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  1. Park Swan

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    Hiding in my shop stuff, I haven't seen it in over a year. This was a special order from a while back, but I cant find the original correspindence with the client. Basically, someone wanted a work hawk mini, short handled. The goal was to set up the hawk for scout carry, behind the back horizontal. I tried many times to create a sheath that would allow for comfortable scout carry but the weight distribution and the draw never felt right or safe. Plus the added complexity of trying to resheath the hawk blind behind the back. Anyway I can't find the emails with this person, so I guess I'll just make this hawk available with a normal sheath.

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    How much? I might need a backup in addition to my incoming blue one. ;)
     
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    @M.Hatfield Not sure, let me see what the sheath situation is...less $$ than a normal work hawk for sure.
     
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    Looks like a perfect bag axe
     
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    Wow! Specs? Any plans on making this smaller version agsin?
     
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    Looks nice what does it weigh, how long is it overall and how long is the blade? Thanks and

    GOD Bless you and your family

    Kenneth
     
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    10.9" overall length, 3" edge length, .25" 80CRV2.

    Perhaps, it's just a cut down work hawk original without the hole. I believe the waterjet place removed-then-forgot the hole in this one when they were moving my designs around to make them fit on the steel. Although I do feel a little unhappy proportionally about how little material is below the last ferrule. Maybe it makes more sense in this size with a wrapped handle, I think that the customer in this case wanted black micarta and I ran it by to be sure that he was OK with that spacing. And, the new version Work Hawk is already shorter than the old original hawk at 11.9", the original was 12.75. So this design isn't much shorter at all.


    Can't weigh at at the moment, need to find another watch battery for my little scale.
     
  8. Park Swan

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    Turns out I drew up a little guy in my files over a year ago. It's overall length is 10.25". Compared to the Work Hawk V3:

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    That design is a winner!
     
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    Let us know what you will charge for one of these. I am interested.

    GOD Bless you and your family

    Kenneth
     
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    Great stuff. Either way, I'm looking forward to your next batch of Hawks, or this guy if you decide to move it.
     
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    Ditto on this. :dblthumb:
     
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    I must admit to being bitten by the creativity bug. The idea of an even smaller and lighter hawk was bouncing around all night. I had to draw up an idea with my morning coffee today. This is strictly handle wrap.
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    length: 11"
    cutting edge: 2.6"
    weight: .66 lbs with the chamfering. That amount isn't realistic though. .75lbs with no chamfering at all.
     
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    I prefer the top version, (the red/orange design) the swell in the bottom is handy for a lot of stuff. A straight handle isn't as ideal imo. Plus I like the 3 small holes as if I decided I wanted to attach removable scales those 3 points make good attachment spots. The small pry bar on the end of this version is interesting though but I don't know if I'd find it as handy as a swell.
     
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    I agree on all points! This concept I was imagining with the type of wrap that's on japanese swords, that's why I made the handle straight and swept it back a bit.

    I am trying to figure out the best way to make the bottom of the handle for a wrap-only version, because the hole spacing on the handles that accept scales could be better for wrapping. It takes a little voodoo to get the wraps perfect with the design as it is now, which isn't a problem, but it'd be cool if it were more intuitive for people who want to wrap their own.

    EDIT: The other concern is that the angle of the swell gets a little to extreme to wrap all the way to the bottom. Maybe something like this could address both issues. Less swell (since the wrap will add material anyway) and more real estate for wrapping paracord or anything else.

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    I'd buy a ranger carry, with the bites on the back. I like the black too. It looks a lot better then that esee axe. That thing is uggly.

    Thats the perfect thing for shaping spoons and cups in the field.

    Id take one without a sheath too just to use in the shop.
     
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    Looks perfect to me... 3v or s7 or what steel and how much yo? ;p
     
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    You've been holding out on me, I didn't know you were a CAD expert this whole time! lol
     
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    Paint my man... paint lol. I was just trying to get it to look like the handle in your edit then you did it yourself lol.
     
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    This is what I was going for... the red line is direction of swing. one thing I've noticed about handles on these smaller axes is the *choke up* portion gets wrecked because people chop through something soft the axe head sinks in then the handle takes a whack. Adding an attachment hole down further allows for shorter handle scales under the *danger* spot and one could leather or cord wrap above it for choking up. Maybe even do the same in the bottom cutout. Thin TPE type handle scales would be easy to make for the customer who doesn't just want cord but wants extra grip.
     
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    Thanks, I hadn't seen that ESEE before. I guess I've been too slow lately in the hatchet game!
     
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    @Vanitas that makes sense. Personally I haven't seen this be an issue with my hawks, although I thought it might be. That's why I moved the scales further down on the V3 than on the previous models.

    V3 on the left, original on the right:
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    I like the idea of doing a wrap for the top portion and handle below. It's designed to be able to do that, using just the two bottom holes for the handle scales. I just haven't made any like that yet.
     
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    I noticed that on the v3... it's specifically why I'm interested in that model and haven't tried to trade for one on the trade blanket ;p
     
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    Something I haven't seen done..it might be cool to use bolts or ferrules for the bottom two handle holes, and a micarta rod for the top. Then you could grind the handle thickness down from wherever seems just right, down to very thin, and wrap over the scales for the top. OK this isn't making sense, let me make a quick sketch.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Made perfect sense even without the picture. It's something I've been thinking of also. I think you might have a winner there.
     
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    I just couldn't help myself

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    I will leave those to others needing a super high quality tool. :dblthumb:
     
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    whats the story with these?
    are they heat treated?
    what are your plans for them?
     
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    I found a new shop willing to send me very rough, quick waterjet prototypes. These are the same design cut out of .25" 1095, only one has holes in the head. They haven't been heat treated yet. My plans are cord wrapped simple handle for lightweight, packable choppers. If they work out well and folks like them, I may make more later in a different steel.
     
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    Wouldn't 1095 be practical with the right edge?
     
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    Oh absolutely. 1095 is no slouch! A lot of fantastic choppers have been made from 1095. For this application, it's barely cheaper than 80CRV2, about $2/axe. So I would likely stick with 80CRV2 as a default for a full batch.
     
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    How much would a cord wrapped 1095 or 80crv2 one cost?
     
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    ^^^ What he asked^^^
     
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    whats the new weight?
     
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    Sorry I missed this before. Depends on the finish, etc. Probably around 225-250
     
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    The one with the holes finished out at just over 12oz with a 750 cord wrap.
     
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