lightweight, compact bolt action in hand; mods to begin ...

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  1. Cwlongshot

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    EDF97669-6182-4089-BE24-3748ABC94A7F.jpeg This is how my lil Ruger American 300BO shoots...
     
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    That’ll do, right there ...
     
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    Let’s see light, short, bolt action, deer and hogs. Said you like the 6.5mm . Simple A96 SM carbine. 16” bl. Fiberglass stock. With scope and sling it’s right at 7lbs.
     
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    uh, nothing comes up on the 'net. SM=swedish mauser? i love the 6.5x55. i've built a couple. still too heavy ...
     
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    Swedish Mauser?
     
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    my guess, too. i'm past my sporterizing days. i built a couple of good ones. still overweight ...
     
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    Yes Swedish Mauser.
     
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    In a 6.5, the lil Grendel would also be a good choice. It’s offered in the Ruger I believe but also in the CZ527 & excellent lil HOWA Mini

    Ballistics out of proportion to what ya might think. Trajectory is nearly identical to a 308. While not optimal a standard for many many years.

    TAZ75 has the CZ & We both have the Hown. Nice accurate guns.
    CW
     
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    Good point on that.

    Caliber selection is a factor for sure.

    I analyzed velocity/barrel length/distance, and the bullets required speed for it to expand.

    The lead free bullets I’m using require 1,400 fps to do their work and when you look at something like a 308 Ruger Scout with 16” barrel, it boils down it to being a 225 yard gun.

    That’s OK but compared to 30-30 that does the same thing out of 20” barrel yet similar overall length and weight, and it does it with 20% less recoil!

    It’s definite something to consider. Especially when the Ruger scout costs $1,100 and a common 30-30 levergun can be found for $450.

    That logic is why I sold my 30-06 iron sighted rifle.

    In a scoped gun it’s definitely a great cartridge, but for my shooting limit with iron sights, it was overkill!
     
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    yup. Why is there not a Ruger American with sights in 357 & 44!?!

    Give it a stock like the RAR. Be perfect!

    I also like the 96/44 and the 99/44 too!!
     
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    ruger american compact and ranch are the only factory bolt-actions EASILY available, at 6 pounds base weight. so, 300 blk, or 7.62x39, or .308?

    sure wish i could handle a howa mini in 6.5 grendel before i choose to buy. same base weight ...
     
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    Bass Pro might have the howa. I would choose 308 for the variaty of ammo selection, but the 300 looks like some thing worth experimenting with.
     
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    yep,looked a long time till a found a place in Britain that sells them fits perfect,around $70 bucks.
     
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    I would go 7.63x39. Low recoil. CHEAP!! to shoot. I love shooting so thats major for me.

    IF there was ever a import ban, there is more than enough interest in the North America to make sure there is always ammo.
     
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    as much as i like the idea of traditional lever guns - and i've owned a bunch - i HATE unloading them, by chambering/ejecting rounds. the henry tube-fed rifles are way too heavy. and the little ruger 77/44 and 77/357 - ridiculously expensive ...
     
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    i have located a store nearby that stocks multi-flora rifles. i'll be there when it opens at 10 a.m. ;)
     
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    Still, lever guns rock. Just chop off enough till you get the weight and blance you want:D
    (Kidding).
    [​IMG]
    Whats a 'multi-flora rifle?'
     
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    word play, meaning great variety ... :)
     
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    Yuppers,,, our local shop in the North has 7 new lite weight rifles on sale with optics... $334 Cnd funds / $233 Usd. 223 on up to 308 with the other small cartridges in-between...

    Just need to find the sales...

    Good luck finding the niche
     
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    well, i found - and bought - my rifle: ruger ranch in 300 blk. the store did not have a ranch in blk, but it did have one in 450 bushmaster, so i could handle the rifle. i ordered the model with flush mount mag. price? $390. Beat academy by $40. it'll be here saturday or monday.

    now then, lower power scope, or dot optic, or open sights? i'm figuring an ultra light dot optic, at the moment. i enjoyed the burris fastfire on my AR, but ended up going to a 3x scope. with a lightweight dot, i figure ballpark 6.5 pounds all up with sling and loaded ...
     
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    Congrats. Rugers rock.
    Scope: Im partial to the non-electronic fixed low magnification Leupold Scout scopes, which are used with both eyes open and which are good for longer distances than most credit them for. Im how ever in the minority:oops:
     
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    I think your gonna enjoy the purchase.

    Happy to share what I have found with this caliber if your interested. Just PM me some time.

    Did you get the short stock or std? Mine is short. Its GREAT in the tree stand with a few layers but a lil short for Tshirt summer shootin. My cure is a Neopreen slip on. It comes with a few various thickness pads. But I find the cover itself just right. It pops on and off easily and almost disappears.

    I have had a few scopes on mine. But one it has now is the one it started with a VXII 2x7x33 Matte. Its short light and its a Leupold. :9:

    CW
     
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    Short, light and Leupold. Cant go wrong with that.
     
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    you mounted a scout scope to a ranch? pics?
     
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    an 8-ounce fixed low-power optic - straight power or low power variable straight tube would be nice. ideas?
     
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    Nope, not on a Ranch. Never owned one. Mini, 10/22, 10/77, No.1, SS Red Label, MkII but never had a Ranch.
     
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    Especially on a "Light wt" build, I like to start with a high quality set of opens, peep, whatever you like. Makes for absolutely durable light wt package. Then, if needed, I can add a low pwr/variable optic to extend out in the range dept, and keep the opens for backup in case of failures. I have never had an issue with this out to 225-250 ish in a multitude of configurations, even with these aging eyes...KISS principle. :42:
     
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    I think that setup will serve you well.
     
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    This is the gun I started deer hunting with. I don't like the safety on them but it's a very handy little 30-30. Would be cool if somebody made a 30-30 bolt gun now.

    I feel more comfortable hunting with 30-30 than I would with 7.69x39 or 300BO, even at 100 yards and .308 in a short, light gun is a bit much for my taste.

    In the balance of criteria, I end up carrying a Win 94. Yes, unloading is a hassle and yes, I very much prefer a Mauser style dropping plate mag for a bolt action. But I've never lost a mag (or mag plate) on my lever action. For me, the easy carry and contained unit aspect of the lever action wins.

    Oh... even with my crap eyes, I prefer open sights for 100 yds and less. Faster. Easier to manage in the woods.
     
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    I have a couple of custom rifles built on a Mauser and on a Springfield 03-A3 actions, both weigh in at just under eight pounds dressed with scopes and slings, my MO was to carry them on the first couple of days of my hunts and end up going back to my old mod. 94 30/30.
    About ten years ago I invested in a Light weight "Mountain" rifle, my choice after looking at more than a few was a Browning A-Bolt Micro Medallion in .308, it has premium grained American Walnut with a rose wood end cap and pistol grip cap, a deep bright blue, engraved receiver, a jeweled bolt, and hold three rounds, two in the magazine and one in the pipe, it has a 22" barrel, and I topped it off with a compact Nikon 2x7 power scope and a nylon sling, total weight dressed it two ounces short of six pounds.
    While it's a joy to carry and minute of angle (shoots better than I can hold) accurate all day long, it's a bear to shoot off the bench when sighting in with 168 grn. Winchester Silver Tips. :eek:
     
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    I'm faster with open sights than I am with scopes. I also hate carrying a scoped rifle (compared to a lever gun) and I don't like worrying about a scope in bad weather. For 100 yard and under, I very much prefer open sights. Huge YMMV territory though.

    Can you get iron sights on the Ruger Ranch?
     
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    IMG_20190815_130945.jpg Yes you can "scout scope" Ruger
     
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    perhaps available from dove, but site not updated in more than a year.
    skinner, yes, but front sight mount is gunsmith necessary for a drill and tap ...
     
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    i can do easy carry with a small dot sight on front of picatinny mount ...
     
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    Doves is still going said something to the effect of I build guns not websites haha the other day to me
     
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    Hard pressed not to go with a small compact redot from a reputable brand. My gsr wears a red dot 90 percent of the time.
    Last spot is just right for most.
     
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    Leupold 2 3/4 M8. AWESOME CLASSIC!!

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    I put a peep sight on the rear scope mount and a red dot on the front scope mount. Here is mine without the red dot. It's a sweet rig.

    IMG_20190716_181238106.jpg
     
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    What winged front sight is that?
     
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    Thinking about the Sig Sauer Romeo 5 in the low mount ...
     
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    1917 Enfield. It's driven on and cross pinned. Perfect fit. I found a red fiber sight that fit it on ebay. It's really nice.
     
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    thought i recognized it. your RAR has the 22-inch barrel, right? band wouldn't fit the stubby ranch rifle muzzle, i wouldn't think. but an excellent idea ...
     
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    Mine is chopped to 19 and has a compact stock. It's pretty small.
     
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    hmmmm. my ranch, arriving saturday or monday, has the 16.12" barrel. i'm guessing its diameter behind the threaded muzzle, is a tad bigger than your muzzle at 19 inches. that is assuming the barrel has the same proportions. we shall see ...
     
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    You got the 300 blackout right?

    Congrats!
     
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    Haven't read through the whole thread, so maybe this was already covered. If you're primary concern is to have a compact, handy, medium-range woods rifle to be used with iron sights (receiver sights serve me better) it's pretty hard to beat the ubiquitous .30-30. It's available in four flavors: the beloved Winchester and Marlin varieties and now Henry and Mossberg as well. I think it's pretty challenging to find a rifle more carry-friendly. All these guns offer plenty of hunting accuracy and the .30-30 track record as a game getter speaks for itself. Another plus is, ammo is everywhere and generally cheaper than some of the more modern "boutique" stuff. And if you're a hand-loader, ranges are often awash with once-fired brass every Fall. :)

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    ^^^I’m looking for a light weight rifle for my son and I keep coming back to 30-30.

    It seems that even if I scope it, it has enough range for the longest shot I’d take so ballistically speaking it’s possibly the ideal cartridge.

    I’m inches away from ordering that G2 Contender carbine in 30-30!
     
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    Can you please share details about your rifle?

    That peep sight, front sight, was the rear sight adjustable enough to zero it with that front or did you need to modify something, is the stock’s comb height good for those sights or do you need to squish your cheek into it to line up behind the sights, etc??

    Thanks,
     
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    Here you go CC. This is the thread on my little RAR project. It was one of the first I know of with iron sights. I really like it except I'm not crazy about the weird magazines. The sights work just fine for me. I did a lot of measuring to make sure they would line up. I had to get a higher front blade for a P14 Enfield. The Enfield blades were too narrow so I found the red fiber front on eBay. It works well even though I prefer a flat post. I may try something else later.

    It's a nice package and I have next to nothing in it. It hasn't been getting a lot of attention since I got my CZ527 in Commie 30 but it will probably be my hog hunting out of the boat rifle.

    https://bushcraftusa.com/forum/threads/ruger-american-rifle-scout-project.208093/
     
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    I know you don't like the price of the 77 series, but they are fantastic, well made little rifles. I live in a straight-wall only state for deer so I'm somewhat limited but I love my little 77/44.
     
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