M43 No Debating it !

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  1. SkipJunkie

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    Absolutely awesome beast of a blade !
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    Not a lot more words could express . Look at the penetration of the well placed cuts .
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    Your collection is growing...;)
     
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    You might consider posting a picture of what you are talking about.
     
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    Based on the picture and the characters "M43" my guess is it's a
    Himalayan Import 17" M43 Kukri
     
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    You are absolutely correct . I apologise , everyone isn't into Kukris so the designation M43 has no meaning .
     
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    What you talking friend LoL ? You know I like my old world blades . Kukris are the next step in my edged tool evolution so to speak .
     
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    You say you like old world blades, so your next logical purchase should be an authentic bidenhänder.
     
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    Would you mind sharing the size, weight, and thickness?
     
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    • Blade - 342.90mm(13.5")
    • Thickness - 6.35mm
    • OAL - 431.80mm(17")
    • Steel - 5160 steel 58-60HRC
    Weight wasn't listed
     
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    Had to look up the Bidenhander . And I worry about carrying my 17" Kukri around LoL .
     
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    Not a good picture but I posted a full shot of the HI M43 . The specs were listed above with exception of blade weight , 2#'s 1.5oz's .
     
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    Just a side note the larger size and performance of this Kukri resembles an small axe more than a large knife . It has the added bonus of being able to perform duties like planing or debarking . Some would say digging is another option . But why , one well placed chop at angle will give you a digging stick . I'm still exploring this tools capabilities but so far I'm liking the Nepalese kukri overall . But be warned choosing a Kukri is not a plug and play decision .
     
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    The M43 is the WWII pattern Gurkha knife, right?
     
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    The beautiful thing about the kukri is that there is a large variaty to choose.
     
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    No they're two different models . From my research the WWll is a beast in it's own right though .
     
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    OP, what are the specs on that M43. The proportions look a bit off to me.

    Here's mine.

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    Are you inquiring of the M43 ? If so it's roughly 9mm I believe was stated . 12" blade , 6"ish handle (Tight hand and a half) but doable with a weight of 2# 1.5oz.
     
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    The kukri isn't plug and play, but there are so many options. Mine is a HI 18'' sirupate and weighs about the same as a trail hawk.
     
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    Absolutely !
     
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    17.5" overall a little over 12" blade length 2# 1.5 oz. . Might just be the angle ? I immediately notice the markings near the spine . My Ganga Ram has them , my M43 does not . And my sheath also differs from yours .
     
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    The HI M43 model has changed a bit over the years. They started out closer to true M43 dimensions, but have grown much larger and heavier, with long handles. The WWII vintage M43 was a svelte fighting blade. The one I have is about 22 oz. The HI M43 is a beast of a chopper.
     
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    Exactly right. I'm not a fan of that development. Though I like HIs a lot, I wish they would make more of an effort at consistency. Especially with something like the M43 model, the historical inspiration of which had definite dimensions. I understand that forged, handmade blades will have variations, but the kamis at HI take it to an extreme.
     
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    This is why I'm going to give kailash blades a chance for my next kukri purchase.
     
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    Just for reference I dug up an old pic of my Mk. II collection. It's a low quality pic and before I really cleaned them up. The 3rd from the top is a WWII era M43. Above it are two typical Brit GI Mk. II khukuri. The rest are a mix of GI and private purchase \bazaar stand khukuri. IIRC, the weights run from 21-25 oz.

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    I was under the M43 was a relatively new design ? Created to be an improvement over the MKll . I really got my facts all turned around somewhere ? Must have been that chronological disorder :18: .
     
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    They definitely opt for heavier than the traditional counterparts . But if I'm carrying a 17" Kukri I'm not exactly expecting it to be too light . As a matter of fact I like the weight for my purposes .
     
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    I think the HI website says, or used to say, the M43 was an updated WWII. Their historical info is questionable at best. I don't mean an offense by that as Yangdu is good people. The HI WWII model doesn't seem to match any khukuri from that era with which I'm familiar. I have one from HI and it's a great khuk to be sure, just doesn't really match any GI khuk I've found.

    Let me start by saying, I'm no expert, just a fan of the khukuri. I did a ton of research and read everything I could on WWII era khuks. Unfortunately, the records on khukuri, even GI khuks, aren't good at all. The Mk. III info may be better. Anway, the Mk. II khukuri was fielded in later WWI and was produced as late as 1944. It differed from the Mk. I khukuri by being lighter, shaped a bit different and having a full width tang with riveted handle slabs. It seems that as firearms got better, khuks began to get smaller. This is easily seen with the ever shrinking Mk. III and British Army Service models. They became more camp knives than fighting blades, though any size khuk is a superb weapon!

    Back to the M43. There is no consensus about where it falls exactly. It is obviously a slight variant of the Mk. II. They seem generally a little thinner and pointier, but not by too much. As well, there was variation in the Mk. II. In the above pics, you can see one Mk. II with a ringed handle. That was an early year trait carried over from traditional khuks. Opinions differ on whether or not it was an actual issued variant. Many are not marked, but the ones which are are simply marked. "M43." Hence the name. Some have said they were made for special use. I believe there is a pic of an OSS "operator" , not sure what else to call them, with one in Burma. IIRC, there are also pics of pilots with them. There was even a small version, which shared obvious traits with the M43, which was named by students of the khuk, the "Air Crew" khukuri due to its showing up in pics with pilots.

    I think maybe they were not necessarily an official issue piece, but saw some wide spread use in the China\Burma\India theater. Maybe they were made semi-official, as some are stamped. It appears that, at least in WWI, regiments and battalions may have had their own kamis who produced different khukuri for that particular unit. There have been many khuks turn up with unquestioned military heritage, but which don't at all fit in with the Mk. I through BAS khukuri. It's very frustrating to try to nail anything down!

    Below is a pic of an M43 (top) and an "Air Crew" khukuri. The handle on the M43 is short. The Air Crew handle is downright tiny!
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    A little off topic, but one of the closest handling\performing khuks to the historic M43 is the Cold Steel Gurkha. It is a superb khukuri and appears based on the M43. I believe I read somewhere that Lynn Thompson either specifically mentioned the M43 or was photographed with one. Below are pics of my CS Gurkha and WWII era M43.

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    This is a Mk. II reproduction made by Tora several years ago. It has its issues, but is the only traditionally made Mk. II \M43 copy I've held that really acts and handles like the original M43. Unfortunately, the main issue with this blade is that the edge is rippled a little from heat treating. Though is performs great even with that problem.

    Here it is.

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