Discussion in 'Primitive Tools' started by Mr.Black, Sep 29, 2013.
I see notchers and whats the needle like antler? Prettyy fine for a PF.
The pointy thing with the lanyard is an awl; it's a tool I use a lot for basketry, and I especially like antler ones for their light weight. I just finished up this bone needle using all stone tools, too.
The antler tool on the left side, just in front of the hammerstone in the first pic is a combination pressure flaker/notcher; just an antler tine shaped sort of like a small, dull chisel. I do a lot more percussion than PF work, in general.
My usual disclaimer about knapping is that I knap like a caveman, and not the Cro-Magnon kind, either...a literally subhuman level of skill, lol . Most of the stone tools I make are pretty crude, but they work fine for cutting stuff, which is the fun part as far as I'm concerned.
Idk you say sub human but that obsidian point and grey triangle look pretty refined. Really nice man. I love knapping. Gotta get back on the horse I been slacking lately
Stretching the definition of "tools" a bit, but here's a crude kneeling pad made from strips of maple bark.
First attempt at a primitive fishing kit.
I don't know if these hooks would be sturdy enough to pull in a fish that was big enough to fit them into its mouth, but it will be fun trying to find out.
I made a couple of smaller hooks today. These are much more likely to fit into the mouth of a small trout or bluegill.
Look at all those awesome fibers!
Bone pendant and thistle whistle..
I got to try out the fishing kit today. It took close to four hours and dozens of lost fish before I landed one, but I haven't been this happy about catching a fish in a long time.
awesome !!! well done amigo anything caught on primitive tackle is a trophy for sure.
Neat, a true sportsman! Barbless hooks. Glad it worked. That would be fun to try for sure.
Inspired by @NWPrimate 's post above, I made this primitive fishing rig using stone tools...a braided dogbane leader, with a soapstone sinker and a bone gorge hook tied/pitch glued on the end. I'll attach another, longer yucca cord as the main line. By the way, I now always think of 3-strand braided cordage as "NWPrimate-style", lol.
In use, the bait slides on from the end and holds the gorge parallel to the cord...when the upper point digs in, it toggles sideways and jams in the fish's throat. I had some success fishing with steel versions of these as a kid, and I'm looking forward to testing this one out!
Very cool! Nice work!
Dabling in primitive hook making is next on my list.
It looks like the thorn got soft after prolonged water exposure....how long did they last/stay effective once you used them?
That still blows my mind that some kind of salmonids live in that murky pond!
Soaking in the water might have played a role, but I did notice that the hook failed after having a fish on for a couple of seconds that I eventually lost, so I'm not sure if it just broke from the stress, or if it got soft.
This pond is separated from a river by a couple of hundred yards of wetland, so I suspect that they either have a route in and out, or get stuck by flood waters. I want to try a gorge hook next, but don't like the idea of gut hooking baby salmonids, so I need to find a new body of water with catfish, perch, bass or other introduced species.
I have a rabbit leg bone I've been saving for a couple of gorge hooks. Rabbit bones are strong and super sharp when broken. I always thought they'd make a good hook. Gluttonous panfish seem to be the perfect volunteers to test such experiments.
It recently occurred to me that a gorge hook works on exactly the same principle as getting a fish bone caught in your throat. Turnabout = fair play?
This is a handmade spear I made for my father. Everything was carved out with the same folding knife he gave me the year before. The obsidian head is purchased.
A work in progress but I haven't been at it in awhile...
Hello everyone, here is a small club I made. I live by a brownstone quarry, so the head is made of brownstone...not the hardest of materials but it was crafted as more of a mental/skills excercise...the head is placed into a cavity that I carved into the shaft and held in with pine pitch resin. The handle has holes bored thru for the leather gripping. Thanks for looking.
Perhaps theirs something im not seeing but that spear head doesnt appear to be obsidian at all. Theres no obsidian ive ever seen with that shade. The color would denote flint of some kind. Hell it even looks like it may be some type of quartzite?
Trying to make Leiliras
Very very nice. I may be making the same on an upcoming trip. Cant wait to see.
Good day to all.... this is a small project I have been working on. It's a piece of river cane with a cork stopper. I started it as a match case, but after some consideration...I think I'm going to cut a larger piece to use as a lighter safe. It is large enough to hold a bic lighter, and this way I don't have to worry about the lighter being discharged accidentally.
bone and milkweed blow dart
Hand drill friction fire items, atlatls, stone hand knife, bull roarer, yucca and leather cordage...
Just some primitive stuff living in my truck right now.
Made a semi-traditional PNW fishing spear. This would likely be better with bone or antler barbs, but I used what I had available and fire hardened some vine maple and bound it to a big leaf maple stick with some cedar roots.
Unfortunately fishing regulations keep me from testing it out, but it feels sturdy and sharp enough to pierce salmon skin and I'm sure I could get close enough if it were legal. I am going to take a long shot and contact the local tribal salmon hatchery to see if they would be open to letting me test it on a fish that they are going to harvest anyway; but we'll see about that.
Very cool idea! I hope this pans out....I can't wait to see!!
Well shades of Punji Sticks Batman!
It will work if need be.
That was a common man trap in a hole. Sticks pointing up to pierce the foot. Sticks pointing down to inflict more damage when others tried to pull them out.
Mr. Fish won't be going anywhere.
A few more stone tools and fish spears.
More to come.
Outstanding. Looking forward to more of this. I 'm starting one soon too.
Teaching my son and his friend how to attach a point to a shaft using technique taught by @Mr.Black
They're out looking for feathers and making arrows now lol.
My first attempt at making an arrow. I don’t know the first thing about archery, stone knapping, or arrow making, but I took my best shot. I set out with the goal of making a usable arrow with materials that I could find and process in afternoon using the Mora Garberg as my only tool.
I started with a Red Osier Dogwood arrow shaft, and attached an unknown stone flake for the head with some stinging nettle fiber. I attached some found crow feathers to the rear and did my best to reinforce the notch.It came out relatively straight and sturdy so I rigged up a vine maple branch with some bankline as a makeshift bow and tried it out.
The last time I shot a bow and arrow was during a week-long unit in high school gym class, so I’m obviously no archer but I was thrilled to see the arrow fly somewhat straight and the head hold up to multiple jarring impacts.
A couple quickie arrowheads. The one on the left was a “job well done” by a newbie.
Those look great, nice job.
That's awesome @Wolfcri . Do you happen to have a link to @Mr.Black 's tutorial. I think I made mine the hard way because I didn't know any better.
That's awesome! I have seen a lot of pictures of home made fish hooks, but very few pictures of fish caught with them.
Excellent...that's some real-deal stone-age stuff right there. I recall reading something in an archeology paper about some strange, step-shaped cut-off sticks found in a dry cave out west. After some puzzling, it was finally concluded they were the broken-out ends left over from this method of notching atlatl dart shafts.
These are totally awesome!
I find with a stone just like Black is far easier than a knife altho Black has also used the Beck.
I tried it yesterday with a knife and totally botched it!
My second attempt at making an arrow in an afternoon with what I could find in the woods. Rather than try to chip and grind out another shoddy stone arrow head, I thought it might be interesting to try a design suited for waterfowl or game birds like grouse. I knew that I would be shooting it at driftwood instead of birds so I made the points a bit thicker and sturdier than I probably would if I were hoping to shoot a bird.
I used another Red Osier Dogwood for the shaft, fire hardened vine maple skewers for the tip, and nettles fiber and blackberry vines to hold them in place. I thought I lucked out by finding a nice Northern Flicker feather, but quickly realized it was more delicate and harder to work with than the crow feather I used last time.
As you might have guessed, the arrow was very front heavy, and the maple stick I used for a bow didn't have much power, so my first shot went way low. Once I got the elevation dialed in, it was pretty easy to hit big logs, but I would have to get pretty close to a bird to have a chance. I'll revisit this design again once I start playing with making actual bows instead of just tying bankline to a stick.
I added another fish hook to my primitive tackle box.
This was my first time experimenting with steam bending wood and it worked very well. I have read about the indigenous people of this area using steam to bend cedar, but that didn’t seem like a great choice for a hook this small so I went with the always useful vine maple.
I carved out a rough skewer from green wood and steamed it over my canteen cup, bending it slowly and re-steaming it until I got the curve that I wanted.
I burned my fingertips a bit holding the shape while it cooled, and then did my best to dry and harden it over the coals. Once I had the rough shape, I sharpened and re-hardened the point, steam bent the shank to make an eye, and attached a leader reverse-wrapped stinging nettle fibers.
While I haven’t had a chance to try fishing with it yet, I soaked it in water for about twenty minutes to see if it would soften up and it showed no signs of weakening, so I might just have another viable hook on my hands.
Tagging @rsnurkle ; I'm finally getting around to bending wood with steam.
So when should we expect to see the steam-bent frame for a nettle cordage fishing net? Crossing my fingers that the hook holds up to the rigors of fishing when you get a chance to test it. Do you think you could have used cordage to hold the bend in place for something this small? (To avoid burned fingers, somewhat...)
Thanks @rsnurkle I'll definitely be making some nets, but I'm kind of lazy and will probably just bend a willow sapling for the frame. Great idea on using the cordage to hold the bend. I accidentally came to the same conclusion after wrapping the second fold to hold the eye closed. I'll give that a shot for the main bend next time.
@NWPrimate Willow is a fickle mistress... every project I’ve done with it has cracked or snapped. It definitely needs to be worked green or wet. I’ve only got three projects from willow that didn’t have an error so far.