Look at these knives with junk steel

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  1. batmanacw

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    When I bought these knives the steel was considered top of the line. The newest in super steels!

    Now I don't dare to even call them knives! I'm guessing if I try to cut anything they will dull instantly and possibly shatter, destroying my sight instantly. I had thought these older steels spontaneously dissolved once the newer steels came into being. Turns out they were just in a drawer.....

    I took out each of these knives and sharpened them all. Only the Dragonfly had been sharpened before.

    Spyderco Dragonfly 1
    Benchmade 771
    Benchmade 773BC1
    Spyderco Blackhawk
    Kershaw random task 1510

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    I had dozens of knives. I sold most of the expensive ones. I still have plenty of plastic handled Spydercos laying around. Mostly in AUS-8.

    How would these steels rate in today's world? What are the equivalents?

    I had abandoned these folders in exchange for multi tools long ago. Now for several years I've been carrying folders of various types. I'm glad to finally pull some out of storage.
     
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    I'm glad that you're getting back to basics!

    It's funny that you bring this up as I've recently dug out some of my old Case XX slip joints and wondered why I ever used anything else. Between their stainless and their chrome vanadium steels, I've never wanted for a keen edge. It wasn't until I had the internet that I learned how inferior these knives actually were. Boy, am I dumb! I thought that they were good knives all these years. I never realized how truly ignorant I was about how they performed all those years. (Sarcasm is strong with this one)

    So, I went out and bought what I think is just about the most classic of all old pocket knives since I was a kid. A Case CV trapper with the yellow Delrin scales. I have no idea why I feel this to be such a classic. Probably saw them when I was a kid. But I am loving this thing and it takes a razor edge. Already nicked myself with it, so it's mine now! :)


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    I have pocket knives my grandfather had in his pocket when he was a kid . Still takes a edge no problem.
     
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    My brother is truly a steel snob. To him anything less than Bohler M390 in edge retention is trash no matter who makes it or heat treats it. I think he just likes carrying knives, because hard use to him is opening boxes and letters.

    That's a couple of lifetimes worth of steel you got there. You should be good to go for a long while.
     
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    The steel wars are to a very large extent marketing. Simple as that. If you buy into that you have no one but yourself to blame.
     
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    As your friend @batmanacw, I'll forward you shipping cost for those knives so as they will no longer be a burden to you. I happen to really enjoy older steels. Most seem to take and hold a really keen edge. However, I know the desire for superior performance and it is in that vein that I extend this olive branch :)
     
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    I've got one just like it, I use it every day. It's a fine knife, nothing wrong with it at all and if I dull it, it only takes a minute or two to make it sharp again.
     
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    My sharpest cutting tool is my chinese cleaver. The steel type is steel. I bet there is no number. Just.....steel.

    I’ve done ridiculous things with it involving things like winter squash and the occasional coconut.

    I only think about steel type after they invented the internet. :)
     
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    Thats pretty much how im looked down on when people see me with my opinel 8. Looking at it like 'ugh, cheapo stainless garbage'. I think it's a good basic folder and wish i had one years and years ago. I do plan on getting a opinel 6 carbon
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    I have about 90 not-kitchen knives, but I guess I don’t have any super steel ones.

    With all due respect to @batmanacw ’s perfectly pitched sarcasm... I am perfectly happy with my knives in tough and easy to sharpen tool steels. But...

    Those of you who actually use them, are they really a significant upgrade?
     
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    You know I've got 10 times that in SAKs, Opinels, and all kinds of other knives.....:p

    I've got 50 lifetimes of steel! :oops:
     
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    You absolutely should.


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    This isn't all of them....
     
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    Myself and @kellyw just had a conversation about steels and we remember when 440c was the supersteel and we both decided we could get along wit 01 or 1095 just fine.

    All three are still super tome.

    Larry
     
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    The shift from AUS 6 to AUS 8 is one of the key factors used to delineate the rise of Cro Magnon civilization over the Neanderthals.
     
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    Oo i like it. How do you like the drop point opinel? Trying to lock down on my decisions of mods for mine.
     
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    I will say that there is a noticeable difference in edge retention between my Spyderco Manix 2 and my Ontario Rat 1. The Manix in s30v is my favorite folding knife (I also have in s110v but prefer the s30v). The Rat 1 in AUS8 is my second favorite folder. I sharpen the Rat about 5 times as often as the Manix. The trade off is that's it's so much easier to sharpen. Love them both and can't imagine not owning either. For the most part, I prefer the more basic steels. I still usually stay away from the cheap gas station knives that are barely better than a tin can lid for cutting. But a good 440 or 1095 will serve well
     
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    I think dropping the point is the best mod of all. The tip ends up much stronger. More useful. More controllable.

    Followed by getting rid of the uncomfortable bump at the back of the handle.
     
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    I'm guessing a lot of them are 1095.
     
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    What is Gin-1 equivalent to? I think AUS 8 is like an improved 440C. What about 154cm?
     
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    The bump was one of the things i knew i was going to get rid of along with smoothing out butt into a rounded off area. second thing is to change the finish of the knife. Probably mod the blade to a drop point then sand off the handle butt to line up with the blade spine.
    Lastly make a kydex neck sheath with a slot for firesteel.
     
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    ...and there I was, cutting up my food, with 1055 no less, ( Gasp! Cold Steel 1055, horror of horrors!) I might get banned...or something. :D
     
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    Get out!:D
     
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    I thought you were joking about AUS 6.... my steel delica is AUS 6 and so is one of my Kershaws! Lol!
     
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    I once thought that a knife that I owned that was made of "surgical stainless steel" was quite the thing. I was blown away when I bought one made of 440c stainless! No more surgical stainless for this kid!

    Steve
     
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    The Kershaw Random Task is a nice knife. I also had an Avalanche at one time that held some pocket time. Edge retention, average to above. But that depends on what your cutting. My understanding: 154CM >= ATS-34.
    My Ontario SK5 154CM works excellente.
     
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    I’ve got a Rat 1 in AUS 8 also, but am disappointed in the edge retention. Maybe I should have spent more than $26 on a EDC. :33:
     
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    Sharpening isn’t an issue for me, so I want thin behind the edge, chip resistant, cut-up-a-hundred-corrugated-boxes just to strop after sharpening...

    .... at $75.
     
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    I have a Benchmade in M390 that I found surface rust on once - after it was stored in the factory box / bag in an apartment. Super steel? Ok then...

    My most carried now are an old Leatherman in whatever they used circa 2000, a Benchmade in 154CM, and a Spyderco Delica in VG-10. And the most used are currently Moras.
     
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    Thought the aus steels were a decline from 440c same with buck.
     
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    Talk about junk knives made with junk steel...check out these turds. 1095!! They probably couldn't cut their way out of the wax paper they're wrapped in. From what I've read online about this "pig iron" is that all it takes is a slight breeze blowing across the edge to dull it. :confused::eek:

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    I'm fortunate that I was born in an age when everything was a bit softer so 1095 was all that was required to survive.

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    I can get all kinds of tingly with some of the super steel made today. Paired with the right handle contours, blade geometry, grind and heat treat what's not to like?
    Give me some stainless steel that has nitrogen in it or M4 tool steel and I am good to go.
    I imagine in 100 years a thread will be posted saying the same thing about ' Remember back in the day when these steels where the best out there?' when everybody is doing bushcraft with a light sabre.
    10x and 01 have served well and will continue for a long time to come I would imagine as the latest and greatest steel blades tend to be pricey and are catered to a much smaller group of buyers/users.
     
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    uhh, you think you used enough dynamite there, Butch?
     
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    I don't know. Are they?
     
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    what kind o steel ?
     
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    Jay Fisher has a good write up on 440c on his website.
     
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    you and me both..............
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    Awesome trappers, boys!

    Here's the rest of the family.

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    My kind of garbage. ;)
     
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    Something old that worked well doesn't stop working well just because something new and possibly better comes along. I never believed in "out with the old, in with the new." I prefer, "keep the old, and in with the new, because the new will one day be old as well and will not wish to be discarded." :)
     
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    I gave a new in the box yellow handle CV trapper to my father in law 10yrs ago, ask him why he wasn't carrying it the other day ," I don't know where it's at ,still in the box somewhere" COME ON, I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS. he's all the time asking to use a knife when he needs to cut something. Guess I'll have to buy me one just to show him what he's been missing.
     
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    I love Case knives. Zero clue what steel they use. It’s my favorite quail cleaner.
     

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