Looking for a 'hawk recommendation

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  1. Big ian

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    I would prefer one with a hammer poll, and not looking for a showpiece, just an easy functional tool that I can acquire locally or easily (pretty much Amazon), and provides good value for money. I can worry about the fashion once the function is covered.

    CRKT Woods Chogan or Cold Steel Trail Hawk? Any others I'm missing?
     
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    Whatever you decide, you got to glam her up before taking her to the ball.

    Old Steel Spike Hawk and Trail Hawk on the right.
     
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    I just purchased a Farrier's Rasp Hawk from Old Hickory Forge. John Norwood, Blacksmith. John is an excellent Craftsman. I'd recommend taking a look at his work (videos). His forge welding is second to none.

    b/r

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    Got my brother a CRKT Chogan and he likes it.
     
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    The Chogan is a good buy.
     
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  6. Big ian

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    Saw your Trail Hawk vid @IA Woodsman , any thoughts or suggestions for a first time buyer?
     
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    H&B Medium Camp Axe
     
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    Left to right (top pic) - H&B Medium Camp Hawk, Cold Steel pipe hawk, CRKT Chogan with shortened handle and part of the poll removed. All fun to use.

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    Thought I had a pic of the Chogan I modded but I can't find it.
     
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    If you decide on the trail hawk (which I recommend). Take your time and fit the head really well. Throw the dumb little set screw away. Sharpen it up and you’ll be surprised at how well it performs.
     
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    This is easily the best answer.

    The stock Woods Chogan is far too heavy. The trailblazer bit is too narrow. The Riflemans hawk is huge.

    The H&B medium camp axe is a beautiful useful piece of work.
     
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    That could be true for you, but his needs and preferences might be different.

    IMO, I like a hawk that isn't paper thin and has a little heft so I can get more power on the chop and for smaller splitting tasks. I'm sure the HB is a wonderfully built tool, but for the price of the HB one could buy a woods chogan and a trail blazer hawk and have some carry options.
     
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    I have the CRKT Chogan and it is a fine tool that will suit the needs in your stated parameters!
     
  14. Big ian

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    Thanks all for your input. The H&B Medium Camp Axe is out for me, it'd be $200+ if I could even get it across the border. Amazon Canada has the CSTH for ~$50, the Chogan for ~$80, neither with a mask.
    What is the weight of the Chogan head alone? The website doesn't have a spec...
     
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    My Woods Chogan is 1 lb after removing the entire poll. I'd guess 1.5 lbs stock. The weight of the small forest axe.

    See what the H&B is on Amazon. Just for kicks and giggles.
     
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    The Chogan is heavy, which is why I removed a portion of the poll. It’s still heavier than the pipe hawk, but it’s definitely not a boat anchor. Removal was easy with a hack saw. There’s still some poll to hit things with. I like it a lot. The H&B is a sweet tool, but for general limbing, smacking things, and chopping up smaller stuff, all three options work equally as well for me. They’re all fun and capable. I had a trail hawk but it was lighter than I was looking for. Notice the use of “me” and “I”....everyone has a different preference and use. It’s a “hike your own hike” kinda thing.
     
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    My version of the woods chogan came with out a hammer poll of any kind, factory fresh. So there is a poll less option out there.
     
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    Exactly!
     
  19. Big ian

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    Not available on Amazon.ca, Amazon USA has it for $140USD, plus duty, so yeah $200CAD.

    1.5lbs doesn't seem too heavy, I like the longer blade length of the Chogan over the 2.5" of the Trail Hawk, but maybe that's just aesthetics.
     
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    I've got a CS Pipe Hawk, good balance of size/heft while still being not too heavy/large. Have a CS Trail Hawk that haven't used yet but I like the smaller profile for pack carry and making own handle if needed.
     
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    Nice looking, shipping is a killer though @ $60CAD, then duty. Ugh.
     
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    I had this same dilemma. I ended up going with a Chogan after a lot of comparison. Big thing that sold me on it was the hammer end seemed more useful and less of an afterthought compared to the Trail Hawk.

    I sanded down the handle oiled it with Tung, stripped the head of its original coating then cold blued it. And finally I made my own sheath (left handed for my left handed use) and leather guard for the handle. It turned out really nice and so far I’ve been really happy with my purchase.

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    Does the beard come sharpened on the Chogan?
     
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    I didn’t catch that you weren’t in the US. I think other places sell the exact same thing. It’s made in India.
     
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    You will notice almost no one uses the Chogan stock. It's a brute. Really a small axe with a slip fit handle.

    I'd look toward the Pipe Hawk.
     
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    My H&B hawk is really nice, but a good wood splitter it's not. Too thin behind the bit. The way cheaper CSTH does that job much better.

    So, I guess it all depends on your needs and expectations.

    Agree.
     
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    I have both. The Trail Hawk is the same or slightly thinner that the Medium camp hawk. I had to thin them both to chop well with the lighter head weight.

    They both split fine as long as the user has any sort of reasonable expectation. If you are swinging a hawk at a 12" diameter log then you must be familiar with the taste of crayon on the windows of the short bus to school.

    If you want to split stuff 6" or less they work just fine with a bit of technique. Keep the logs short and straight grained. I rare need to split much over 2" to make kindling to get a hot fire going.
     
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    I've got one from Jerry Fisk that is sweet.

    If I didn't have that one the offerings from H&B look nice, or MP knives has been known to make some that look fantastic.
     
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    Mine didn’t. I thought about sharpening it myself, but so far I’ve been lazy and haven’t really seen a need to.
     
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    Its partially sharpened...

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    That is not my recollection on the thinness, but I'll check when I get home. I also have both.

    Your comments about the short bus are just rude. I'm sure there are folks on these forums with children on those buses and I'm pretty sure they are thinking the same of you as I do. Not cool.
     
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    You mean like this one? I got this through Dixie Gun Works, a bunch of years ago. 20180816_080609.jpg
     
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    Crazy Crow sells a couple of poll hawks under $30 - I don't know if you have something similar to them on your side of the border.
    they're a black powder/rendezvous (voyageur)/1st nations supplier.
     
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    There you go! I suspected Townsend didn’t have their own factory lol.
     
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    Trail Hawk would be my first recommendation.
     
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    @schapm what's the Bit length on ELIA?

    b/r

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