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  1. Jim L.

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    I thought I'd share a new project and do it as a WIP.

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    Some of y'all may recognise this littl'un from the "How To" thread. It started off as a cut off from another project made from a RR spring clip.

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    I thought that I'd had pics of the forging process but apparently not.

    The result was a small blank with a hair over 3 1/2 in. edge and roughly 4 1/2 in. handle.

    Next comes the scale removal and flattening the sides.

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    I found a few cracks (or inclusions from role overs)
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    cont...
     
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    Another "crack" was found while setting the bevels.
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    Luckily, all of the cracks went away with continued filing.

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    Well, I'm a bit worn, so this is where I'm stopping tonight. 20180529_173830.jpg

    Thanks for looking. I'll take any suggestions in how to proceeding. I won't learn otherwise. Thanks y'all.
     
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    Looks like fun. I know where there is a pile of those spring clips.
     
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    I had no idea a crack could be filed out. I wonder if my buddy knows that? He might think they run too deep like I did.

    Keep 'em coming. Good stuff.
     
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    Good work young fellar. joe
     
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    If your lucky, they can be surface cracks. Only chasing down these cracks will tell.
     
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    Looking good! I never knew that not all inclusions mean the death a forged blade. It's interesting that some run shallow and can filed out!
     
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    This blade is being scaled now. I apparently lost the posts and pics last weekend. I will have to do a catch up set of posts as soon as my working phone with all the pics is charged.
     
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    Here we go again. Let's see if I can get it posted this time.

    Here we have it sanded to between 400 and 600 grit. Pin holes and "lightening" holes have been drilled.

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    This pic is after the quench, before the temper. Quenchant still all over it (the clay has been scraped off for your protection).

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    Next, all cleaned up and tempered. No warps/cracks (whew!)

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    Can you see the hamon?

    (cont.)
     
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    This should be a good little knife. Its already bitten me.
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    Just a wee love nip.:rolleyes: LOL.


    Next cleaning remaining HT scale with a piece of 1000 grit sand paper. That is to say it is not sanded to 1000 grit. Just cleaned up.

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    Here we have the finish "polish". You can still see the hamon (barely) but it should "pop" as she gains patina.

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    (cont.)
     
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    I mentiooned that this blade is being "scaled" earlier. Not quite accurate as I still have to finish the scales.

    First the donor cow bone. "Cooked" in TSP three times to remove most of the oils.

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    "Prep and landing" work. The spongiform bone matter has to be removed. I ain't lyin', it's not nearly as easy as it looks. I also used the dremel with a burring tool (I think that's what it's called).

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    I decided that it might easier to use an angle grinder to cut the bone. I was right.

    The dust was still plentiful, but it wasn't in my shop. :dblthumb: That's also what you might call a "special" odor.

    Got the two sides cut out, now to mill 'em down flat.

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    (cont.)
     
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    Last for today. The bone was flattened on the inside diameter. Black felt micarta has been epoxied in place and initial "milling" begun to ensure thicknesses are pretty much the same.

    I'm going to wait until after the scales have been attached and pinned before completly evening thwm up.

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    Great project! I gotta get my honey do list finished so I can work in the forge....got it built finally and ran out of gas...been sitting since. Watching this thread!
     
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    Well, I had to come up with a way to drill straight pin holes and I sweated the whole process. It's one thing to mess on wood or micarta scales. Bone scales meant some creature had to give a poece of itself.

    Of course I forgot to take pics, but this pic shows what I mean about sweating thr drilling of true pin holes.

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    They're slightly eedge shaped ( they were evened up quite a bit after this pic was taken.

    This pic shows the pins in place.

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    Here we have a test fit of both scales to the handle. 20180609_200028.jpg

    Phew! I can quit holding my breath now. The pin holes appear true. I have to make a new "critter print" mosaic (the other was spoken for).
    Thanks y'all.
     
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    Great work ol boy. You are a true knifesmith
     
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    That is impressive work so far!!!

    During the process, did you only sand by hand or do/can you use a power sander at any point?
     
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    Thanks @jasam for the kind words. I am no master, but I do try.

    @MTplainsman, Thanks for the compliments. I would say roughly 90% of the sanding is done by hand. I learned a trick a while back of using the belt sander to "grind" a shallow angle false edge to the center line along the edge.

    That gives me a highly visible marker that I use as a guide for filing. If there's a large amount of metal to remove I may go ahead and load a fresh 80 grit belt on the sander and start hoggin' away . This leaves me with a really convex bevel that I'll finish off with coarse to fine files to flatten the bevel as much as I can. It will still have a slight convex that I will put a secondary micro bevel on for shave worthy sharpness.

    Using a hardwood sanding block, I then sand or "hand grind" the flats and bevels with finer and finer grits of sand paper, say 50 grit to 600 grit.
     
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    Simply fantastic, my friend! That blade got a really cool looking hamon!

    I'm amazed at your skill at smithing and making so much of your working materials from scratch. Just amazing!

    I'm really enjoying this progress thread....and this reminds me I have a 2 knives I need to be working on! Tomorrow is a new day of progress!
     
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    Thank you for explaining this to me. Very helpful, and I appreciate it!

    Maybe there should be a blacksmithing sub forum on BCUSA? Seems to be several experienced fellows such as yourself and beginners like me that would find usefulness and enjoyment from. Anyways, thanks again.
     
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    Thank you , Sir. You are welcome. I want to say that I appreciate the kind words. I feel compelled to include a "disclaimer" though. I'm am no master Smith. I do enjoy sharing what I've learned.
     
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    You have great attention to detail. That knife if coming out really nice.
     
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    I can’t wait to see it finished. It’s looking great so far!
     
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    Thanks, y'all. Today I'll be working on the mosaic pin. I'll take some pics as I go and post 'em tonight.
     
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    Ok, here we go.If you do this ya gotta have straight wire.
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    If it's not straight, you won't have a true fit or alignment. I have these old iron window weights that are pretty darn flat. I take each piece and roll them between the heavy weights like a roller bearing (already did the copper).
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    All parts gathered and ready for assembly.
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    One thing I didn't get a pic of was of the first pin (large copper wire) going in. One trick I've learned it to put a wee drop of CA glue in the tube to stabilize that pin. Helps prevent the rest of the pins from shifting.

    Now every thing is fitted together. Can y'all see the pattern yet?

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    Now to plug one end with painter's tape.

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    Most pins that I'm aware of are filled with epoxy. Neat thing about that is if you can find the right kind of dye, you can add different colors to the voids within the pin.

    I found that CA glue will do the job nicely and actually seek out all but the most stubborn voids/bubbles. When cured it will be a brownish gray. 20180610_154310.jpg

    Pay attention to the level of glue in the tube or you'll end up cleaning more than you planned on....the work surface....your fingers......

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    Well, that's where we're at today. Gotta hurry up and wait for the glue to cure.

    If anyone else has another way of making mosaic pins, please share. Thanks for reading y'all.
     
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    Ok, the CA glue is cured, so.now to see if I got it right.

    Cutting off the excess wires. Not pictured is thw Drwmel with the cut off wheel. You will see the water on the work surface. It's amazing how hot this gets. It's important to keep it as cool as possible to prevent burning the glue (not to mention your fingers).


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    Now to the belt sander. Still have to keep it cool.
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    Next, a bit of sanding on the sides of the pin to clean off the glue dribble and scuff the surface.
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    Here's the end piece.sanded to about 180 grit. I think I got it.
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    Now a test fit. I haven't cut the spacers yet but everything else seems to be ready to assemble and glue otherwise. 20180611_190225.jpg

    This is the stopping point for today. Thanks for following along with my progress.
     
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    Time for today's installment. I've painter's taped the blade. Not absolutly necessary, but it does make for a few things being easier.
    Note the position of the tape. As applied, it goes under the scales.

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    You then fit the scale in place over the tape and carefully scribe thru the tape.

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    Now pull the scales off and remove the tape that would be under the scale.

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    I didn't take pics of fitting the liner material. In this case I used red felt.

    Everything was test fitted one more time, and glued with a long cure epoxy. Medium grip spring clamps applied while hand squozing (that is a word) the scales together. You really don't want to clamp too tightly because too much of the glue would be expressed from the joints.

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    The ( my) reason for using "raw" felt when attaching scales to the knife was as the clamps compress, the felt will, to a large degree, fill into voids such as "lightening" holes, divots, hammer marks etc., and become a form fitted piece of micarta as curing takes place.

    Time to hurry up and wait some more while the epoxy cures. I would welcome comments or suggestions on doing any of the above or following guys.

    Thanks again for looking.
     
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    That knife is coming out great. Thanks for sharing your process with such good pictures.
     
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    @Jim L. There you go again! Good job brawdy!
     
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    Looking really good really good.
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    Can't wait to see how this turns out!
    And thank you for the tip- I like the idea of cutting the painters tape when dry fitting; keeps the blade free of epoxy.
     
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    Yard work is finished for the day. Back to this project. I released the clamps. Everything looks good so far.

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    I decided to make a new tool. The curved cutting edge helps to cut the felt away. 20180615_180802.jpg

    It worked pretty well. I think I'll put a handle on it when I get done.

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    Now to trim the pins down to the scales. 20180615_185433.jpg

    Next I start working on the handle profile.

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    Pins are smoothed down and profile started. We've finished for the day. Way too hot. All this bone dust is sticking to me. 20180615_190401.jpg

    Thanks for looking.
     

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    Wow great work sir. I saved some bone to try something like this. You stated you boiled it in TSP to get the oils out, what is that?
     
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    TSP is TriSodium Phosphate. It's used in some applications in preppin some metals for painting. Also for getting grease stains out of concrete. A very strong degreaser.
     
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    Nice work! I learned a few tips from you too! The masking tape trick and the raw felt liners are very clever. I have now stored those ideas into my hair covered computer.

    I think that bone handle is going to look great with those redliners.
     
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    Thanks Jim I would not of known that
     
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