Mauser M12 Trail - what have those Germans been smoking??

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  1. CaliforniaCanuck

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    I like what they're trying to do with this concept but,,,,
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    Didn't see any yardage on rear sight ramp, or a front sight hood, or cutouts for stripper clips. With all of those things I could Overlook that god-awful paint job.
     
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    Not unusual. The Germans have a tradition for short handy rifles used by for example dog handlers looking for looking for wounded deer in brush etc. The gent the in the video also mentions this. Often these rifles are blaze orange or the like for visibility. Dog handlers take offense to having pot shots taken at them.
     
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    I kind of like it. Don’t think I would pick the orange stock, but then again, I have taken a shine to the orange Mora Kansbol, Eldridge, and Camp Axe. That stock isn’t far off.
     
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    Sights are for shots taken at short distances in the 50 meter +/- range, as per the video. Very much a rifle for the 'nachsuche' i.e. the search for and dispatching of wounded game animals up close.

    Typical gear for the 'nachsuche' hence the color or the rifle. Bear in mind that some of these hunts are huge driven events with lots of people and fast and furious action on for example wild boar.
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    Nifthy muzzle protector.
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    I like the overall design, but not the paintjob. joe
     
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    You guys haven't seen the Canadian made Ruger M77 based .30-06 SBR with a blaze orange stock. It would offend you so much you'd want letters of apology...

    Aircrew survival gun, best I recall. It too is for a highly specialized role. Form follows function.
     
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    Google 'hello kitty ar15' for a dose of fugly or fun depending on your POV.
     
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    What is the reason for the forward sling swivel not only being attached directly to the barrel, but right at the muzzle? I've never seen anything like that. It's likely to give simultaneous heart attacks and strokes to people who choose to use their sling for support on every shot they fire, regardless of the difficulty of the shot (e.g. freshly minted Appleseed program riflemen).
     
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    That sling is for carrying only. I’d of put it an inch or so behind the front sight. And some of y’all have not been paying attention to rifle dip jobs meant to be attractive to girls and women. And don’t get me started on AR hot rod paint jobs. Same/same. Overall concept is dandy, especially the horizontal swivel arrangement. Very gehwer 98 and good for carrying flat across one’s back ...
     
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    The two position butt swivel fixture is dandy ...
     
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    I didn't understand a word he said...it's like he's got peanutbutter stuck to the roof of his mouth or something!
     
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    See my previous posts in this thread. Rifle is for dispatching game at very up close and personal range. Some of the shots need to be fired very quickly and rifle will sometimes be carried at the ready. At spitting distance (or rather boar tusk distance), the sling is not used nor needed to steady the rifle. Sling is only used for carrying the rifle. Forward mount is excellent for that, as is the rear mount on the side of the stock.
     
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    Why you dont need (nor would want to use) the sling for shooting. This is the Mausers natural environment.
    Random boar attack link. No affiliation.

    There is a reason for the pants in a previous post to be partly made of kevlar. Boar tusks are not to be trifled with.
    I hear the new version come with a brown seat of the pants :D
     
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    make it in 357/38 or 223/5.56 and you have fantastically reliable and handy trunk/survival/home and woods protection piece. yeah lose the orange paint and find a decently simple set of iron sights.
     
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    Slightly out on a tangent; one of those Ruger .44 mag carbines wouldnt be too shabby for that either. Would do for wild boars as well for that matter:)
     
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    Scene no 3 in that video is similar to what I experienced moose hunting about 20 years ago.

    The bush was thick like that and bull charged and stopped short 7 yards from bulldozing me.

    I was hunting with a Ruger No. 1 single shot 30-06, with a scope. In other words, a one shot rifle with obstructed view of what’s coming to kill me!

    After getting home and washing my underpants I went out and bought a repeating rifle with open sights!

    Since then I’ve had hard time accepting a scoped hunting rifle, and still today don’t own one.
     
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    Holy Hanna!
    A bull moose no less. That would trigger an almost atavistic fear in most, I bet. Put ones rifle training to the test as well.
    I love the #1 and have a 458 LOTT.
    I train a lot but sudden butter finger syndrome when charged by a moose or cape buffalo is not what you want. I wanted to bring the #1 to Africa but ended up bringing a bolt rifle Steyr with low magnification scope instead for the same reasons.
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    I don't really see how the miniscule sight radius on that rifle would be of any benefit whatsoever. I'd much prefer a ghost ring towards the rear of the receiver.
     
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    The rifle is designed for short range work, so wont matter. Sometimes ultra short range.
    As per the video, the sights are 'fast aquisition' sights for fast and furious action up close.
    That aside, ghost rings rock. Im a fan.
     
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    I actually kinda love that short little bolt gun orange stock and all!

    That would be a great gun for bear hunting in rhododendron thickets. A great way to be able to carry a rifle while being a driver, if you hunt in a party rather than just carrying a revolver. That rifle is about the same length as my Henry Big Boy .44 magnum, which is what I use now. Just no optics because it's too close to use them to shoot, bull moose or not.




    Yeah, that looks pretty sporty! I think the brown pants would be a welcome piece of gear.
     
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    I realize the rifle is designed for close up work. Just the same, I'd prefer the ghost ring in that role.
     
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    Love the biathlon style sling.
     
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    Thanks for the responses, all. For the record, I am not someone who uses a shooting sling for support very often. My comment was about others who think you must use your sling no matter what distance (and I have met them). I had just never seen a sling mount at the muzzle of a rifle before. I would not make the choice, even given the rationale provided by your responses.

    I get the application for the rifle and I don't see a problem with the way the sights are configured.
     
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    On European rifles its not uncommon to see the sling mounted on the barrel. I personally am not a fan.
    That the mount on the Mauser is near the muzzle, is most likely a by-product of the short barrel
     
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    Yeah, we wont disagree. Im a believer. Ghost rings are very effective and I wouldnt want to do without.
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    Im a sucker for three point slings with (two) side mounts as well. They just plain work.
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    I like short handy rifles for most things. The sights still look a bit close to me, and I like gaudy colors on knives but not guns. Maybe for a target gun but not a utility piece. The sling carry options are new to me, looks useful.
     
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    My next AR purchase is going to be one of those Hello Kitty bad boys, my current AR self identifies as a Daisy Red Rider so the Hello Kitty should be interesting.
     
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    Hahaah. Most excellent:dblthumb:
    Anybody worth their salt should be able to show up at their local range with a Hello Kitty AR15:D
    ....failing that, at least the DEWALT AR15.
     
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    Ah! I didn't think of that part.

    When I saw it, I remembered my early days of shooting ARs and how much you could change point of impact by applying tension to the front sling swivel or by using a cheap, barrel-mounted bipod. After that, all of my barrels were free-floated and sling mounts didn't touch them. I have never seen a modern bolt action rifle with a sling mount on the barrel, so it's definitely interesting to see how people do things in a different world. I'm guessing they use slings for carrying differently than "we" do as well.
     
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    Hmmm... no thank you. I now understand high-capacity mags for hunting purposes.
     
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    The “repeating” rifle I bought after my bull charge was a Marlin 336 in 30-30.

    Some might think it’s underpowered but I don’t think so, and I liked that I didn’t need to lift my head off the stock to work the action.

    I could have got the Remington 7400 carbine but back then they had an ugly scroll engraving and fleur de leaf checkering pattern which just looked ugly to me. If it was plain like the current model I’d likely have bought it!
     
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    I agree I think ghosts rings are fast acquisition sights.
     
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    That sure doesn't look like a job for a bolt action rifle. A semi auto or pump shotgun or rifle maybe. Or lever action rifle. And lose the scope.
     
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    To each his own. One should use, what one feels like.

    Firepower is hitting your target.

    Ill take a short bolt action with either the low fixed magnification EIR scope or the flipped up ghost ring sights any day of the week for boar hunting and have done so repeatedly over the years in various countries (have also used a short custom Marlin 1895 with a EIR scope).

    But hey, I also hunt oinkers with a knife, so dont take my word for it:D

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    I like that stock!
    Keeps me from losing it! Can't tell you how many times Ill lay my rifle down to check something out and I scramble to find it.
    Knives, compasses, canteens, rod&reels, etc etc etc. I'm easily distracted & amused
     
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    Details on the pig sticker?
     
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    Lon Humphrey posted a show winning Bowie of his and I liked it.
    I contacted him and ordered this knife specifically for pig sticking.
    We debated an S-shaped guard but Lon put the ball guatd on there. It was one he had seen on an antique knife and as he put it; "You need balls to go after hogs with a knife" (Lon's quote, not mine):D

    Ive used the knife for its purpose on several occasions and its scary effective.

    You can use other designs and smaller for hog hunting but I like Bowie knives and wanted this one. Since I paid for it, thats what I got.

    Couldnt be happier with it and Lon was pleasent to deal with.

    OAL app 19"/Blade app 13"

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    She's a beaut!

    Nice chompers too!
     
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    It’s a ol school design mostly forgotten but still quite viable.

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    Yes, old design (wasnt it an old Brit army idea?) but still makes for a handy rifle - both to shoot and carry with the three point sling system.
     
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    I watched some different videos last night of boar hunting in Germany. I saw why they put the swivel right at the muzzle and it made sense then, I’m not sure I’d be comfortable having a muzzle between my shoulder blades however. It did keep the rifle tight to the hunter’s body out of the thick cover and allowed him to work the dog, but one accidental discharge will leave them dead, or deaf and a quadriplegic.
     
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    There is a series now on one of the sporting channel. Second season now I thibk. I had been watching these same guys for years on uTube.

    Wild boar fever!

    Good informative show!

    Cw
     
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    Germans may be different, but the hunting I did in France, they almost always had either an empty chamber (bolt or semi)or action open (double barrel) . And only closed/loaded when action was imminent or a stand was reached.
     
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    Not long ago, there was a story circulating about an old rifle that was found leaning against a tree in the mountains (Sierra Nevada, IIRC) , apparently after being there for decades. Wood & steel blend in easily with the background.
     
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    People always plan to be safe, but mistakes happen especially in the heat of a hunt; I’d assume if it was an issue at all they would find a different way to carry.
     
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    Back in the 1980’s there was a request for target shooters to consider painting their stocks is bright colors or patterns to help with the public’s perception about firearms. Even back then the antigun movement was starting to gain traction and it was hoped the gaily decorated firearms would look less dangerous. I don’t know how well it caught on. I was a High Powered rifle competitor back then and ran either an M1A or an M1 Garand and figured what the heck. I shipped the glass stock of my M1A out to a body shop and had it painted bright Italian racing red. The M1 was in wood so I had that clear coated so it looked like a hunting rifle rather than a military one. I did get a lot of razing but a lot of people did ask about the rifles so I did get to pass along some good vibes to people who otherwise might never have approached a shooter.

    Where I hunt it is an orange state, it is not required on the rifle (and I do not believe that would even count toward the number of required square inches of orange) but I would not be too bothered with that blaze orange and black stock.
     
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    Yes same here 400sq inches required viewable all sides. Hat recommended not required.

    If I hunt a “public” area, I have a Cabelas Parka that’s quite Brite. Great pumpkin brite... otherwise it’s a vest n hat maybe some gloves. Personally gloves might be better it’s something many folks cannot keep still...

    CW
     
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    I hunted with a guy who hated the orange. He’d wear the absolute minimum and what he did wear was faded almost to pale pink. Well he got shot at, he’s a convert. Last time I saw him he was looking for blaze orange boots, shoelaces and toilet paper :)
     

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