing in New England
    I agree that the RARR 16” in 300 BO

    If we where closer id meet ya at the range and you could shoot mine. You wouldn't want to give it back i guaranty!

    SOB MOA W/Supers all day! Light short and mine flush mag. I haven’t had issues with ruger magazines.

    The 527 is a nicer gun. Im very partial To the Mauser action. I have shot and handled them. That set trigger is a hidden gem too. BUT hi mounted scopes are a major issue for me.

    Another caliber option could be the 6.5 Grendel. A lil more HP than the 300 and great bullets.

    Good luck!

    CW
     
  21. bigbore442001

    bigbore442001 Guide

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2010
    Messages:
    1,100
    Likes Received:
    553
    Location:
    Swamp Yankee Land
    You know what I thought would be a "cool" gun?

    A Ruger M77/44 but with a super light carbon fiber stock and possibly a carbon fiber wrapped barrel. A light but very potent carbine.
     
  22. Malamute

    Malamute Guide

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Oct 23, 2009
    Messages:
    4,048
    Likes Received:
    3,108
    Location:
    Northern Rockies
    I had a CZ 527 in 223. I couldnt warm up to the high proprietary scope ring type, backwards safety and protruding mag. A similar quality gun with round top for regular scope bases and internal flush magazine would be nice. Theres been several versions imported over time, they never seem to last long though.

    For the range you are talking, it seems like a 30-30 would do well. Ive become enamored of the angle eject Winchester 94s. They came without a crossbolt or tang safety when they were first brought out in the 1980s. Clean examples seem to be available in the $400 range. The Leupold bases and low rings work very well, other makes and types seem too tall to me. They came with see-through rings, but the ones ive handled seemed like the worst possible part of everything. Slow to get on the scope, look weird and awkward, and its not easy to have a receiver sight to use with them. I just prefer the scope to sit right where my eye is looking when I throw the gun up to shoot. I can live without instantly available irons. With a 1-4x leupold scope I can clearly see 3 feet from the muzzle, and can see the barrel well in the scope. Theres zero practical loss of speed or close range use ability lost with a truly good scope and and not left on a too high power for general use. One can hit running rabbits with such a scope and set up properly so you dont have to hunt around to find the image in the scope. The target image should appear like magic with the crosshair on it when set up correctly and thrown up quickly.

    The angle ejects seem like a secret to many. I still see comments about how much easier marlins are to scope than Winchesters. Apparently the word hasnt gotten out about the angle ejects that they started making about 40 years ago. :) I think is one of the best things theyve ever done to the 94 action.
     
    PeterCartwright and freebirdfb like this.
  23. Wasp

    Wasp DOWN IN DIXIE Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2014
    Messages:
    16,449
    Likes Received:
    76,276
    Location:
    Arkansas (Central)
    How about 308 at 35" with 5.5 lbs and still get a wood stock?
    I love the Hawkeye Compact.
    https://ruger.com/products/HawkeyeCompact/models.html

    Still say don't turn your nose up at a CZ 527 though.
     
  24. Birdman

    Birdman IG: @ChasingTheBackcountry Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2014
    Messages:
    2,988
    Likes Received:
    10,015
    Location:
    Oregon
    I agree with @Wasp
    Ruger M77 Hawkeye Compact.
    Doesnt get much better than that.

    ETA: They also offer it in stainless w/ laminate stock.
     
    freebirdfb and Wasp like this.
  25. A Seedy Lot

    A Seedy Lot Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2017
    Messages:
    1,480
    Likes Received:
    7,061
    Location:
    NW Montana
    Here is my choice for a compact bolt gun, Tikka compact. https://www.tikka.fi/en-us/rifles/tikka-t3x/t3x-lite-compact

    39.3 overall length and weighs 5.95 pounds.

    I bought a 30/30 barrel for my Contender for woods hunting this year. With a 24 inch barrel and compact stock the overall lenght is 37.5 inches. The 30/30 is a power house for a mild cartridges. 150 grain bullets at 2500fps should perform well on deer out past a long woods shot.
     
    freebirdfb likes this.
  26. rhino on INGO

    rhino on INGO Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2017
    Messages:
    414
    Likes Received:
    1,701
    Location:
    Indiana
    I've had a Ruger M77 MkII Compact in .308 for . . . years. It's an incredibly handy little rifle. At the time. .300 Blackout and 6.5 Creedmore didn't exist, but I'd still go with .308 for ammo availability. I've been feeding it primarily steel cased Wolf .308 and I can hit 10-inch steel at 240 yards offhand without any problems.
     
  27. Paulyseggs

    Paulyseggs Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    3
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2018
    Messages:
    5,172
    Likes Received:
    21,614
    Location:
    CT.
    :7:

    What about a Mini Mauser? I had a Charles Daly but they were imported by Interarms under the Mark X and Remington under the 798 or 799. I can't remember.

    But basically a micro mauser action with a intetnal mag. I loved mine. Except for the mag spring. Really weak.
     
  28. Paul Foreman

    Paul Foreman Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Messages:
    11,258
    Likes Received:
    31,886
    Location:
    Sellers, Alabama, in South Montgomery County
    i remember the mini mauser.
     
  29. coalsmoke

    coalsmoke Scout

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2010
    Messages:
    570
    Likes Received:
    2,110
    Location:
    Forgotten Coast of Florida
    Solid suggestions here. I have a CZ 527 in Commie 30 and it is outstanding. I got the youth Carbine and it is light and tiny. I plan to install an NECG sight soon. I also have a Ruger American rifle in 308 that I chopped to 19" and installed a peep sight on. Although less elegant than the CZ it is super light and handy.

    Unless you're just married to the idea of a bolt gun, don't overlook a trapper length 30-30. They are light and handy and a real joy to carry.

    Keep us posted on your choice.
     
  30. BladeScout

    BladeScout Scout

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2019
    Messages:
    739
    Likes Received:
    2,725
    Steyr Mannlicher Scout or Cub.
     
    freebirdfb and Paul Foreman like this.
  31. Cwlongshot

    Cwlongshot Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2014
    Messages:
    4,658
    Likes Received:
    9,768
    Location:
    40 S&W & 22 Mag fan residing in New England
    I bought one of those over @ Meriden Trading post. ( SILE Distributors) in 223. Not sure why I sold it. Nice lil rifle. I have handled the Remington. Seems rougher... CW
     
  32. Paulyseggs

    Paulyseggs Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    3
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2018
    Messages:
    5,172
    Likes Received:
    21,614
    Location:
    CT.
    Yes the Remington seemed rougher to me as well. I saw a blurb that Zastavia was setting up a US import facility. So maybe we will see them again
     
  33. Paul Foreman

    Paul Foreman Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Messages:
    11,258
    Likes Received:
    31,886
    Location:
    Sellers, Alabama, in South Montgomery County
    the steyr is about three times my budget - and i live in alabama where steyr has its american headquarters ... :)
     
    freebirdfb and Paulyseggs like this.
  34. PAcanis

    PAcanis Bushmaster Lifetime Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2017
    Messages:
    8,541
    Likes Received:
    42,757
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    This one checks all your boxes, but I can't believe how much they've gone up in price since I bought mine :28:

    IMG_0353.JPG
     
    freebirdfb and Paul Foreman like this.
  35. BladeScout

    BladeScout Scout

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2019
    Messages:
    739
    Likes Received:
    2,725
    Ooops, didnt notice any budget parametres. You can still get a good deal secondhand, though hey dont give away the Steyrs.
    If not, there are shed loads of good deals out there for slightly used rifles from other brands.
    Look forward to seeing what you end up with.
     
    freebirdfb and Paul Foreman like this.
  36. BladeScout

    BladeScout Scout

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2019
    Messages:
    739
    Likes Received:
    2,725
    As others have suggested, you cant go wrong with a Ruger.
     
    freebirdfb likes this.
  37. Matthew Post

    Matthew Post Tracker

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2019
    Messages:
    123
    Likes Received:
    666
    I’m saving up for a takedown browning blr in a 300 win mag. It’s not a bolt but it’s nice just the same
     

    Attached Files:

    freebirdfb, GreyOne and Paulyseggs like this.
  38. logan-boone

    logan-boone Guide

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2013
    Messages:
    1,019
    Likes Received:
    3,631
    Location:
    Waters, Michigan
    Oh man! Get a Remington 600 in .308 with a good peep sight and load the round to whatever power you like.
     
    freebirdfb and Akela like this.
  39. Zaveral

    Zaveral BCUSA Friend Bushcraft Friend

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Dec 13, 2010
    Messages:
    917
    Likes Received:
    1,802
    Location:
    NE Arkansas
    Here is another vote for the Ruger M77 compact in .308 win. I love mine. I put a timney trigger in it and it shoots great.
     
    Birdman, freebirdfb and rhino on INGO like this.
  40. Primordial

    Primordial MOA #40 Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2017
    Messages:
    6,757
    Likes Received:
    55,850
    Location:
    Upper Great Lakes
    They sell CZ made, "flush fit" 3 rd magazines for the 527.
     
  41. field-expedient

    field-expedient Misfit Supporter Bushclass II

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2013
    Messages:
    3,604
    Likes Received:
    24,593
    Kimber Adirondack 308, 6.5 creedmore, or 300 blackout. under 5 lbs. no dangling magazine. Length is 37 1/4 inches
     
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2019
    freebirdfb, Paulyseggs and Primordial like this.
  42. Paulyseggs

    Paulyseggs Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    3
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2018
    Messages:
    5,172
    Likes Received:
    21,614
    Location:
    CT.
    Had no idea!:dblthumb:
     
    freebirdfb and Primordial like this.
  43. Paul Foreman

    Paul Foreman Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2012
    Messages:
    11,258
    Likes Received:
    31,886
    Location:
    Sellers, Alabama, in South Montgomery County
    thanks, primordial ...
     
    freebirdfb and Primordial like this.
  44. PERRO

    PERRO Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2013
    Messages:
    2,109
    Likes Received:
    5,219
    Location:
    CALIF
  45. Howie

    Howie Supporter Supporter Bushclass III Bushclass I Bushclass II

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    May 6, 2009
    Messages:
    4,212
    Likes Received:
    11,158
    Location:
    Montana
    20180916_114849.jpg
    Mossberg Patriot
    Inexpensive enough for a trip to the gunsmith for a good tune up barrel cutting and threading. And still be below $$$ of anything else.
    Detach mag is flush fit. 5 rounds and still top loaded through action.
     
  46. Akela

    Akela Scout

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2012
    Messages:
    774
    Likes Received:
    1,292
    freebirdfb likes this.
  47. Paulyseggs

    Paulyseggs Supporter Supporter

    Blog Posts:
    3
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2018
    Messages:
    5,172
    Likes Received:
    21,614
    Location:
    CT.
    What do mean by "tune up"?

    I don't think I've ever held a Mossberg rifle. I know zip on them.

    I do like what you said about feeding from the top and it appears your rifle has a front sight. Is that factory?

    Going to explore their website...
     
    freebirdfb and Paul Foreman like this.
  48. bluecow

    bluecow Scout

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2014
    Messages:
    736
    Likes Received:
    1,836
    Location:
    Pine Tree State
  49. BladeScout

    BladeScout Scout

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2019
    Messages:
    739
    Likes Received:
    2,725
    freebirdfb and PAcanis like this.
  50. BladeScout

    BladeScout Scout

    Blog Posts:
    0
    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2019
    Messages:
    739
    Likes Received:
    2,725
    Awesome rifle. I really like the 600. The forefather of one of my favorite rifles.
    Always interesting to read hitherto unknown (to me) articles about the innovative and nifty 600. Thx for posting.

    An underrated feature. My most used rifle has a two click position option. One posit for loading off the mag and one slightly lower posit for loading single rounds through the top keeping the mag in reserve and with the option of simply slamming the mag home, if you are on a driven hunt and multiple targets presents themselves (as have happened to me on wild boar hunts, as they often travel together i.e. a singular or passel of boars).
     
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2019

Share This Page