Discussion in 'Primitive Tools' started by Mr.Black, Sep 29, 2013.
2 hours to make them; 5 minutes to lose them in the snow.
i feel like you've said it, but i want to double check. what are the hardwoods you've been using for your arrow heads? (since i've admitted defeat on knapping....)
I've been using vine maple (Acer circinatum) but should probably start experimenting with different species. I picked the densest readily available wood in my area, so maybe that can act as a starting point when considering your local trees.
poor little bear
Rough neighborhood you live in...even the snow bears are totin' knives!
You live in the land where most modern traditional arrow material comes from...you should make some shafts out of cedar splits that you can round into shafts! You'll get faster arrow speeds with this lighter wood...but's still plenty tough and heavy enough for hunting. Most modern cedar arrows come from Port Orford cedar, which is from ancient downed trees that are ground harvested. Some of my arrows could be from the time Columbus landed in the new world or even older.
Thanks buddy! I have tried using Western Red cedar shafts a few times and there is definitely something to be said for carving them straight in the first place vs. bending shoots. They're not as durable as the dogwood, but definitely lighter.
Consistently awsome man
What if the snowball arrows were... flaming...?
That is awesome!
Made a pouch for a fishing kit
Is that salmon skin?
Yes, I picked it up from a bark tanner at rabbit stick a while back. Been staring at it a long time trying to figure out what to use it for. Used deer sinew for the thread and elk bone for the button. Backed the flap with some bark tan deer just to strengthen it up and patch a hole
@NWPrimate how do you fire those ridgid fletched arrows without hitting your bare hand. I’ve watched all the videos and done Frame advance. Hell even the duct tape fletching tore up my hand. I love the bundle bow and improvised arrows, could you do a little video on the shooting method please.
What kind of cording are you using for the strings?
I just put up with the skin damage as part of using a basic bow and shoddy arrows, though I've gotten better about not smacking myself with the string over the last week or so.
I've been using #36 tarred nylon bankline and have no idea how that compares to other bow string options, but am looking forward to trying some natural cordage options to see how they stand up.
As for the shooting method; I have no idea what I'm doing and literally started with a stick and string and went with what felt natural from there, so I'm the last person to ask when it comes to form and technique.
Burn bucket bowl...
Making slow progress...
Nice work guys. I just got some rawhide I plan on trying with some bow drill when I get a chance. Friend gave me an elk hide.
Hey Next when you are throwing the atlatl, here's what worked for me: I found when I stand up straight I tended to have more twist when I threw and it was harder for my atlatl to stabilize. When I threw with a a longer step and knees bent so my center of gravity was lower I found that I was able to keep everything more straight and then when I was standing more erect. Also when I threw from this position I tended not to throw so high. I know that im talking about things that are hard to describe I'm sorry I don't have a video at the moment. Anyway would like to hear thoughts about stance if you get a chance to play around with it again soon.
Thanks @Duncsquatch ! I'm sure my next attempt will be just as comical, but I'll try to keep your points in mind in hopes of improving.
Also what did you use to drill or bore the sockets in your fish spear with removable tip?
I made a little improvised disposable awl out of the vine maple to get the pith out, and then used a twig to clean out the bits stuck to the side.
Edit: I misunderstood you. I thought you were asking about the coupler. I used a SAK awl to put the holes in the point and shaft.
Really lovely kuksa and unique lanyard!
You're ready for the next archery hunting season.
I hope to be by then!
Its funny you know sometimes you see someone elses work and you feel like your seeing something much more. Maybe the maker doesnt even see what they made. But suddenly with the way this looks I feel I can see the use of single bevels in tools. In the stone age of hand griding why would you take the time to grind the entire tool which may even weaken it through too much material loss. So instead simply grind one side and grind the other fully flat. It just makes so much sense, even up to things like the lueko (puuko?) bone knives with the single bevel and many African throwing knives have a single bevel. I know this is probably suuuuper obvious but I just had to share one of those "everything clicked" moments.
So have you come to any new conclusions through your use of non-feather fletchings?
I have to assume that 3 feather fletching is superior because it is almost universal, but have been really happy to find an alternative that I can gather from the woods. So far, rhododendron leaves have proven to be more durable and friendly on my hands than bark. I do suspect that splitting the rear of the arrow is a disadvantage when it comes to stiffness and accuracy, but I'm still getting better at what I'm aiming at so I think I'm still the weak link.
Id agree sure its better and more durable but still. To create using other methods is the entire point of crafting in the bush. And if one if being apocalypto chased it may be a good idea to be able to use leaves instead of hunting for feathers.
What brought you to all this? Its amazing. I LOVE primitive stuff but my mind was far too wrapped around the "proper" way. Proper as in "stone" arrowhead. Chipped. Can take minutes or hours. I bet most of us never even thought of this until seeing you craft it. When were all 'aware" of the options. But I guarantee would rarely shoot for them. Bone,antler,ground stone, wood. The fletchings of leaf and bark. Its just so out of the box but actually more accurate and necessary and "proper". Just very eye opening is all.
While I am interested in eventually learning proper techniques with classic materials, I decided to start out by seeing how far I could get using materials that I could reasonably expect to find and process in my local woods in an afternoon. I found a few feathers when I was first starting, but realized they were not common enough to count on so I started thinking about alternatives.
Without any prior archery experience to guide me, I'm sure there is a lot that I'm doing wrong, but I'm having a lot fun trying different combinations of materials and am learning a lot.
There were a couple of BCUSA quotes that helped get me started in the first place. One of my favorite lines from @field-expedient goes something like "everybody wants to play survival until it is time to eat or go to bed". I was getting to the point of diminishing returns with the time I was spending on friction fire, so it was a good reminder to start branching out.
Another one that stuck with me was something @n8mayfield said.."Any idiot can make a bow, it's the arrow that's difficult". I'm not sure who he was quoting, but that sparked my interest in archery specifically and I tied some bank line to a stick and started trying to figure out the arrows.
I'm still a fire nut, and need to work on the "go to bed" part of FE's line, but I can tell I've gotten started down a path that is going to take me years to get bored with.