New knife passaround

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  1. the_dude

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    I have a custom knife on order that I would like to send off to some of you guys/girls for testing. It has some fairly unique features, and i want to see how it will perform in different environments doing whatever bushcraft tasks you normally do (crafting, fire making, animal processing, etc).

    Id really like to get geographically and stylistically diverse participants

    Criteria: supporter status (if you dont have one, but are a known member with a good history...ok). Be willing and able to document your use of the knife. Pass the knife on to the next participant in at least as good of shape as you received it. Be comfortable with and competent at sharpening a knife.

    I'm not going to give any details about the knife until the roster is full.

    Send a pm if you're interested

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    13. @Kyle363
     
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    List updated bump.
     
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    Whooo-hooo! Thank you sir.
     
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    I am in if you want. I live in a freezing rainforest, evidently. Good test bed for knives.
     
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    Cool, I'm in! This will be fun! Thank you @the_dude !
     
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    Thank you for including me in this mystery pass-around!
     
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    Intriguing
     
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    Awesome!! Can't wait!!!
     
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    Thank you Sir!
     
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    Roster looks full. Let's see what we signed up for. If it is o1, I guarantee its gonna get some character/patina out here.
     
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    The knife arrived in the mail today. I will post some pictures and specs later this evening. It will be out in the mail heading to @Youcantreadinthedark tomorrow.
     
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    looking forward to this..
     
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    I guess it’s too late to get on board with testing.
     
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    I wanted this knife to test out a relatively uncommon steel, and to find out how thin a blade and edge could be used for bushcraft tasks.

    I ordered this knife based on the exact specs that work for me. I'm curious to see how they work for others.

    Blade and handle are each ~4". Blade thickness ~1/16". Handle thickness ~0.75". Weight 3.25oz

    Comes with a simple kydex sheath. It may make a pit stop on its cross country tour to pick up some custom leather.

    The blade is ground @ 8°/side. Really testing the limits for how acute an edge you can have on a scandi grind. I'm interested in edge stability.

    This isnt an esee. Its not a sharpened pry bar. Id prefer no one baton it thru a brick with a hammer, but I dont expect nor want it to be babied. Use it for any and all of your normal tasks (unless your normal bushcraft tasks involve batoning bricks).

    Here is an awful quality late night kitchen table cell phone shot. Lined up with some favorites for a general idea of size.

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    Wow 1/16th thick and 8 degrees per side sounds interesting to test. I’m guessing/hoping this is made from some crazy super steel?
     
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    7,000 layer damascus made from scraps of used tin foil.

     
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    Perfect! I can clean my potato with it then wrap it in it!
     
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    That kind of outside the box thinking is exactly why I chose you for this passaround.

     
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    Alright....let's light this candle
     
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    Perfect it’s about time we start realizing the potential of tin foil.
     
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    Can't wait to see where this goes!
     
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    HOLD THE PRESSES! CORRECTIONS!

    so..now that i'm awake and caffeinated, i'm slightly less of a dumbass than i was last night.

    reading comprehension is important.

    actual specs: slightly thinner than 3/32", but thicker than 1/16". 10°/side grind angle. the 8° i quoted earlier was a different knife, not this one.

    that said, it's still a knife, and it's still on it's way to a ::gag:: virginian ::gag::
     
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  23. Youcantreadinthedark

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    y'all are just mad you don't have cool accents.
     
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    The knife has landed safely, further bulletins as warranted.
    (It's a good-looking knife.)
     
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    This is an interesting little knife...

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    It would fit medium to medium-large hands very well, I think. It is a tad small for my gorilla mitts.
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    It is very thin stock. 1/16th, about dead on, according to my super-accurate FatMax.
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    The handle is well shaped - and by that I do not mean "the fit and finish is perfect", which I think is an empty compliment; anybody with a sufficiently well-stocked garage can produce good fit and finish. It is not perfectly symmetrical (but it is close). I mean it is shaped with use in mind, the way your hand naturally wants to grab the handle points it slightly forward and down, away from the wrist. I look forward to some dirt time with it.

    There's a little bit of visual distortion in this pic, but here it is next to the traditional measurements of 'palm-length handle, palm-length blade' of a puukko.
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  26. CoolBreeze135

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    @the_dude I love the look of this! Where can I get myself one?
     
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    It's a great mystery. We the testers don't know where the knife came from, which I think will produce some really good unbiased, objective reviews.
     
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    Well, I'm not a tester. He can just PM me. ;)

    I know I have seen one of these before, but I can't remember who makes them.
     
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    Can't wait to test this.
     
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    Looks like a, A Seedy Lot knife.
     
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    A little departure from my normal carry, and that's very cool. Looking forward to this!
     
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  32. Youcantreadinthedark

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    Finally got a free minute to test drive this knife a little bit. It's a sort of compact roach-belly design, which is not what I'd normally reach for, but seems well balanced and well-executed. It is not perfectly symmetrical, but it looks like a good pair of hands made it, and the effect is one of competent execution with an eye towards being usable. I don't know what the steel is but there's some staining from today's use, so I'd lean towards 1095 or even o1.
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    It came in a kydex pancake sheath, which I found rode in a back pocket very naturally. It was very easy to thumb the knife out while leaving the sheath in my pocket, but then I'd have to stop and fish the sheath out to return the knife safely. Ideally, I think I'd tie a short dummy cord to the sheath, pull out knife and sheath simultaneously as I needed it and let the sheath dangle, then return the knife to the now-accessible sheath and re-stow in the pocket.

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    I will say this knife is about 10% too small for my hands in every proportion, but it is very much well-proportioned in and of itself. I had no problems with various grips, and some, especially the blade-up grips, were very natural-feeling.
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    That's a good thing, as bad as my hands are, a bad handle will turn me off of a knife very quickly. I was able to use this one comfortably for an hour or so of messing around with it. I mentioned it above in a post, but it bears repeating - I see a ton of pictures of people holding knives in a death grip: tight wrist, locked fingers, blade jutting out exactly perpendicular to the line of the forearm...I don't think I've ever accomplished anything with a knife in that grip. Maybe some really, really fine feathersticks. This knife 'points' the way I want it to, when I hold it in a firm but relaxed grip; my thumb naturally wants to rest on the base of the spine, and it's angled forward, with a good bias towards whatever work you're doing. A+ on that.

    Carving basic notches was a snap. The thin blade makes for a really smooth, deep bite with very little effort. The spine is, however, grievously sharp. I think it's designed for primarily firesteeling, but even the hour or so I used it today made me think I'd take a file to the spine and round it out slightly. My personal preference would be a rounded third at the base of the blade, a very sharp middle third (as sharp as this spine is currently) for firesteeling, and then the top third rounded as well, to accommodate the thumb pressure for the levering cuts in carving I like to use.

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    The tip is narrow and thin enough to be really deft, and the light weight of the knife makes sure you can direct what force you want behind the tip. This dovetail notch is almost chisel-perfect; adjusting the flatness of the cuts was very easy with fine, light passes of the knife tip. It balances about halfway between the first and second bolt, so making really tiny tip adjustments didn't cost anything in hand fatigue.

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    I knocked a little tulip poplar down for bark cordage. Unfortunately, the winter bark was still really crumbly and I couldn't pull any cordage-worthy pieces off, just little finger-long strips.

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    Again, those blade-up grips were surprisingly secure and comfortable. I was able to put a lot of force behind this cut scoring bark, and not worry about slipping off to the side or sliding the blade off of the tree. (I was actively cutting while operating the camera with the other hand, and it didn't feel at all unsafe.)

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    I'm thinking the thin blade is where this knife shines. Working green wood, it's almost as thin as a crooked knife. You can really get fine control and fine entry for splits, laminations, and I guess batoning too.

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    Making a fish spear took a very short time, and I was able to work the thin blade easily on both sides of every point to shape them.

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    Unfortunately my spear-making abilities far exceed my fish-spearing abilities, but it was a nice few minutes.

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    Any guesses?
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    The turtle shell radar embedded in the handle was well-calibrated.
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    There's not nearly enough belly in this blade for serious scooping and hollowing, but through a patient series of light side cuts I was able to get something like a spoon made with nothing but the knife. (Blank cut by axe, such as it was.)
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    This is really my biggest complaint about this knife, and it's a complaint about any knife of this general shape, not just this one. See how high my finger is riding on that handle in the pic below? I do that a lot, and it's why I gravitate towards knives where the blade sticks out not even a little bit past the bulk of the handle. I'll ride that finger up until the blade bites it when I carve.

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    Well that was prophetic.

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    I like this funky shape I got, but I can't go any further hollowing out the bowl with this tip shape, so we'll call it done. You could certainly eat soup with it.

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    So, first impressions:
    -Too small for me, but well-proportioned.
    -A highly controllable, deft knife, but one that might trying to be good at too many things at once.
    -Spine is ridiculously sharp; great for steels, not great for long carving sessions.
    -Sheath and knife make a good package, but sheath needs some indicator for blade-side and spine-side. I'd personally like to see a sheath about half this size, but that's not germane to this particular situation.
    -This would be a fantastic bird and trout knife; I'm tempted to gear up and catch a trout just to clean it and cook it to see how the blade performs. If I get time I'll try to do that, because it'll allow me an opportunity to do some split wood and feathersticks at the same time.

    I wouldn't feel under-gunned if I had this as a primary blade during a longer trip, provided I could rig up a brain-free access system for it.


    EDIT - my bad, what I thought was staining was actually blood, I have no idea what steel this thing is.
     
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    I wear a large or x-large glove but have bad carpal tunnel and osteoarthritis, so gripping slim handles is enervating. I think most of the passaround-ers will find it a good handle size.
     
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    Great review and nice job on that spoon! I can’t wait to try out the turtle shell radar...
     
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    Looks like a Michael prisnell
     
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    i love seeing the word enervating properly used. that means, to me, a review can be trusted utterly ...
     
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    Got it yesterday! Along with a nice little present to be passed along to @the_dude from @Youcantreadinthedark.

    I need to say this up front. I’m familiar with the maker, steel and *probably* heat treatment. I wasn’t aware of it when I originally said “I’m in”. If or when the beans are spilled by the dude I’ll post a link with some testing results of the steel in regards to its abrasion resistance, fine edge stability, toughness and sharpening characteristics.

    I’d like to do a little bro-science and figure out the difference in slicing ability between this thin acute scandi and the more common 3-4mm thick types. I’d appreciate any ideas on how to do so in a way that’s not too subjective.

    For now, here’s a couple of size/shape comparisons to knives that’ll probably be familiar to most of you.

    Top to bottom,
    Opinel 8
    Mora 1
    Passaround knife
    Spyderco bushcraft, maybe not so common but has a pretty common blade thickness and woodlore’ish blade shape.
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    Handle profiles
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    Passaround on left and bottom, mora classic #1 on top
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    Opinel #8 on bottom
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    Spyderco bushcraft on bottom.
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    More to come.....
    Thanks to @the_dude!
     
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    Well, the plan to come up with some quantifiable test of slicing performance just didn’t pan out. So I compared it to other knives in the kitchen mostly. I figured most folks will have a good idea of how a scandi ground knife carves and I’ll share some opinions about the knife overall but I wanted to focus on the non carving knife chores (mainly food prep).

    The unique thing about the test knife is it’s spine thickness. It’ll never be a paring knife in the kitchen but proved itself to be much better at the task than it’s thicker, more obtuse cousins. It sliced and diced better even than a full flat ground benchmade bushcrafter, that was a surprise! It outsliced the spyderco bushcrafter by a LOT, the difference between the mora companion was more subtle but was there. Cardboard, apples, potatoes, carrots, cheese and sausage were all harmed during the production of this ramble.

    The knives I compared;

    Test knife, 2mm spine, 14.4 degree bevel

    Mora stainless companion, 2.5mm spine, 20.6 degree bevel.

    Benchmade bushcrafter, 4mm spine, 7.2 degree primary bevel, 35-40 degree secondary bevel and roughly 1mm thick behind the edge

    Spyderco bushcraft, 3.6 mm spine 26 degree bevel

    Despite the thin stock the blade wasn’t flexible and would likely take a hell of a beating. The only downsides to thin blades that I can come up with are ultimate strength, less spine for your thumb to push on and lighter weight, which is only a potential downside in a chopping tool.

    The height of the blade is ideal in my opinion. There’s enough there to pinch between a thumb and forefinger but not so much to become awkward while pushing on the spine with a thumb.

    The blade shape, just like the blade height is entirely a matter of personal preference. I like it, it’s got a fairly fine tip, a short section of flat edge and a pretty long gradual belly that makes it comfortable to use against a cutting board, tail gait, log or the like.

    The handle is a bit on the short side but I’ve got fat hands. I like the shape though, especially the subtle “guard” or whatever it’s called. It’s nice knowing where your hand is at which way the sharp side is pointing without having to look. Probably ought to be looking anyway but there it is.

    The sheath could definitely benefit from having some obvious sign of which way the knife is coming out. A belt loop would do the trick or a taco style.

    Overall, if you like the mora’s thin bladed offerings this is the premier, last a lifetime or two version. It’ll hold an edge longer, resist damage better. The handle won’t swell with moisture and the grind is more acute. The grind is so acute that it probably needs a TINY secondary bevel. The test knife came with one so small it was just barely visible under the right light.

    The next bit is for the nerds.

    I calculated the displacement of the four knives mention above. I assumed a penetration of 8mm which would just bury the entire bevel of the test knife for a length of 1cm. Because the test knife is the thinnest spined of the bunch a deeper cut would would only increase the disparity between the displacements.

    Results are as follows

    Test knife
    79.4 cubic mm, assigned a value of 100%

    Stainless mora companion
    111.35 cubic mm, 140%

    Benchmade bushcrafter
    120.3 cubic mm, 152%

    Spyderco bushcraft
    145.8 cubic mm, 183%

    How that translates to real life is beyond me.

    Not very exciting pictures I’m afraid but there was a lot of this kind of nonsense going on.
    Thank you @the_dude for the opportunity!
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  44. Jacob

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    Coupla parting pics. The loot is on the wall of an old Indian ruin and the red rocks in the foreground is Sedona. 57D605BC-E65B-4D94-B0A8-E8B52F7DFDC8.jpeg

    Going to have to let this one grow up a bit.
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    Prettied up for @gohammergo
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    Careful brother, she’s sharp. Also beware the lanyard, it’s got wire in it. Please pass on the loot to the dude and send me some shipping info.
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