Question about pine resin

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  1. NevadaBlue

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    Where I live, trees can be scarce. Sagebrush is everywhere, if you lie on your back on the ground, under the sagebrush and look up it looks like trees. :p But cottonwoods and aspens are the most common trees near me. Pines and spruces and junipers are around, but not close.
    So today I was in a park in Salt Lake City, walking my little dog, killing time. I could see some sap dripping from old pines along the way. Finally I decided to see about collecting some. A handy stick and a paper towel from my pocket held the treasure. That one spot where a limb had been cut years before yielded 5.6 ounces of beautiful, aromatic goo. A paper coffee cup in the van carried it safely home.

    Now the question...

    What is it good for? According to ebay reviews, it is quite valuable. I collected it thinking 'fire starter'. But it must be good for more things than that.
    Next trip I will be carrying a butter knife and some tins. Need more of this stuff. :dblthumb:
     
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    I use it for starting fires. I've heard that it can be used in an emergency to bind a wound together. Kinda like superglue. Its supposed to be antimicrobial also. I have no proof of these claims so YMMV. I know it burns.
     
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    I've seen it said it is a natural antiseptic if you smear a little on a cut. I've never done it myself. I've never needed any antiseptic on a cut.
     
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    There is a bunch of uses for pine resin. Just off the top of my head,
    You can make Glue
    Make candles
    It’s a pretty good antiseptic
    I even made my own fat wood letting dry wood chips soak in a can of warm pine resin

    I’m sure others will chime in on more uses.
    Keep collecting it. You can’t go wrong.
     
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    It sure smells good. Might mess up an armpit though. :eek:
     
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    It can be a sealant to fill cracks or help waterproof items, can be mixed with crushed charcoal and a binder to make a glue substance, and if I am not mistaken, it can also be applied as an antibacterial wound dressing. Also, great fire accelerant as you mentioned.
     
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    It is quite 'dirty'. Most of the 'dirt' appears to be bits of bark and such. I wonder if warming it in a tin will let the crud separate from the clear stuff.
     
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    Quote me if I’m wrong but I believe it can be used as a glue that is also water resistant.
     
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    Must have been typing the same time as me haha.
     
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    You can make it less sticky by heating it up then letting cool. It will dry glassy and fairly brittle. You can make a great natural "epoxy" by mixing powdered charcoal in it. The charcoal will remove the brittleness. Just warm, apply, press, done.

    Of course it is extremely flammable. Just a dab will do ya.
     
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    For my own knowledge and for anyone else who wants to know, does anyone know the ratio you would mix the resin and charcoal to make the glue? Or do you go my consistency? This thread has soaked my curiosity.
     
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    Is it safe to say that anything you heat it in will only be good for heating pine resin from there in? Can the cooled resin be chipped out with a fingernail?
     
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    The only time I used it i made glue boiling it in water. The gunk rose to the top to be skimmed off. The pitch was wound around a stick. It looked like violin rosin, which it pretty much is. I used it to seal bindings on arrows.
     
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    It is alcohol soluble. Just pour some 91% rubbing alcohol and let sit. Will dissolve right out. I use a cheapo nonestick pot I use for melting non-food items like wax and pine resin. I prefer to make a cup out of foil and use heat gun then pour onto something lined with waxed paper.
     
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    Rubbing alcohol is also what I use to clean my tools after harvesting fatwood. Easy to clean up my axe, knives, and saws with this. Lighter fluid also works but can destroy your liver and kidneys if you get too much on your bare skin. I use nitrile gloves when using this solvent.
     
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    Yep.
    I take a tin can and poke little tiny holes in the bottom from the outside so the burrs point inward then use a larger can for the pot. Put your sap in the little can inside the big can and put it on really low heat. Do this while your wife is out shopping and watch it really close. When it’s all really runny lift the strainer can up and let it run out into the big can. The burrs help catch the bark/dirt/bugs. Let the stuff inside the cans set up hard. The stuff with all the bark is fantastic fire starter material. The nice clean stuff is stock for glue with some crushed up charcoal or, what I like to do is make up some pretty thick twisted strands of jute with a knot on each end, heat the clean stuff up to liquid again and dip a knot in it and hold it until it solidifies and then the other knot. Keep dipping and cooling till you have a marble sized ball at each end. Put that in your fire kit and, when needed cut the cord in the middle, fray up the jute and make your birds nest with a nice marble sized egg of resin in the center.
    The reason you do this while the wife is gone is because it makes the whole house smell like pinesol. When she gets back tell her you cleaned the kitchen while she was out. (It helps the illusion if you move the toaster or something)
    This reminds me, I was challenged to show how I do this a long time ago. I need to get on that.
     
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    I've used it instead of using petroleum jelly with cotton balls. I melt it down and mix it in without soaking the CB's. I've also mixed ash and charcoal with it and covered the bottom of my hiking staff to protect it from the harsh trail. The staff is from a century plant(agave). It worked well as long as I didn't store it in direct sunlight for hours at a time. Also makes a nice glue but I've never attempted that.
     
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    Creek Steward did a article about this, he said to use 1 part charcoal to 3 parts resin.
     
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    Thanks. I've got a cheap, small camping pot I use for wax. I just wanted to be sure I could clean it back out after the resin.


    Man, my hands used to be soaked in lighter fluid for a good part of the summer back in jr high.
    Back in the days of real pop/soda cans and... certain ethnic group cannons... :)
    The smell of lighter fluid just came back to me, lol.
     
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    my grandpa used to melt it down in the oven and pour off the impurities, them pour it in a tin foil pan and let it harden, then break it up and use it as chewing gum!
     
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    I cannot speak from personal experience, but according Mike (MCQ Bushcraft) he says use a 2-3 part resin to 1 part binder ratio (timestamp 20:40). I ought to try this sometime, but I haven'tyet. . I'd be curious to hear experiences of people who have done this before.
     
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    I’d just use a tin can. After it sets up you just bang on the can to break the remains out. Save your nice pot for other things.
     
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    Hey all,

    Ive made pine pitch glue and it came out great. My ratio is 50 percent pitch, 25 percent charcoal ( finely ground ) and 25 percent deer or elk scat ( finely ground ). You can also just use finely ground up fiber, like grass trimmings, instead of the scat.

    Melt the pine pitch. Watch out for flame ups as the pitch is flammable. When the pitch turns to liquid, slowly add the charcoal and the scat. Stir it all in evenly.

    Remove from heat. As it cools you can apply it to just about any type of surface for an incredible bond, similar to epoxy.

    With any leftover material, you can make a glue stick. You can scoop it and twirl it on a stick. Think Spinning Cotton Candy. If its cool enough you can scoop it and form it to the stick with your bare hand.

    Store the glue sticks in a dry environment. Later, you can just reheat this glue stick and use it for whatever you need i.e. nocks, fletching, stone points onto arrow shafts etc.

    This " Abo Epoxy" is amazingly strong. Ive even bonded steel blades, onto wood handles, for knives and such.

    Ive never done it, but supposedly you can add some bees wax to the mix, which makes the glue more pliable/formable. I think it also gives the glue a shinier finish.

    If you go to the Three Rivers Archery Website, I think there is a video on how to make Pine Pitch Glue. I used that info/video to make my batch.

    PM me if you have any more questions.
     
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    You can just dip splints of wood into it to make your own high-powered tinder accelerator.
     
  26. NevadaBlue

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    Wow, thanks for all the tips and ideas, especially the alcohol solvent tip. This must be one of the stickiest substances that we come across. Home made hot glue!

    Now I know I MUST get more. Another addiction. :rolleyes:
     
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    I like acetone as a solvent over alcohol for clean-up of tools after dealing with pine resin or fatwood. Just my .02.
     
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    You can pich from pine resin it's the glue of the woods. And fire starter stick. I think there is more you can do with it. But it does smell really good. Prov 27 : 17
     
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    Pine resin is perfect for camouflage!

    I get a big sticky blob and rub it in my hair -- makes me look like an escaped mental patient.

    That way I can blend in.
     
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    I liquefy my pine resin and add a small amount of paraffin and mix them together. After that is mixed we'll, I add in sawdust and mix well. When everything starts cooling, I roll small amounts into a ball and have great fire starters. The longest I got one to burn was right around 4 minutes.
    I've also used pine resin as a glue to fix gear while I'm out in the wilderness.

    Tinder thread
    https://bushcraftusa.com/forum/threads/trying-a-new-tinder.185156/

    Field repair in this thread
    https://bushcraftusa.com/forum/threads/bad-day-turned-great.183499/
     
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    Smear some on the windshield wipers on your wife's car. The pitch will grip the rubber wiper blade and keep the windshield much drier.










    :)
     
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    Also, if you put some in your engine oil, it will help seal leaky gaskets. Add it to your fuel tank to thicken up your fuel, hence giving you better gas mileage.
     
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    I liked a couple of posts that I wouldn't dare try. But they made me smile. :)
     
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    WOW !
    I just use it for fire starter.
    Thanks for all the tips gentile men
     
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    Good info on processing pitch here.
     
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    I've done the pitch sticks before and they work well. But, for this thread I will tell you to consult the Sherpa. The 16 uses is a great article but there are a couple other articles of use in this series as well as it pertains to your inquiry.
    https://survivalsherpa.wordpress.com/trees-for-self-reliance/
     
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    hello,
    Yeah @NevadaBlue purifying or processing your harvest :) YouTube link tried & tested.
    Regards
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    I can't tell you what it's good for, that hasn't already been mentioned. I was a monkey as a kid. Always climbing trees. Mom used butter to get it off my hands. Seemed to work. If you spill, give it a try.
    Jim
     
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    hello,
    Yeah butter does work as I can recall getting such on my denims as a lad & my granny rubbed a knob butter into the material pre-wash. BTW 1st Aid butter is also good for bruises. ;)
    Regards
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    What's 1st aid butter? Is it also good on toast? ROFL
     
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    Kind of on the same theme of this, is Spruce pitch as usable as pine pitch? I've been collecting chunks of Spruce pitch when I cut firewood but haven't done anything with it yet.
     
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    I mix pine resin with beeswax and some jojoba oil for salve. Works great for cuts and scrapes.
     
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    hello,
    :D Yes it works & it's good on toast. *If you haven’t heard, if you get punched in the face or bump your noggin, you should put butter on in right away. This will help prevent bruising and I’ll tell you why. Your skin is very vascular (meaning lots of blood vessels in it) when you bounce your fore head off of a pole the tissue gets irritated and releases histamines into the surrounding area. The histamines break down the cell walls of your blood vessels and cause you to bleed into the tissue thus presenting a bruise. The cell walls of your vessels are made up of phospholipids and that is what is dissolved when the histamine is released. Granted a number of vessels break on impact but not so many it goes all the way up to your knee when you sprain your ankle, once again histamine is the culprit. Anyway back to the butter. Butter is full of fat which is high in phosphate; phosphate is the leading ingredient in phospholipids which make up the blood vessel cell walls. By applying butter you sustain those phospholipids and prevent bleeding into the tissue. This is the same reason putting raw steak on a potential bruise can help, because it is packed with phosphate. Now a cold pack that you all are so familiar with helps slow the release of histamines and reduce the chemical reaction brought on by it. But in the end it won’t stop the histamine forever. And that is the why behind the butter on the bruise. P.S. using real butter is better than margarine but margarine will still work because it is fortified with phosphate.
    Regards
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    Holy cow! Things you never knew! I always wondered about the steak. If cold was the only factor, why stick raw meat on yourself. Thanks much!
    Jim
     
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    hello,
    @Zunga Jim I always thought it was a kinda placebo effect (a beneficial effect produced by a placebo drug or treatment, which cannot be attributed to the properties of the placebo itself, & must therefore be due to the patient's belief in that treatment). I can always remember as a lad I gave myself a sore one, I rattled my head, it came out in a bruise & I was crying, my granny went to the pantry, cut from the print of butter what we call a knob of butter & smeared it on the bruise. Not as in depth as the details I added from a manual but it was explained by my granny how the butter reduced the swelling & bruising. :)
    Regards
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    Gonna give this a try next time I have some pitch. Thanks!
     
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    I've seen some very interesting studies on placebo effect. Most interesting of which. Folks were given a sugar pill. Later after reporting improvement in their condition. They were told the truth. Many kept taking the fake pills and continued to benefit. Psycho systematic reactions I would think are linked. Example: getting very emotionally upset and having a spontaneous nose bleed. In short the power of the mind at either extreme.
     
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    I just watched this video and it took me totally by surprise.
    I thought the idea was to melt down the collected resin without catching it on fire, remove the impurities (as in sticks, dirt...) and have a nice amber colored blob when done. When he set the resin itself on fire wasn't he burning off a lot of the good stuff?
     
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    hello,
    Yeah @PAcanis you are correct the YouTube link tried & tested & it does work. :)
    Regards
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    A little dab of turpentine on a sore finger that's been pinched in a door will give a lot of relief.

    (Of course this is for educational information only, use at your own risk, and California law will probably say it causes all kinds of terrible conditions.)
     
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