New revolver but can not decide

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  1. A Seedy Lot

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    I have not bought a revolver in 25 years and since i am getting rid of my Glock20 i am need of a new trail pistol.

    I keep going back and forth between two different Rugers.

    GP100 model 1761
    44 Special with 3 inch barrel
    36 ounces

    SP101 model 5771
    357 Magnum with a 4.2 inch barrel
    29.5 ounces

    Either will work for a kit gun for me and serve a protection role. I do have reloading equipment already for both calibers.

    Any thoughts?
     
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    I've been eyeing that light weight S&W .22LR kit gun lately.
    317 I think. Just just need a .22 double action revolver.
     
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    Well as you reload, is weight a consideration for you?? Are you not going to take the GP one day 'cause it's a little too heavy?? I see your location. Ever bump into grizz while your out and about??

    I like both platforms but do not shoot 44spl. so I have no insight there. If I lived in grizz land would I take my .357 GP with Buffalo Bore ammo or would I step up to a 44mag??

    I like a little more barrel in a field gun for what that's worth.
     
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    I do live in Grizzly country but have not had any issue in 40 years of wood rambling. I do have a Ruger Super Red Hawk but i do not carry it as it is a tank.

    I have been charged by one wounded black bear during archery season, and a 260 grain WFN hardcast bullets at 44 special velocity dropped the bear exiting behind rear rib.

    Pros and Cons for all decisions and both guns is not an issue.
     
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    If you don't reload .357
     
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    the gp 100 seems heavy for a .44 special, but i like the barrel length. i'm old, and my hips are skinny. can't imagine toting that much weight on one side. the sp101 come in a 3-inch version? would lose a couple of ounces. you hand load, so .44 special ammo isn't an availability concern. so, i am zero help ... :)
     
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    I'll make a suggestion and it's just that, dont get the 317

    Unless you will only be shooting little amounts here and there. With high volume it gets hot and extracting cases takes a mallet or push against something hard.

    If you want reliable and the same size get the smith and wesson 63
     
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    I don't like the grips on the sp101, of those two I like the GP.
     
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    GP 100.
    Six shots, nice size frame, comes with better grips...
     
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    Handle both of them, get the one that pleases you. Simple.
     
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    SP101 with the hogue grips. Weight.
     
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    I like both of those guns, but a 5 shot 44 spec @ 36oz is not heavy. ;)

    A standard 4" K frame is the same weight.
     
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    44 spl. Since you are in Elmer Kieth country.
     
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    S&W have the new mdl19 .357. Can’t get much better. 38’s or 357. Or there is the 686 in 6 and 7 shot versions,
     
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    I have a .44 Spl. GP100 and a .357 SP101 (short barrel). I like them both, but as a "trail gun", I would lean toward the .357 for its ammo versatility/variety and portability. I usually carry mild .38 Spl. reloads in my SP101 and a few Magnums for more serious chores. There are a lot of better grips available for the SP, notably Pachmayr and Hogue.
     
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    Since I own both but both are .357 this is me. When I am out bumming in the woods and wearing an OWB holster I take the GP100. When I am wearing my HPG chest rig I take the 101. It just fits better and I can get it out quickly. But that is the only time I carry it because I like the grips and fit of the GP100 better. My GP100 is ALWAYS on my side while hunting except for in the duck boat. Then it rides in by blind bag. The chest rig in my profile pic has the 101 in it...
     
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    image.jpeg I have the .44 SPl Ruger. Great revolver...load it mild to wild! Quite accurate. Ve y well made and finished.

    Easier on my hands than .44 mag or hot .357.

    Regards,

    ezra
     
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    The 44 Special is a good round. Easy on the hand and more power than the .38 Special. The only drawback is that you can't shoot .44 Magnums out of the .44 Special whereas you can shoot Specials from a Magnum. That being said Elmer Keith's carry pistol was a .44Special( Google Elmer Keith's #5). I shoot .44Special from my .44Magnums all the time and they are sufficient for any task but I do Barney Fife a few Magnums for just in case.
     
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    Out of those two, I'd go .357 SP101, for a few reasons.
    1. Longer barrel on the SP101
    (1.a)Longer sight radius
    (1.b)Efficient burn
    (1.c)Less muzzle rise
    2. Lighter gun
    3. More versatile with off the shelf loads, and can be found anywhere.
    4. .357 makes more power, and a better penetrator

    Compare Buffalo bores Heavy .44 special vs their Heavy .357 Mag:
    .44 special makes 566 ft/lbs
    .357 makes 783 ft/lbs
     
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    Of your two choices the 44Spl hands down.

    But question. Why are you leaving the 10mm?

    If because you have problem with that caliber, enough said your decision what ever. If your leavibg Glock not 10mm then look at the 10mm GP 100!!

    Im a 10mm fan and had t thought allot about it. But saw a couple videos and threads across the internet and I was hooked. I went to a couple shops till I found one. Ultimeately I talked myaelf out of one because It wont do a thing my G29 cannot. I also dont feel its worth 800$. (ANY GO 100). But if your fine with that cost and still appreciate the 10mm that might be another option for you.

    I had a 44spl made from a old 3screw small frame black hawk about twenty years ago. My pop liked it allot so I gave it to him! Its super nice!


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    CW beat me to it... I have one of the GP-100 MCs and it is a great gun... That and one can run .40 S&W...

    But of the two you mentioned I would go .44 Special...
     
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    that gp100 is stinking good-looking. i'd go with that ...
     
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    it is to me, swiss army. i tote a 20-ounce shield ... :)
     
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    Well the SP101 in .357 is popular and looks great, especially the shorter one. Ive heard they shoot great too. I know they made some 4" ones in the past. I'll tell you though, I'm still pretty mad at the SP101 I had in 9mm, which had to go back twice and Ruger finally gave me my money back.

    Ive never shot a .44 Special so I can't speak to that? The GP100 is popular and pretty good looking. I generally like S&W for full size revolvers but Rugers can be loaded to high pressures, around. 44 mag from what I understand. If you are going to handload I'd definitely get the Ruger.

    Plus you posted the Ruger first, so psychology says you subconsciously want it more. So theres that. :)
     
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    I carry a 4" S&W M19 357 quite a lot and don't notice it. My 5-1/2" Redhawk has yet to be carried. If I were in Griz country, I would carry the 44mag.

    Back to the OP, I would go with a 4" GP100 whether it be in 4Spl or 357. Heavy bullet 357 loads can be impressive, and likewise for +P 44Spl.
     
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    That 3 inch GP100 is a good looking piece! And being that you already handload for the .44, it should be simple for you to tailor a pleasant shooting heavy load with a heavier hard cast projectile. Flat point .429 bullets come in weights from 215 grs to 325 gr and beyond… launching a nice hard chunk of lead weighing over 300 grains into the 900-1000 fps range would seem to me to be a good starting point...
     
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    Apparently you aren't opposed to .357, so why not get a GP100 in .357?
     
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    The reason I am leaving the Glock 20 is I hate how it flings the brass and I have a hard time finding them and since I am frugal I rarely shoot the Glock because I do not want to loose brass. I have looked at the 10mm GP100s but I sold my 10mm reloading equipment with the pistol so it is now off the list.

    I started off sold on the SP101 in 4.2 inch barrel in 357 since it weighs a little less than the Glock20 but packs quite the punch. Then @Birdman posted up some picks of his Birdshead grip revolver he is manufacturing a hostler for, I was sold and then looked at weight and re-thought my reasons for not wanting the GP100 and the little extra weight it carries. I also watched a few videos of people shooting the Sp101 in 357 magnum and the Gp100 in 44 Sepecial and I started thinking I was willing to give up a little bullet energy for less visible recoil.

    I reguallary shoot my 44, or for CW 43 magnum, CVA rifle so i could get a 260 grain mold and use it for both firearms, me being frugal I like the 1 for 2.

    Theanks everyone for your thoughts and insights. I think i am going to get the 44 Special and down the road I might either get a Ruger LCRx in 38 Special with a 3 inch barrel or an offering from Charter Arms for a very light weight carry firearm.
     
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    The birdshead doesn't feel heavy. It has heft but what you'd want in a revolver like that. Its also very balanced in the hand.
     
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    Can't make that decision for you, but I'll give a little input. Both are good guns. Both hold five rounds. Both are heavy for caliber - which if you are going to use heavy loads (I assume you will, since....Montana), is a good thing. The 4.2" sp101 might have a longer sight radius (I'd have to compare side by side), but the sight radius on a 3" .44 ain't bad. I've owned one similar in another brand, and found it easy to shoot well. The .44 will be more pleasant to shoot, all else being equal. I don't buy into the ft/lbs formula for handgun effectiveness. In my estimation, it has been pretty well demonstrated by now that heavy loads in either caliber can get the job done on your local dangerous critters. Grips - there is a large assortment of different grips for either revolver. You should find it easier to fit your hand with either than most autos.

    Probably comes down to how important is it to you to save some weight/bulk, but you're only talking about ~7 oz. OTOH - you could have another round on tap with that 7 oz in a 3" .357 GP100. But I'd rather have 4" with a .357 - so in a GP100, that would be 11 more oz.

    No help at all - right?

    Maybe it would help if I told you I've had variations on all of these, and I'd like a GP100 in 44 spl. But I'm holding out for a 4". :D
     
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    Can't really go wrong with either of those choices.

    I recently picked up the newly available LCRx 357 Magnum with the 3-inch barrel and adjustable sights. 21 ounces.

    Might be worthy of consideration if weight savings is part of the decision.

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    Hey, @MontanaMarine - I've been wondering about that LCRx. Is the frame shaped like the other Ruger DA revolvers? Are there compatible aftermarket grips?
     
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    Hogue I think makes another grip but not many outside of that, the gripframe shape is similar to a gp100 ish
     
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    I believe it is the same grip frame as the smaller LCRx, but I don't have one to compare with.

    I have seen a few pics of people who put this longer grip on a shorter LCR/LCRx.
     
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    +1 on the.44 Special. It's just what I'm partial to...:50:
     
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    At 47 ounces its a little heavier but I would lean toward a 4" Redhawk. You can still fire 44 Special but if you want a little more velocity you have the capability of firing 44 mag. While not as bulky as the SRH it will stand up to constant heavy loads easily. With a decent holster I don't even notice it on my belt.

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    I eyeballed the Redhawk .44 with the 2.75" barrel, as well as the .357 with its 8 shot cylinder for quite a while. Neat guns!
     
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    Birdman...I have the 2.75" Redhawk in .41 Magnum and quite honestly don't care for the balance....also there are very few aftermarket grips for it.... Bought one of the new 4.2" Redhawks and is one of the best .41s I have ever owned...

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    Check out the Ruger GP100 "Lipsey's" special edition. It's readily available online... blued, 5", 1/2 lug barrel, available in .357, .327, or 44 special. It's got adjustable sights as well. It's a beautiful, "old-school" revolver... very much like the old Security Six.
     
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    357s in a lightweight revolver are going to be snappy, no, unpleasant at best. 125gr 38Spl +P or 158gr SWC HP (old FBI load) are manageable.

    I HAD a Charter Arms Undercover 38Spl back in the early 90s. The rifling was very shallow and trigger very heavy. The double action was so horrible that I considered it a single action. After the civil unrest (after the Los Angeles riots) settled down, it found a new home.
     
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    While I am a huge fan of Blued Steel and walnut, I am not so warm and fuzzy with 5 inch barrels... I like 4 inch barrels a whole lot, and I get all squishy and dreamy eyed with three inch barrels. I just let my last 4"L frame S&W 586 go.... That Ol' Soldier spent a lot of time in the woods with me....It's a .357, but I always carried it with 158 gr .38s.... the treasury load. That load out of all my .38's is SOOOOOO consistently accurate, and it's always easy to shoot... Perhaps a bit snappy in my 342pd Airweight …

    It's all about balance in my mind.... I wear a solid 2 1/4 " gunbelt in the woods, and heavy duty holsters as well.... A couple of EPS Threepersons style holsters, I also have my old issue Boston Leather Border patrol style holsters for my K Frames... and those guns all carry pretty well for me. But The 5+ inchers just don't seem to carry and draw nearly as well for me. Of course all that is about Personal preference, and I am a firm believer in freedom of choice!

    I guess I don't worry too much about ounces when I carry in the woods... A good belt and a proper holster seems to melt those ounces off my hips.... and at the end of the day of the end of the trailhead, a slightly heavier gun in a proper holster system feels waaaay better than an ultra lightweight in an inadequate system... Just my thoughts...
     
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    Good to know!
     
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    The frames under the grip are the same.

    The full size LRCx3 grip is perfect, does not need replacing. No finger grooves so it fits kids and big tall adults.
     
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    Did you say snappy .357?
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    Can't go wrong with the 44 spcl since you reload.
     
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    I love .44 mag / .44 special revolvers.

    If you want lower cost use, I suspect the .357 / .38 speical would be a bit easier on the per round cost.

    Either one is a tank and nice.

    Let me throw out that a model 58 or model 57 S&W in .41 mag can be a fine woods gun also. It's what I carry a fair amount of time. I bought 500 extra cases and reload them for different uses with what I want. It's a unsung cartridge. Partnered with a .41 mag lever gun or some such and I"m pretty happy loafing in the woods with them.
     
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    I like the 357 allot. But when bears are mentioned, I want more.

    Just like in my personal protection calibers. Mine all begin with a 4.

    The 41 Mag would get my choice over a 43 and a 45 over a 41. That if Im restricted to handguns. Mention bears and defence and my first thought is a 12 Ga and slugs/buckshot.

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    Had my beast barrel trimmed to 4 " and cylinder machined for moon clips so its a 454 , 45 Colt and 45 ACP. Still use the scope rings too. Not light but versatile
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