Old bolt action shotgun ?

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  1. Knifeguy510

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    I've had a real nice 20 guage for sale for over a year for $100.
    They're not very sought after, even though they are great guns.
     
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    My son has mine now. Essentially the same gun in 20ga. It killed untold numbers of rabbits and quail. Nothing fancy but I almost couldn’t miss with that gun as a kid.
     
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    The crack is repairable. When you say the stock moves away from the barrel, do you mean it flexes or does it not seem to be attached to the action very well? Also, do you have the bolt?
     
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    i have the same gun for 40 years, it has takin its share of white tails
     
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    In pristine condition it might be worth $125-150. I had one just like it for sale forever and ended up trading it away for random stuff. They're neat and unusual, but not valuable. That's how I ended up with 4 bolt-action shotguns at one time. Still have two left for sale locally for $100 each and nobody cares even a little. Unless it has sentimental value I probably wouldn't bother. If it does have sentimental value then you can always grab a whole gun to steal parts from.
     
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    Ugly as a mud fence, but they do work, no denying it.
     
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    They do make a nice turkey gun. A friend has one he put a peep sight on.
     
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    First I would contact Mossberg and ask them for a parts diagram. Then I would look for a bolt. You might get a steal but then again it could be a couple hundred. This is a case of a nice old gun being “made safe” and then them loosing the bolt. It’s a real shame.
     
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    My Dad had one in 16 gauge, It was a wondereful shotgun. Unfortunately it got stolen along with 11 other rifles and shotguns in the late 70s.
     
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    It seems as if its not attached to the stock very well . tworads where the end of the stock meets the barrel . It has no sentimental value to me . I just figured if I can get the parts and fix her up it would just be fun and interesting learning experience! As long as the parts would be cheap
     
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    You guys are awsome . Thats not all the parts. I need though is it ?
     
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    No sentimental value id just like to have an old gun ! I have new ones id just lime to get a simple old gun if the worked back then b4 everything got modern and complicated.
     
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    I'd use it . Id be searching for parts as I could afford them .

    Find a bolt first. You can always shoot it single shot til you come across a magazine.

    I acquired a rusted shut Marlin 99m1 like that . No mag .No trigger . 5USD .
    Trigger was easy to find . Got the action working . It was a tube mag so I whitted a plug out of birch . Essentially had a self ejecting, manually operated rifle.

    Used that rifle for a few years. Found a mag for it. And gave it to a guy in need.

    I miss bolt action shotguns. Always carried so nice in the hand . I had a 20in ish. Marlin 12ga. I didn't appreciate what it was when I had it. I was younger and full of testosterone . Everything had to be ready for war . Probably sold it for something black and shiny .

    But it was a very useful shotgun.

    I like yours .


    Eta . I had a Mossberg 695. It was camo. Had a smooth bore around 20-24in and took chokes .
     
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    Im gona fix her up for sure . Im very unfamilar witb the whole process though . I only got into guns 2 years ago. Always jad the interest but not the money ! It was better spent on girls and beer lol. Now im married with a kid and have bought and started shooting my first few guns. Im buying a 1911 and an Ar 15 in a couple weeks . I was gona buy a colt 1911 but I kinda need to buy the ar now I live in a sheeple state that is gona follow suit with conn mass new jersey and the others . Im sure its comming eventually.
    I was thinking of moving to a more free state like New Hampshire but idk they ade smak in the middle of all the restrictive states. So I think I may go with the rock island armory 1911 in 9 mill. My local gun store owner raves about them and he owns like 50 1911s!
     
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    @Knifeguy510 i had the same concerns .
    The govt has sucked the life out of a lot of things here but I refuse to let it get to me.

    I do what I do .And let the chips fall where they may .

    Good luck with your quest .

    We like NH . Ive never been to Maine though.
     
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    New Hamshire is wonderfull! I have spent alot of time there my granddad bought an A frame cabin in the white mountain national forest off the saco river . not far from the coverd bridge camp ground. I went up there e or 4 times a year as a kid . I still go there now my uncle took iver the place when my grandfather was unable to take care of it anylonger. They are one of the most free states on the east coast . It just seems weird cause they are surrounded by much more restrictive states. Thank you I have found a magazine already. And possibly a bolt . it may actually cost me a bit more than just buying an operational. But I thinkbthis will be fun and my son can help then it will have sentimental value.
     
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    I almost lost my life to one of those...

    Kinda runs a chill to even loot at or pick one up.

    I kinda avoid them. I did but a 410 last spring because it was exact model I have in a 22 LR. ITS NOW A PAIR and I do like it. Need to work onnit some cause it dose t shoot to POA.

    GOOD LUCK with yours!!

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    Was the one that failed on you a Mossberg? I know Sears recalled their J.C. Higgins 12 guage bolt shotguns for that very reason. Bolts coming out the back and drilling the shooter in the head.
    That's a scary thought!
     
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    That or a Marlin. But seem to remember it was a Mossberg.

    CW
     
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    I bought a J.C. Higgins bolt shotgun years ago and I have since sold it. At the time mine was a 583.10 product number and in the safe range. At the time I checked with Sears and I was told they me that a $50 gift card for the rebate offer was still good. The bolt popping out only concerned the product numbers in the quote below. I was told by a gunsmith someone took a bolt apart and did not put it back together properly causing the bolt to come out while firing it thus causing the recall. I hope this helps and

    GOD Bless you and your families

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    This is from
    https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=53121&p=401425
    Quote:
    The shotguns were sold in Sears stores and through its catalog as the
    "J.C. Higgins Bolt Action 12-Gauge Model 10 Shotgun" during the 1950s. It was
    carried under a number of product numbers: 583.13, 583.14, 583.15, 583.16,
    583.17, 583.18, 583.19, 583.20, 583.21 and 583.22. The product model number
    is engraved on the barrel of the shotgun.
    Consumers are advised to immediately stop using the shotgun. Call
    800-817-9165 for identification verification and instructions on return
    procedures.
     
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    In that case a complete functional one in less than pristine condition is about $75-100. Check pawn shops (be careful because they're often overpriced) the used sections of gun stores, and armslist.
     
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    You'll have to find out why it's loose. Might just be the last guy took the stock off to repair it and left it loose or trapped something between the stock and the receiver. Or it could be worse.

    But as others have said, if you will have to spend $100 replacing the bolt and other parts, why not just get a working one for the same price? To me, fiddling with something like that is fun, so that might be all the reason you need, your call.
     
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    Gunbroker is good for finding parts as well.
     
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    Ill prob do both mabey find a nice 20 gage for my son and fix this one for me.
     
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    Not hing I enjoy more than finding an old firearm and resurrecting it ….but....
    sometimes (and I am not saying this is the case)...it isn't worth the effort. For the cost of the used parts, you can probably , almost certainly find one in shooting shape. A used bolt off Ebay doesn't guarantee the bolt will be in firing condition, or work due to wear and tear on the receiver, trigger/sear engagement, etc. If you want to put the money into it just for the fun of the project (which is what I frequently do) it would be doable. If you are looking to get an inexpensive shotgun...pass, with a little shopping you wont have any trouble finding plenty of old bolt action/ single shot shotguns cheap.
    A few years ago I had the hots for a lever actuated breaktop shotgun, to leave at the camp. That years fall gun show gave me literally dozens to choose from, in shooting condition. I ended up with two :a very cool 20 gauge single shot coach gun, and a 410 single. Both savages. Just a little bit of oil and I was ready to go. both went for around 80 bucks (each).
     
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    I found this YouTube video on a guy working on a similar model. It may be of interest to you.


     
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    I have been thinking about that from the looks of it it will cost me more that buying one thats in working condition. I think it would be fun to do but the main reason would really be to have a funtional gun on the cheap ! Newer ones the ultimately do the same thing.
     
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    As far as the loose stock, it would be an easy one to learn bedding on. If it's just loose stock fitment than a little epoxy and shoe polish would fix it up. Or the action pillar/block that the action bolt screws into might need staked into its dovetail or something like that.

    I would hold onto it and keep an eye out for deals on a magazine and parts. You can stumble across things at gun stores or pawn shops and search eBay and gunbroker.
     
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    I went back to a pawn shop today. I saw one these last week. It is a Mossberg 395KA, they want $200 for it and I told them that I will wait for it to come down. It does look in great shape but I think it is over priced. They also had a Mossberg 410 bolt action for months going got $200 but today I see that it was gone I guess someone was willing to pay $200 for it.

    GOD Bless you and your families

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    I will definitely hold on to it no matter what I decide . I hold on to everthing ! Lol My wife say I have too much stuff though.
     
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    We have one in the family somewhere, might be in my Dad's safe, I think it was a Mossy. I good friend of mine uses one in a 410 as his rabbit gun, every time he gets a critter with it he sends me a pic that "the antique did it again."
     
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    If I found an old tube fed .410 bolt, I'd snatch it in a heartbeat.
     
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    I"ve seen a couple worked over into deer hunting slug guns.

    Shot a couple. Seems the magazines come up missing a lot of the time. Last time I looked the magazines that could be found were kinda pricy for a shotgun that used to sell for very little and still has pretty low demand.

    If you restore it, decide you aim to keep it.

    Maybe if you could put a rifled slug barrel and drill and tap it for a scope n sabot slugs ya might find some hunters in places that aren't free enough to allow men to use a rifle to hunt deer with ya might sell it.

    Or just turn it into a nice woods loafing gun. Maybe shorten the barrel, get a magazine, add sling swivels and maybe a bit of careful sanding / refinishing to get it into shape for your wants and needs.

    Or use it for what it was made for: goose or maybe turkey.
     
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    I happen to live in one of those states! We can not hunt with rifles here in Rhode Island ! Too small the shot would travel clean through to Massachusetts! Lol
     
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    I saw a Ivar Jhonson 16 gage at my local gun store last night for 89 dollars. Idk what it is I just love old guns
     
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    I inherited a J.C. Higgins, tube-mag in 16 gage (the perfect gage for a shotgun BTW). It did not have a recall number. Uncle Herb had bobbed the barrel back to the Imp Cyl mark and used it to tote around on his tractor with season-appropriate loads on board. He never replaced the bead or installed any kind of sights but he seemed to do okay; we ate a lot of quail, rabbit, and squirrel. I need to put rifle sights on it but I actually carry it on a lot of float trips. It carries plenty of shot to handle a threatening snake (which in 65 years ain’t ever happened) or to take a bird, rabbit, or squirrel. During some seasons I might slip a slug in but that would be virtually never since I would take something else more specialized.

    It is a foraging gun, plain and simple and that it is a B/A makes it even more so. The Sweet Sixteen is really the perfect gage - a pound of lead will give you a pound of 1 ounce round balls or 16 one ounce loads. Even my simple mind can comprehend the concept. It is a darn shame that it fell out of favor playing the “Tweener” role betwixt 12ga and 20.

    I like the old B/A smoothbores. I have feelers out for one in 12ga, 20ga, and .410 cal. Shells for 12ga and 20ga are dirt-cheap so would like one for that reason. I have the 16ga (no cheap shells there) and already have a .410 M6 Springfield but would still like a .410 in the bolt flavor.

    Although it is foolish and mostly due to other folks’ optics or perceptions, I carry the old J.C. Higgins 16ga in my camper rather than an 870 or Mod 12 or the coach gun. Outside of it being a “generic gun” it does not have any crazy, evil interpretations or connotations. It certainly would not be a weapon for offense and certainly ain’t a riot gun or even seen as an alley broom or street sweeper. It is seen as benign as a firearm can be seen by those poor folks who do not have a clue.

    Serious about having feelers out for other B/A shotguns. If you are in the kinda close area of The Hub of All of Creation and have a 12, 20ga, or .410 bolt shotgun for sale, please let me know.

    John
     
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    I've come across a couple of those. I think they were both Stevens or Savage but I really can't recall other than they were both the same model pretty much. Had a loading port at the end of the tube like the Henry's or most .22's.
     
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