natural tinder is OK, but.......

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  1. bacpacjac

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    Just echoing the wisdom to keep your tinder dry, right up until the time you are going to light it. The kiddos I tried a long experiment with fluffed up Amadou yesterday and it took so long that I couldn't get it go with traditional F&S when we were done. It's usually my go to tinder but I let the moisture get to it.

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    Black English Flint & steel made lots of sparks that landed right in this beautiful bundle but we got no joy. They just died, no matter if I hit rock with steel or steel with rock. :( I didn't dump tin this time though! :D

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    Cool trick!! Thanks so much! Who needs a Roly Poly!! :D
     
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    hello,
    :eek: Amadou soaks up moisture like a sponge you gotta keep it literally tinder dry. It should dry out by itself, don't throw it away. A great learning curve in F&S.
    Regards
    David
     
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    Ha! So even the revered amadou is not immune from the moisture gremlins.

    I hope that my contingency plan is with a very small tin of charcloth inside my tinderbox to be a reliable backup to get an ember going.
     
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  5. bacpacjac

    bacpacjac Queen of the Cups Supporter Bushclass I

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    Dragon's Blood outside yesterday was NOT successful. :(
     
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    I learned a few useful tips in this video, and at 2:20 he discusses a man-made “tinder” we’re all likely to have with us.

     
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    I am not a fan of wet birch bark, this has caused some contention in the bushcraft community where people just can not accept that the beloved birch bark falls short. Fat wood is a far better item to source if available. Check out this woman as she tests herself in wet cold conditions with wet birch bark. You can skip to 8 and a half minute mark to see the struggle start.

     
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    Good sticktoitiveness, but where was the kindling and fuel? She should've had a bundle of finger sized twigs ready to go on the fire. Get your fire prep done before fire starting for sustainability. Thanks for sharing.
    Dominick.........
     
  9. bacpacjac

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    Good for her for not giving up. She didn't make it easy for herself. I would have loved to hear her lessons learned, after she had some time to reflect on it.
     
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    hello,
    @bacpacjac in the words of Lone Waite (Outlaw Josey Wales) "Endeavor to Persevere." :)
    Regards
    David
     
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    Even if you're a fan of natural tinder I see no reason not to carry a robust man-man tinder as a backup. For example, the 4 gram sticks of ESBIT are about the size of a stick of Dentyne gum and will burn robustly for six or seven minutes. A Tinder-Quik is about the size of a piece of penne pasta broken in half. A well-sealed Weber Cube is the size of a large gum ball. Hammaro Tinder Card can be cut to any shape you want. Any one of those will be as close to foolproof as you're going to get.

    I generally use a firesteel when I'm just out camping and messing around, but if it's dark or the conditions are bad I like to have a BIC and some hexamine or something similar as a backup.

    Worst case you often learn from failure but you won't learn anything from dying of hypothermia.;)
     
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    Maybe I’m just a crabby old f@rt but but when I am concentrating on something like starting a fire in difficult conditions (or in front of an audience)I really don’t like people talking to me. I mainly ignore them but if they persist, I can say something I usually regret. Like teaching them a new word or phrase, for example.
     
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    "somewhere having a brew (tea)"
    hello,
    Yes. I had a supply of the barrell or rounded rope wick, which I've charred both the end similar to a slow match, & the complete coil for F&S or ferro rod use, method in fire lighting skills. I do prefer using natural Amadou. I suppose it's each to their own preference of tinder. :)
    Regards
    David
     
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    i was thinking the same thing myself. i was also wondering about any other prep like shavings, curls ect.. to help. it almost seemed like the test was not getting a fire going but get a piece of wet birch bark to light to make a fire. but that's all couch coaching in my warm/dry chair
     
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    always carry chapstick...
     
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    You can fit a boat load of plastic grocery bags into an empty paper towel roll. I keep one in my truck.
     
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    I bought a box of 12 Orion fire starters. It is a mini flare that is supposed to burn at 2000f degrees for over 5 minutes and I think weighs half a pound. Someone here on BCUSA said keep two so the first one can warm your hands then use the second to start your fire. You could just saw a regular road flare in seal the end that you cut with wax or tape.

    As you can see it is not too big.
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    2 pack for $3.75 plus shipping
    https://www.etrailer.com/Accessories-and-Parts/Orion/RN747.html

    12 pack for $21.07 plus shipping
    https://www.etrailer.com/Accessories-and-Parts/Orion/RN753.html

    I also keep these in my wallet
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    On the left is a mixed beeswax and candle waxed clothe 5 inches long and folded to fit in the wallet.

    On the right is one I bought on Ebay and it has been in my wallet for over a year and the plastic cover is coming off, so I plan to buy another so I can see how well this one handled in my wallet for this long.

    It comes with
    Tinder Card
    3 strike anywhere matches
    Credit card size magnifying card
    Smallest ferro I ever owned and a scraper

    But I do like petroleum cotton balls as my main stays and I try natural tinders whenever I can.

    GOD Bless you and your families

    Kenneth
     
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    I filled an altoids tin with oak shavings/fatwood and broke off chunks of a baseball sized ball of pine resin I found and melted it into the tin until it was fully topped up. lights up off of a ferro rod after a strike or 3 and gets my pile going, then I close the lid to snuff it out. Has lasted me a little over a year so far. Saw it on the forums here and has worked wonderfully at altitude.
     
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    My AO is a moderate rainforest. A lot of people don't realize this, but the Smokies get more rainfall than anywhere in the US besides the rainy side of the PNW. It stays pretty wet. The dense canopy of flora hangs onto the moisture, too. The ground dries much more slowly than it would elsewhere. I never go into the woods without some reliable manmade tinder. It almost never gets used, but you can't convince me to leave it at home.

    ETA: I love the Tinderquik tabs, as well as the UGO Sweetfire biofuel squares because they are relatively inexpensive, compact, and can be lit with a ferro rod.
     
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    my winter kit has one of the Orion flares as well as two trioxane packet and one larger LiveFire tin; I keep the same kits in both vehicles
     
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    Yep, I keep an Orion flare too. And a LiveFire. And, of course, the Baddest Bees. :)

    Still not sold on the LiveFire yet, but I'm gonna test it more thoroughly soon.
     
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    i'm another big fan of the tinder-quik tabs. i keep several in each of my fire kits snuggled nicely into a small zip-locked baggie. Also a long strand of jute. and fatwood.
     
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    I was a big fan too, until I tested them against the Baddest Bee Fire Fuses. The Bees put the Tinder Quik to shame! Sort of like a combo of jute twine and tinderquik that is waterproof and on steroids. :4:

    Seriously, do yourself a favor and run a side by side test, especially by wetting them. The Bee takes a spark like nobody's business, is much more waterproof, burns longer, and since it's thinner it takes up less space than the TinderQuik. Just fluff up the end and go.
     
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    All that lighter pine, jute, whatever is nifty, but it's hard to trump a piece of tire or inner tube.
     
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    Used to pack a can of sterno. Pop the top use a twig to scoop out some and either spark or lighter.
     
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    The old trickster " wind proof party candles" are a great add to a kit. Start small fire (candle) make big fire easier. They don't blow out.
     
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    I’ve never lit one with a ferro rod by itself.
    You have to have a flame first...then it’ll burn.

    I have one or two in just about every fire kit I’ve ever assembled.
     
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    I always have fat wood, multivatamin barrel with a fuzz from my laundry dryer on me. It is a really good stuff to start a fire. Egg case cups, cut up, filled with a fuzz from a dryer and sealed with some candle wax... Also ... I have cattle dog going with me on all trips. Dog's coat is always shedding... you can brush dog's coat and have fur from it. Great to start a fire. Also.... horse tail, main... you always can cut a piece to start fire... When you remove a horse blanket, there is a layer of fur... great thing to start a fire.

    It really depends what you do, where you go, how much rain you have...
     
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