Private Conversations Influencing Ads.

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  1. IHatchetJack

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    Last night I purchased a drink at my local grocery store for my cousin who has a cold. It was a very specific type of weird 'hippy' drink full of vitamins and such to make you feel better. Anyway, I gave it to him and he apparently liked it. Today he sent me a message on my phone (basic text messaging, no third party app) with an image of the same brand of drink in a different flavor.

    A few minutes later I was scrolling through Instagram and there was an advertisement for this brand of drink. I have never googled, or searched in any way for this beverage. The only time this sort of drink was has ever been mentioned in any digital form by me was through the conversation with my cousin. We didn't even mention the specific brand, but the logo was very clear in the photo he sent me. Irritating, and creepy.

    Anyone had anything similar happen? And, if any tech guys know how to keep this from happening, I'm all ears. This has nearly pushed me to revert to a 'dumb' phone.

    Also, please don't suggest this is some 'brand bias' phenomenon where I'm just more likely to notice something new after I've been introduced to it. This is wayyyy to specific of a brand, and too coincidental to be anything other than machine learning at work where it shouldn't be.
     
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    Welcome to the brave New world. We have absolutely no idea who is watching what or for what reason! If my darn cell phone wasn't so handy, (I'm using it right now) Id go back to just using a house phone.
     
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    I think its ridiculous that they invade our privacy for what they hope will add up to a few dollars.

    Eventually it will be completely acceptable for marketing, government, or anyone to completly invade all aspects of your privacy and lives. We're not far from it now.

    I envy the homesteaders here because they have the opportunity to be more disconnected than the rest of us
     
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    Definitely had this happen.
     
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    My wife and I have noticed it as well. Not cool. Not cool at all.
     
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    Ever been somewhere like a restaurant and had Google ask you to take a picture of that exact location and give feedback? I had it happen several times until I turned off my "location", but you can bet they still know where you are.

    Your Smart TV watches everything you watch and uses algorithms to decide marketing strategies to target you and your family.
    Your PC and phone are no different.

    Then there's Instagram which focuses on your views. Facebook which does the same, and they listen to you.

    What about Amazon? :) Ever notice how they focus on what you buy and search for and make "suggestions"? Then you went and bought Alexa, the "assistant" that listens to your every word but only speaks when spoken too. And records it. Of course your phone does that too.
     
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    I use a VPN and set my browser to clear caches on closing. When I forget these things (ie. VPN off and forget to close the browser app) I get super-targeted content. Otherwise I just get the ordinary junk. :) . ..... Also, I don't IG or Facebook: I wonder if that is actually it. And, oh yes, Adblocker ... maybe that too
     
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    My baby and I were riding together and talking about a council tools axe. 2 hours later she had adds for Council axes on her facebook...go figure.
     
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    Anybody ever notice when people find out someone spied on them doing something private, the first thing they do is go to the internet and tell everybody exactly what "private" thing they were doing they got found out about? :54:
     
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    I get a lot of advertisements for Bacon after visiting bcusa...
     
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    There's a whole documentary about this topic on Netflix right now called The Great Hack.
    Pretty eye opening.
     
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    While I'm aware that this happens, I can honestly say that I've never noticed it before because I don't pay any attention to the adds that pop up in the dead zones of my internet usage. I skip right past all of it. So, I'm.a horrible person to attempt to market to, because I really don't care about their advertising. In fact, I have been known to STOP using products that nave advertised too aggressively toward me, up to and including the Red Cross for blood donation.

    I used to give blood.regularly when I had time. The Red Cross started calling me the day I was able to give blood again. They call and call and call. I haven't given blood in over two years because of it.
     
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    What happens? Ads for mail order brides? Or.... I'm not sure I want to know.
     
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    Yup. But here's the part most people faik to realize

    We can make it stop anytime we want to. That micro analyzer is one bucket of water away from freedom
     
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    When something is "free" (think Google) YOU are the product.

    There is no free lunch - it is paid for somehow.
     
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    If you get a tattoo, most places won't take blood for a year. So when they called, I just told them when my last tattoo was. Wasn't a lie, and I still give when I'm able, they just don't call me anymore.
     
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    Ast time I gave, the new guy dumped a quart of me on 5he vfc oncrete.
    Wasted my......
    Hostage.
     
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    No FB, no Twitter, no instagram, and location turned off on my phone.
    No Alexa or other listening devices, keep Amazon history turned off. Don't use google, use a firefox fork browser, no cookie cache.

    Makes it a little harder for them.
     
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    Yes.

    Believe it or not we agree to this monitoring... the user agreements to even utilize a device you paid for, or specific internet web pages.

    I have read through a few of them completely, and started an email complaint with one of the companies. It never went anywhere, it was a waste of time. In the end I stopped using that product, and stopped bothering to read the user agreements. There is almost no fighting it anymore.
     
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    you are being watched and your government doesnt care they do it too
    some say search for nonsense , porn , democrat republican anything that you normally wouldnt do make them know nothing for sure
     
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    You are correct. There is a very simple way to avoid the monitoring that few people fail to realize exists.

    Just don't use the internet or smart phones.

    While this may sound like heresy to many folks, it would actually be relatively simple. We got along just fine without all the nonsense for millennia. We put up with it now for convenience and entertainment.

    So, in reality, we do it to ourselves knowingly. All you need to do to make it go away, if you really have a concern about it, is to unplug.
     
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    Just don't use the internet or smart phones.(or have friends that do)
    sorry but thats not enough your monitored far beyond that
     
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    My daughter and I were talking about Dickies clothing recently. Later that day, ads for dickies shirts showed up on my Facebook on my iPhone. It’s happened on other occasions also.
     
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    I have assumed for a long time that every thing we say, even in the privacy of our own homes is being observed. Our goverment is listening in, private entities (google etc.) are gathering our information. The private companies probably do a better job, because there is a profit motive. Goverment always seems to drop the ball. How many times, after a mass shooting , it is revealed that the local goverment had loads of information, they failed to act on. So whatever. I say what I believe, privately or publicly. There are men and women in uniform who might die today, to give me this right. Went to a meeting back in 1975 about electronic ignition (was a auto mechanic). First thing the guy said was you don 't know what you don't know. Still pertains to today.
     
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    In the 80's it was " Big Brother is listening!" now it's "Hey Big Brother I need a recipe for bannock" We have definitely signed our privacy away.
     
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    The scary aspect of mass surveillance is that this isn't necessarily the case anymore. Facebook confirmed in April of last year that it gathers details on IP, etc from users accessing any webpages with Facebook's tools on them regardless of whether or not they have an account.

    They don't scoop anything that can identify you personally (yet), but anonymous data is definitely feeding the beast whether people realize it or not.

    And from an analytical standpoint, even if you don't use the internet at all (and everybody knows how unrealistic that is anymore), there's a you-shaped hole in the dataset. Simple details that are public record could be leveraged to build a reasonably accurate profile of you down to approximate household income by leveraging the rest of the dataset.

    We are rapidly getting to a point where opting out isn't possible. I'm not saying the sky is falling, but the camel's definitely on its way in the tent right now.
     
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    Your cousin is linked to you in social media and he posted a photo of it because folks are trained to do this.
     
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    The tech to monitor and survey text messages does exist, but not like it works on the internet. It's more like one cell at a time with specialized equipment. We did this in Afghanistan to track down power players.
     
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    But we do have the power to walk away at any time.
    It's just inconvenient.
     
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    We can still opt out, but they made the internet too addicting. I no longer carry a smart phone on my person. I miss being able to access the internet anywhere an time, but I feel better knowing I'm not being watched unless I use the internet. If it weren't for the vast library of knowledge, art, and music, it would be the most evil thing ever.
     
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    I'm using a flip phone. When I buy stuff and they want the phone number and email, I just make it up as I go. No TV and no Inet in the house, I'm very cheap.
    I'm amazed by these "homeless" people who have 2 phones - one to play PACMAN on and the other for talking / surfing. Incredible.
     
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    I had it happen, too...last year my wife and I were discussing buying some hardware item (a plumbing part, I think) in the car with her phone on, and an ad appeared on Amazon later that day for the same item. We noticed it immediately because it was creepy; the item was unusual enough that coincidence seemed highly unlikely.
     
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    I tried an experiment around my wife. We would talk about zoot suits. I figured that was esoteric enough that I would never accidentally google it. I hadn't, and never got an ad for zoot suits despite talking about wanting a zoot suit several times in front of my Alexa and my iphone and my wife's iphone. I just googled "zoot suit", so I bet I will start seeing ads now.
     
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    They also figure out your age and use it for targeted advertising. I'm getting a lot about Geritol, nursing homes and funeral parlors.

    [Whatever you do, DON'T google "ex-lax"...!!!!:18:]
     
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    Ditto on this. It makes a huge difference. The only problem is that some sites detect you're using a VPN and won't cooperate. Also, depending on which country I select for the VPN, I end up on Yahoo U.K., or Yahoo Canada! Sometimes websites will appear in the language of the host country.... funny, but it does help.
     
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    Also, the thing is to get a paid VPN. They can be affordable. But, I understand that the free ones just grab your info and sell it; which is hardly surprising, I suppose.
     
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    Yep.. and as an IT admin/cybersecurity type guy, professionally, I can attest that it is true and does occur to all of us. Did you know that Google reads your Gmail messages and has algorithms to parse out data to sell to advertisers?

    How to keep it from happening... simple. You ever see the show on tv called "Building off the grid" or some such thing? Yep.. that's how. The only way to be 100% sure nowadays. You have to disconnect and remove yourself from the modern, 21st century world. it sucks, it's horrible, it should never have occurred but it has and it did. I have subsequently moved 1984 into the "Non-fiction" section of my bookshelf.

    I think we're already there. As to the homesteaders.... I often say that I was born 200 years too late to be truly happy. I'll gladly deal with the perils of the early 19th century life in exchange for this interconnected, Matrix like machine world we now live in. Much like nuclear technology from the 1940s to now.. we had a great thing with computers, machine-learning and technology in general, and what did we do with it? We created Facebook, Google, and plugged our brains into a collective monotony of automation, disregarding and ignoring the real world. We had a chance to do something great with it, and we squandered it and turned it into something vile.

    Yep.. but also, that won't help protect the content of text messages, email and the like. A VPN just hides your internet browsing and file transfers.
     
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    Are Homesteaders really disconnected? :50:

    Did you guys hear about the Street View cars? They got caught steeling Wifi passwords and peeping over the fence and taking pictures of people doing private business. I wonder what they didn't admit to.

    I think VPN is a little outdated technology, there has been a lot of talk how Political Ads can track you on any device and any internet connection you are using. I think they call it pixel, or fingerprint or so.
     
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    Welcome to 1984! I love it when I hear people say that, “ I’m not doing anything wrong, and I don’t care that the government knows it. There is an old saying in Russia that the walls have ears. Even after the fall of the Soviet Union, people would never talk about certain subject matter. It’s scary to think of what the NSA is up to regarding the simplist of discussions.
     
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    Haha, just wait until you learn the capabilities and intrusiveness of 5G, once that is in full steam it's too late.
     
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    Not just the NSA, but CIA, FBI, DHS, ICE, FED GOV in general, foreign govts, private companies, malicious individuals... my friend, this rabbit hole goes so far there is no bottom.

    Oh yes indeed.... It's like Skynet, already self-aware, just waiting to be deployed via mass update to all users... once it's in place, it'll be too late and irremovable.

    This is what I stay awake at night, worrying about; for my kids and their kids' sake. We're going to ultimately destroy all that is natural and beautiful in favor of a dystopian Blade Runner or Avatar like Earth. Overcrowded, concrete and steel everywhere, digital ads intruding on every aspect of our lives, and people no longer care about other people.
     
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    With the entire earth.

    That's human nature and then we look down on animals...
     
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