Multipurpose Pad Info Thread.

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  1. Phantom X

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    So, for quite so time now (close to a year) I have been pondering making some sort of covered kneeling pad.

    I didn't just want to make it a plain covered pad though.

    Well, today Ance and I were talking about the idea some more and I figured I'd throw something together.

    This is just a quick prototype and I would like to hear inputs from you and to gauge interest on this item. This one is 500D Foliage and 400D Blaze Orange. I want to see how this one holds up. The end is held together with velcro.



    So far it is two toned. One for woodsy earth color and one for signaling if needed.

    Used for sitting or kneeling. Has blue foam pad inserted for comfort.

    Pad is removable and then can be used as a large pouch for collecting tinder or whatever.

    Could add some stiffness or shape to a unsupported pack.

    These are 10" x 15".


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    I like the idea of the orange for signalling, but if its going to be used to sit on or kneel on would the orange eventually get dirty and lose some of its signaling effectiveness. Sorry but my brain always starts looking for things that can go wrong. Maybe if it was the earthy color on the outside and the orange on the inside, it could be quickly flipped inside out if there was a need for it.
     
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    you just wash it man, wash and rinse...get dirty repeat...
     
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    Love this idea.


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    I like it, put me down for one if you decide to make them.


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    Yep, washing would be preferred over adding another layer of fabric on the inside.

    That would make it heavier, more complicated and more expensive.
     
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    I am pretty sure it could hold water for at least a little while as well if needed.
     
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    Just put the foliage side down, and your knees on the orange side. That should keep it pretty clean.
     
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    I think that it is a great idea!
     
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    I understand that you wouldn't put the orange side down when using it. Your knees or your butt will get dirty and transfer dirt to the orange side. And yes it can be washed, but over time it will start to lose some of its signalling ability, thus lessening someones chances of being rescued.
     
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    looks good to me..... :dblthumb:
     
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    In case of emergency turn it inside out? I think that even a pretty soiled traffic cone orange would make a pretty good signal.
     
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    How about an orange pad on the inside? If there even is such a thing....
     
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    That's actually a great idea. The inside is also slightly shinier than the outside.
     
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    If you want to make sure it will save your life if needed when you sew it just put a dozen fluorescent bright pink balloons in it like in between the walls....then if in danger or lost ,you take it apart. ...blow up the balloons tie them with your survival paracord....then form a big arrow with the balons pointing at your location , also make a fire and produce smoke
    You can kneel on the pad and constantly pray the helicopter or plane will see the smoke then the pink balloons arrow pointing at your sorry self
     
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    Put me down for at least one.
     
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    Now figure out how to make it a dual purpose item so that you can also use it as part of a gravity filter for a sawyer filter!


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    Made a few minor changes.

    Now using 1000D Water and Dirt resistant Blaze Orange fabric and 500D fabric.

    Added tabs so you can carry it like a pack using paracord or to strap it to a pack for signaling or hunting requirements.

    A Turkey sized oven bag can be used for carrying the water.

    Pad can be included or not based on customer preference. Pads will add $5 to total cost.


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    I'm digging the mk2 version! Cool to see the idea and design develop!
     
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    I did a little dirt testing on the orange fabric...

    First pic is new fabric...
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    Now I rubbed it into dirt and used it like sandpaper on the dirt...
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    Then i used the cold stream water and my thumb to wipe the dirt off the fabric. Its not perfectly clean, but definitely clean enough for signaling...
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    Sweet. I see a place for that in my Umlindi.
     
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    What kind of price point are you thinking?
     
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    I asked a local buddy of mine, who uses my products regularly and knows what goes into them, what he would recommend.

    He said $30 for solid and $35 for camo fabric (plus shipping).

    I would like input on whether or not this price point seems reasonable...



    I found poly mailer bags that will work, so I can include the padding at the suggested price above.

    So it would come with padding and the cover itself.

    Without padding I would subtract $5 for time and materials.
     
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    Seems reasonable to me.
     
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    I guess I should probably ask, what size are they? Not everyone's kneeling footprint is the same. I'm thinking 17 - 18" long and then maybe 12 - 14" wide? For the big guys. (maybe you will need to offer sizes?)
     
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    These are 10" x 15"

    I definitely wouldn't be able to send the pad with a larger one.
     
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    Roger that. I'll make it work!


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    I love the addition of the tabs, especially for the purpose of strapping it to the outside of a pack during hunting season. Great idea there!
     
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    3 will be ready to ship by Wed-Thurs next week when shipping supplies come in.

    1 Foliage, 1 Coyote, 1 Olive Drab

    Claim them in this thread.

    They will $34.50 with pad shipped or $29.50 without pad shipped.


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  32. bowitis

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    I'll take one with pad please.
    PM sent
     
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    I'll take the coyote brown with pad please.


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    These are a great idea. I go through a couple of the OD green military foam pads every year or so because I use them for sit pad and get holes poked through them regularly. Ill keep my eye open for when you get some more in stock.
     
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    OD is still available, if youd like it.
     
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    You've shown this as a kneeling pad. It seems that it would also work for a sitting pad :4:.

    Many folks like to sit without getting gunk all over their butts. Not me, of course. I'm a manly man!

    Steve
     
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    Is it completely OD green or is one side blaze orange?
     
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    This product will only be available with at least one side orange based on its designed purpose.
     
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    Perfect! Ill take it. Ill shoot you a pm when i get back to a real computer in a few hours. Thanks



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    All 3 spoken for, thanks folks!
     
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    What are the dimensions? How long how wide?
     
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    10"x15"
     
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    Why not try an Overton type IV boat throw cushion? They are only about $15. I keep one in each auto for sitting on the ground or a picnic bench. They are too bulky for backpacking but are fine for outings close to the vehicle or home. They are available in safety orange, green, blue, white and red. Walmart, Gander Mountain, Cabela's, Bass Pro Shops and others carry them.
     
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    Because this is Phantom-x's vendor forum where he makes and sells goods to the BCUSA community :)

    As as you point out, im not gonna drag a boat cushion around while elk hunting.
     
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    I'll take one foliage when there ready
     
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    While that is probably a fine product for sitting and kneeling, my main goal when designing this pad was to have a item that would serve many more functions than just kneeling or sitting.

    The main thing I am marketing is the cover. This cover can be folded up quite small and fitted into a pants pocket. The pad is removable and you can use foliage or leaves as the cushion while in the woods if desired. You can use it to carry close to a gallon of water if need, as I provide an oven bag with these. Many more functions even than those I have listed.
     
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    Payment sent via PayPal. I will probably want a couple more when you get to multicam just let me know.


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    I currently have the original prototype without the tabs and i will definitely be getting a version 2 once everyone else gets a chance to get theirs. Guys these things are the simplest yet most versatile piece of kit that has came around for some time. I was thinking of things to do with it and with the tabs you could put paracord on either end and use it to carry fire wood. With it being 1000d plus 500d you could put together a makeshift swing for the kiddies while out in the woods. Heck, without the pad you can fold it up and put it in a pocket as part of your edc, then with a tad bit of cordage you have a makeshift pack in a pinch. I mean endless options.
     
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    These look great! If strong enough you could get 2 and fabricate a nice reclining chair between a couple of trees.

    I do like the idea of flipping them inside out. Perhaps some velcro across the top. Then it could double as a bag. Edit: reread and noticed that it can be opened and used as a bag. Very nice!

    Challenge: If this can be rolled up and fastened so it can also be used as a pillow. Maybe some nice soft fabric on the inside. Then I'm sold. Ah who am I kidding I'm already sold. Looks great. Nice work.
     
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