my "50 mile" get home fast (well relatively fast anyways :) ) bag

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  1. mtwarden

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    a small pack I keep in my pickup, that if the need arises, should get me home in a day, maybe two tops

    it's premised on traveling quickly and steadily, through the night if necessary- rests (if any) would be limited to a couple of hours, so very little in the way of true shelter/sleep systems

    shelter- SOL emergency poncho, SOL 2 person heat sheet, ~ 25' of small dyneema cord, 20x40" 1/8" ccf pad and a 12 hour candle- heat sheet to use as a small tarp, poncho worn w/ candle for heat ala Palmer furnace, ccf pad to sit on

    water- 2 liter Platypus bottle, 6 aqua tabs

    food- 8 bars at ~ 250 calories/per

    clothing- 1/2 buff, light fleece balaclava, light fleece mittens, light fleece jacket, insulating vest, windshirt, hardshell- this combination of clothing provides for a very wide range of on the move temps and weather, layers can be added and subtracted as needed

    * I keep an "emergency" running kit in my truck- pair of trail runners/socks, shorts, long sleeve shirt, windshirt- this way I can always squeeze in a run if I decide to :4:

    safety- N95 particulate mask, nitrile gloves, work gloves, sunglasses (and clear lenses), bandana, lanyard w/ whistle and photon

    tools- multi-tool, small fixed blade

    lighting- headlamp w/ spare batteries, Black Diamond Ember flashlight- doubles as phone charger

    protection- J frame .38 revolver w/ one speed loader and two speed strips, OC spray

    navigation-maps & compass; reading glasses; cell phone with gps app

    essentials/misc- small fire kit (sparklite, mini bic, four tinder tabs, LiveFire tin); small first aid kit (4x4's- four, small roll gauze, celox-two, triple antibiotic, small irrigator, leukotape, alcohol wipes, tweezers, meds); repair kit (duct tape, stainless wire, small zip ties, dyneema fishing line/needle); small am/fm radio; $100 cash & $100 pre-paid credit card

    this all fits in a small daypack, a Osprey Talon 11

    a few pics

    the pack an Osprey Talon 11, not overly big, but holds everything without too much drama and carries nicely as well

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    protection

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    first aid, fire and repair kits

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    shelter bits- only 12 oz total

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    misc bits- nitrile gloves in small baggie, work gloves (Black Diamond Crag gloves), N95 mask, am/fm radio (spare battery and headphones in baggie), Leatherman multi-tool, Black Diamond Ember flashlight w/ iphone charging cord in baggie

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    I believe you without the need of pics ! you need to get Lasik and save weight on the reading glasses
     
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    Would you please tell me more about the heat sheet? Who makes your windshirt? Is the SOL emergency poncho the one you would wear with the candle?
     
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    the two person heat sheet is just a emergency blanket- the SOL ones are sturdier than the really cheap/thin ones you see- have reused them before- it's 5x8' so makes a small wind/weather block or can be wrapped around you

    the poncho is the same material, just in poncho form- with the small beeswax candle sitting between your legs (in proximity of your femoral arteries) it puts quit a bit of heat that is pretty well trapped; this technique goes back several hundreds of years- old scouts used a similar method w/ a very small fire and overcoat when in enemy territory, more recently cavers used a carbide lamp when spelunking in a similar fashion and dubbed it a Palmer's furnace

    the windshirt is Patagonia's military one, they make a civilian version- the Houdini, the military one is a little heavier (more durable) material- wind and water resistant, but still breathes well enough when you're moving that you don't overheat/sweat
     
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    Wow, something from Patagonia I can actually afford! What is the name of the military version?

    Thank you for the other details! That's a nice system.
     
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    Yeah You Need Pics!

    I enjoy your posts.
    They are well thought out.
     
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    I keep a couple freeze dried meals in mine too. And plan on "borrowing" a bike if need be.
     
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    I assume in your case 50 miles on foot in 2 days would not be an issue?
     
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    I think you must have at least 3 more rucksacks than I do
     
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    Cool! Now take it 50 miles.
     
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    Shoot, 2 days is generous for him. 18 hours or so os probably all he needs. Thanks for the post OP.
     
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    unfortunately folks have "discovered" these so prices have gone up, look on ebay for military level 4 or patagonia level 4

    I'll get a few pics posted up tonight :)

    if need be I wouldn't hesitate to "borrow" either

    no issue unless injured, my best 50 mile time is just under 14 hours and this was on a brutal mountain course

    elk season is nearing, so my miles are now saved for them :)

    you're welcome Sir and thanks!

    Danke :)
     
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    I have a few- weakness for sure :4:
     
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    Looks good. My only comment is that I can see the candle melting in the car on a sunny day.
     
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    I really like the Palmer Furnace idea for a one night emergency shelter.

    My only argument against it is that you are doing some hard traveling under stress.

    BUT (and it is a big one)

    You realize you may have to stop and rest.

    Another thought would be to make a slightly more comfortable shelter and get some deeper sleep for 3-6 hours.

    If not, with the amount of energy expelled you will be shot when you reach your destination.

    In reality, in a situation you need a GHB or whatever, once you reach your destination other plans will be put into action. You have to hoof it by foot cause of some major poop storm. It won't be, "okay I am home all is good".

    I realize there are a bunch more variables to this but trying to express alternate thinking.
     
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    beeswax is very resistant to melting; these are in a small tin which further protects them (and stashed in the bottom of the pack)- if they didn't melt this summer, I feel I'm pretty safe :4:

    Valid points. I've thought about beefing up the shelter components, but would require a larger pack, keeping compressed a quilt and borrowing bits from other kits- this is currently self contained and simply left in the vehicle ready to go and hopefully never needed :)
     
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    What, if anything, do you change or add to this list during winter months?

    I will get a bag prepped with food, water, sleeping bag, extra clothes, and some supplies that I carry with me all during the winter months but take it out the rest of the year. Unless, I am going on a multi-day hike then I will leave some food/water and other items the truck in case things go awry. I definitely like your idea of always having it on you year round though.

    Thank you for sharing this list. Definitely some items that I will have to look into.
     
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    ^ not a lot; I do keep a warmer jacket and boots in the truck during the winter that could be utilized

    I keep a dedicated winter kit in my truck with larger beeswax candles, couple of contractor bags, roll of duct tape (partitioning off the cab with plastic bags and duct tape and using the large candles for heat and even melting snow), fleece blanket, metal cup, snow shovel, fire kit, food and a few other bits-it's designed as a stay put or help get unstuck kit. The items wouldn't lend themselves very well to a get out and move scenario (other than the jacket and boots)
     
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    Is there a specific brand of beeswax candles you prefer?
     
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    the smaller ones (4 & 12 hour) I use the Exotac ones; the big ones (72 hours) I picked up on Amazon, can't recall the name, but they also come in tins
     
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    I have the same mil-spec Patagonia wind shirt. Great bit of gear.

    Do you do anything about water freezing in your Platy bag in winter? I'm back living in a cold climate so need to think about this.
     
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    agreed, very nice bit of kit! :)

    I keep the Platy bottle empty in my pack; I keep a case of water behind the seat that I would use to fill it. With a heated garage no worries of it freezing. I've found that even nine hours at work outside in -20 degree temps it doesn't freeze at all, obviously would eventually, but would take much longer than my truck is typically out
     
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    Ah ... heated garage. A luxury I don't have at the moment. Maybe one day.
     
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    I went 25 years without any garage; not fun working on your vehicles in a gravel driveway (especially in the rain or snow)! :4: I am so spoiled now though :)
     
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    Good kit. About the only suggestion I have is something you could use as an ankle brace in the event of a mobility limiting injury. Looks like you have a lot of experience running trails so you know how rolling an ankle puts a damper on things. You can improvise one but they are pretty cheap and low weight to have in an emergency.
     
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    Smart choice on the fire arm too, my wife has a similar S&W. It is a 642 hammer less 5 shot .38
     
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    a small roll of vet wrap tape would probably be a worthwhile addition for ankle, knee, etc injury

    I've gone full circle (in 30-ish years) and have once again become a big fan of revolvers and in particular J frames :)
     
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    I like low profile packs. Osprey is good kit.

    IDK why but I like candles in a can.
    I have this brand that is a bit smaller (6+hr) and it fits a trimmed book of matches perfectly. (I use military MRE type covered in Press-N-Seal.) I figured 6 hours is about my limit with a Palmer furnace at one time.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Two-Pack-o...290701?hash=item3610097acd:g:EA4AAMXQzB5RCpU9

    I have both I will get a comparison shot.


    Fox Labs is about the best spray out there.
    Really Nasty.

    Cone vs. Stream

    I found the cone's range is greatly reduced.
    It will go from your side mirror to just about the bumper of your car.
    (That's pushing it.)

    I Switched to Stream
     
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    ^ haven't see those candles before; do you have a scale by chance? curious how they compare to the smaller Exotac ones

    stream vs cone- less range with cone for sure, but less chance of "missing" in closer quarters :)
     
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    How do you like that Sony radio? I love the Sony ICF S10MK2, but they are discontinued and unbelievably expensive now. A lot of their newer radios don't have great reviews on Amazon.
     
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    Good point, and one I haven't seen (or thought about) in these discussions. Home may be the ultimate destination, but you may arrive home just to find you need to evacuate loved ones or render aid to others. Good points to ponder

    OP, thanks for sharing.
     
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    I wish it had an external speaker vs headphones, but other than that it works well- especially considering how small the radio is
     
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    weighed the two Exotac candles- the 4 hour ones are 0.9 oz, the 12 hour ones 2.8 oz; the 12 hour ones have the advantage of multiple wicks (3) so you can add more heat if necessary
     
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    Well thought out and explained. Thanks very much for sharing.

    Bart
     
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    a few changes- will post details in a bit
     
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    Cool post. Thanks for the write up.
     
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    great kit and impressive athleticism! I am curious. Only one water carrier? or did I miss something other than the Platy? Only because I happened to be looking at my aquatabs the other day, and that particular brand took several hours to purify. I'd imagine you'd have some water to start with?
    I hope those Elk hide when they can!!

    :40::40:
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    That's a well-thought out kit.
     
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    thanks :)

    yup just the 2 liter Platy- it starts full so I've got quite a few miles out of the gate; Aquatabs I use after an hour or so- clear (non turbid) water

    most of the changes are going to be in the shelter area- going with a larger pack (20-ish liters vs 11) so it will afford me a little more substantial shelter

    pics and discussion to come
     
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    blah, blah, blah.
    WHAT ABOUT TINY ELVIS?
    what are HIS accoutrements? :)
     
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    Looking forward to seeing this. ImI in the process of some pack/ kit / gear changing and always take note of what you do. :)
     
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    I suppose it depends a lot on your chosen sleep regime, some SOF fellers here reckon on 1 in 4, others tell me 2 to 3 every 8, when I was in the scouts as a teenager I think it was try and sleep normally. What about sleep until the cold wakes you then walk until warm again?
    Haven't had to think about it myself in a long time as I worked no more than 4 hours walk from home and now I'm seldom more than 8 hours away even so
    Do you still have the UL half bag for this kit?
     
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    A bicycle in the back of my truck might be in order someday just for this reason. Until then a small "over night " bag at approximately 15 lbs is all I have. Contents vary if its winter...
     
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    Two days for you covers how many states?
     
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    If you have a Caldera Cone - the three wick exotac will boil water in a beer can pot. Using all three wicks.
     
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    My kits all start with the 5 Cs. I'd add an Aluminum pot if you don't already have it.
     
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    Nice kit, I’m always updating my ghb I tend to obsess about it every spring and fall before the big temperature changes. I have to prepare for anywhere from 30-90 miles on average so figure I might be looking at 4 days max I hope.

    Your kit seems much more realistic than most of the garbage I see on YouTube. I don’t know what those people are thinking.
     
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    Nice kit... very similar to what I carry around in the truck.

    I also have a roll of rock climbers tape, large bandana, and a sample size bottle of eye wash. Adds very little weight and has multiple uses.

    Actually have rolls of that tape stashed allover.
     
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    thanks all

    @Moondog55 still have an Apex half bag, but not using it for this pack

    @Jean maybe one really small one :4: I'll remember that as I keep larger beeswax candles in my vehicles- would be nice in an emergency to be able to melt snow for water

    the obvious change is the pack- moving from the Talon 11 to a Mystery Ranch Urban Assault which is a 21 liter pack- still a small pack, but the additional 10 liters will be handy

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    I've swapped the 1/8" ccf pad, for a 20x36" 1/4" pad- I carefully scored the pad so it folds like a z-rest pad and fits perfectly in the larger inner pouch of the pack

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    in the second inner pouch I've added a Blizzard emergency compact blanket- the Blizzard line uses some neat technology (Reflexcell) that provides for good warmth for the weight (multiple small dead air spaces)

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    I'm also now able to add a Apex quilt- rated at 48 degrees (it's a MLD Spirit 48 quilt), but added to additional clothing much warmer. This one has a "poncho" hole that snaps shut when not wanting it, so I envision using it like that- a poncho to go over other layers while resting/cat napping

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    the quilt only weighs 12 oz and packs quite small

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