Matches, Matchsafes, Hacks and Mods

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    Here's the place for matches, vintage and modern matchsafes, improvised matchsafes, tips, hacks and mods.

    I recently got another vintage Marble's safe, not that I need another but price and condition were to good to resist. It came with a few very old matches. I believe were Blue tips from the color of the heads. The heads are larger and sticks are longer and thicker than the more "modern" ones I have.

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    My newest matchsafe..."The Firepack 3-in-1 Fire Starter Tool"...I found it on Amazon. Assembled in USA, comes with a jigsaw blade and burning glass (I replaced the jigsaw blade with the ferro scraper). The ferro rod is 3/16" x 2-3/8". It is deep enough to hold UCO storm matches and has a disc of matchstrike material on the lid.

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    My favorite and most used match is the Penny or Pocket size. The one thing that always bothered me is that the boxes would get crushed or fall apart in my pocket. There are vintage matchbox holders to be found...be aware that they may be made to hold obsolete sizes of matchboxes.

    Here is my first attempt at making matchbox holders. They came out well, but construction is fairly complex. Basically I made a wooden block the size of the matchbox I wanted to hold...bent and hammered the brass sheet around it.

    The brass sheet I used - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006MZOBC/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_2?smid=A3SBDOAENTRT1F&psc=1 - also in copper - https://www.amazon.com/Precision-Metals-Copper-Thickness-Length/dp/B0006O1PFO/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?keywords=K&S+copper+sheet+22+ga&qid=1552528140&s=industrial&sr=1-1-fkmr0

    Aluminum prototype

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    Another prototype made from an energy drink can-bottle

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    Brass version

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    New simplified version. Two were made an 1/8" wider to allow a hole for a split ring. One sheet of the brass linked to above will make 6 of these.

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    A Stainless one I bought on Etsy - Celticknotworks - well made but the one gripe I have about it is the striker slot is narrow. I plan to widen it out eventually.

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    Good stuff!
    I notice that the blue tips in the safe in the first pic are kind of shiny. I wonder if clear spray sealer would work to prolong the life of matches and still let them work? Thinner and easier than dipping in something.
     
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    Wow, those brass matchbox holders are amazing, @Spork! I love that size match, too.

    Edit to add: would you call that a vesta match case, or is that a different concept? I'm a little fuzzy on the terminology.
     
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    I've heard of using art Fixitif spray - https://www.amazon.com/Krylon-K0130...ocphy=9031159&hvtargid=pla-303396566284&psc=1 - never tried it myself

    I go old school with thinned shellac like Kephart. it needs to be thinned and I dry tip-up so any excess runs down the stick. In a early Marblle's matchsafe I actually found shellacked matches which I think are older that the ones above. The sticks are very well formed and actually tapered towards the end.

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    A blog page - https://www.briangreen.net/bbb/2009/11/camping-classic-waterproofing-matches.html
     
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    I would not call them Vestas...to me, those are shaped like Zippo cases with a hinged lid and a striker surface. When searching, I would use "Matchbox Cover" or Matchbox Holder" to weed out the Vestas.
     
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    Posted this in the other thread but it looks as if it will fit here as well. Wooden book matches from the mid 70s.


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    While I have never tried it on wooden matches I had a jar of salmon eggs leak out the oil in my tackle box once and soak up my paper matches, they still worked and surprisingly well.
    Shane
     
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    I have a book of paper matches from the Hungry Miner restaurant in Round Mountain, Nevada. The restaurant isn’t there any more, nor is the town! :eek: The open pit mine ate it. I’ll try to remember to get a pic of it.
     
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    I realy like the idea of carrying matchbooks and thoight something like this would be ideal to keep it safe

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    but can't find any for the life of me here in the UK

    I little google-fu later and I found these best of both worlds

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    "The Firepack 3-in-1 Fire Starting Tool"

     
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    WHERE? did you find that?
     
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    Here are the matches from the cafe/town that is gone. They had wonderful soup and the BEST peanut butter cream pie. Sigh...

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    Dang y'all making me want to go into matches!

    @Spork nice moasin knife. Had one of those a for a while before i gave it away.
     
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    Oddly...I just purchased one of these accidentally...it was in my Ebay cart and I forgot to remove it. That's my story and I'm sticking to it! :rolleyes:

    It's a bit tall for Penny matches...the heads just come up to the top edge of the pocket...Standard SAs are too long. The Grocery store (Albertson's) house brand "Kitchen Matches" are a good fit. The sticks are 2-1/8" long and thickness between a Penny and a Kitchen...I got 28 matches into it. The location of the striker strip is a bit concerning, I figure I'll cover the match heads with my thumb when striking. When it comes time to replace it, I think I'll locate the new striker on the opposite lid.

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    You can find some really cool old brass match boxes on ebay... some are actually made to hold the longer matches, others are made to hold a small match box.

    If you're really into spending money, add "silver" to the search criteria and it will pull up some 18th/19th century works of art, mostly in the low $100s.

    I used to own a match case with a screw top, from my boy scout days... sadly, wife convinced me to sell it at a garage sale... stupid stupid stupid.
     
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    A classic improvised matchsafe...35mm Film cans...still my favorite for Penny matches. You would have to cut the striker strips from the box and keep them inside. I would cut them wider and fold over in an effort to make them stiffer. It was somewhat clumsy and I usually sought a hard flat surface to strike on. Many years later, I got smart and started attaching the strips to pieces of hacksaw blade as a backing. I only recently discovered that extra striker material could be bought in self-adhesive sheets. I added them to the outside, but still keep the original ones inside as backup.

    The matches would become a real mashup as I topped-off the cans over the years. There are some old ones in the piles...Blue Tips, Rosebuds, Coghlan's Greenies, Coghlan's Storm matches, Diamond SAs and Dominos. I counted the pile...75 matches in the Ilford film can. There's also a strip of waxed grocery bag paper for tinder.

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    This is an old commercial fire kit in a film can...notice it has strips of waxed paper as tinder.

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    The old BSA matchsafes are really nice...still all over Ebay at reasonable prices if you shop around. The offshore made re-issue is terrible...I don't think they sell them anymore.

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    @Spork the problem is film canisters are a thing of the past. I wish I still had some of those old aluminum ones!
     
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    They aren't for me...they've been with me a long time :D There's more content coming...including newer improvised matchsafe solutions
     
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    One thing I use as a matchsafe is those little tubes that medicine comes in. They hold about 12-15 strike anywhere matches, a piece of striker board and are waterproof.

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    Nalgene wide-mouth 1oz/30ml. It will hold about 25 Kitchen matches. The next size up (2oz) will hold UCO Storm matches. Spot of skateboard tape for striking...aka Safety-Walk tread tape.

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    I've used small prescription medicine bottles like that for larger quantities of matches like in a pack or at a camp. :dblthumb:
     
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    That reminds me that I have a couple older (non-childproof) Advil travel bottles of a different shape and size. I'll have to dig them up for show and tell. They are Penny match size.
     
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    I’m watching one of those on ebay. Gotta wait a few days, too many purchases lately. But, I thought the same thing about the location of the striker. A little piece of aluminum, like from a soda can would make a shield too.

    :33: Why not put the matches in ‘head first’?
     
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    I tried, but I can get more in "head up". I was thinking I'll just go ahead and add a new striker on the inside of the lid and just leave that one in reserve.
     
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    @Seeker like this? I've always liked that you can't lose the top of the matchsafe.
     
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    good to know

    I've one on order
     
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    I had trouble figuring out what this is called AND couldn’t find mine in the clutter on my desk, BUT

    The Polaroid Print Coater came in a tube that is a perfect match safe. Small and water proof. I have one and it still works great, if I can find it. They are available on ebay of course.

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    I remember those!
     
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    Bakelite and brass. K&M, unmarked brass probably homemade, three Abercrombie & Fitch, Abercrombie’s Camp, Superdux, Stevenson, Iver Johnson Sporting Goods.
     
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    OH! I think the bakelite and brass thing is a fuse. I used to have several of those, of different sizes. VERY neat little containers. I found them in my grandpa’s junk boxes in his garage. Lost over the years. :( They were repairable fuses I think, just replace the fusible (hence fuse) link inside and screw the caps back on.
     
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    This one? I always wondered about it’s orig purpose.
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    Yes. They originally had rectangular openings in the ends to hold the fusible link. (Under/inside the caps)
     
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    Yep, these have those rectangular openings under the caps. Thanks, I never knew what it was, now I do.
     
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    I now I have to look for some on the internet to buy! :11:;)
     
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    When I hired on the R/R we had a li’l fleet of post war Alcos(locomotives), they used those inside the electrical cabinet. They should still be available through any large scale electrical supplier.
    And when they overload and pop, you know it, ain’t no “slo-blo fizzle” about it. That’s why the shield casing, you don’t want the rest of the circuits coated in molten sacrificial, dominos ya know.

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    I remember that stuff smelling AWFUL! Thanks for the “blast from the past
     
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    I’d like to give this a try, but the blog post left me with a question. The Kephart quote mentions thinning the shellac with alcohol but it is not mentioned in the step-by-step. How much do you thin the shellac?
     
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    Good question, I would like to know also.
     
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    Yes, that's the one...

    I also have an Exotac small.
     
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    Trial-and-error and probably depends on the age of your shellac (an old can may be thicker) What you want to do is a quick dip and a very light coating to seal and not soak. I’ve applied too thickly before and it will tear up your striker strip quickly. I’ve also experienced squibs too...the head will ignite but not burst into flames.

    I use denatured alcohol (the normal thinner for shellac) and dry tip-up as shown so any excess does not end up puddling on the head of the match.

    Edit: I use the same Bullseye brand of shellac.
     
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    I found this one while digging in old gear last summer. I had bought each of us one when the kids were still at home. Not a bad little kit. It has the compass, a mirror inside the lid, the whistle and a teeny tiny fire steel. The fire steel was glued on the outside and I thought it was lost, but it was in the pile of matches as I put them back in the case. Gotta epoxy it back on. Old white tips and some lifeboat matches it looks like. Plus a piece of striker off the box. I need to get a sheet of that striker material.

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    I made a few a while back for gifts. I cut them from copper plumbing pipe and used a copper cap to solder one end in place. The other cap was pressure fit. I cut and glued a piece of inner tube inside the removable cap to give it a more water resistant seal. It was a cool little project.

    I've still got one in the bottom of my day bag, I believe.
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    Here's a couple I modified...part of one of the ribs were routed out using a Dremel to make a recess for a striker strip taken from a Penny match box. It is fixed with double-sided Scotch tape so they will be easy to replace when worn out. Now that I have discovered striker paper, that will be used for replacement.

    Two additional strikers were taped onto a section of hacksaw blade to be stored inside. The hacksaw blade can also be used on the tiny ferro rod. You only get a few strikes out of the rod, it would be pretty desperate if you had to resort to that. The black spots on the cap are skateboard tape for SA's.

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