Quick look Ontario Blackbird Second

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    some quick pics before heading out. Is not very sharp out of box unlike the 43 rifleman but some quick passes with a diamond stone will fix that I believe. Was purchased on midway USA as a link was provided here on bushcraft usa. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/7...inless-steel-blade-g-10-handle-factory-second

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    no retention haven't looked if you can take this out like the sp gen 2 line of knives and hit it with a heat gun

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    I spent an hour or so today with a whetstone working the edge to a finer angle. The factory edge looked like about 40 degrees each side, I'm reducing that by about half. Just about there. Getting pretty 'slicey'.
     
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    Fine looking pig sticker you have there young fellar. Let us know how you like it when you get it sharpened. joe
     
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    3/8 inward of the apex

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    Looks like a good knife! It took about all my willpower to not purchase one of those!
     
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    some quick work with a diamond stone not very familiar with the steel yet, the redi edge 40 degree doesnt seem to make it shaving sharp like it does for some of my other blades. When I met Creek Stewart this was the blade he was carrying



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    the blade has excellent penetration in reverse grip , more of a presence guard IMHO , but would work for self defense against animals IMHO in southnark or keatings drawpoint if an emergency situation occurred.

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    looking forward to using the knife in the coming week
     
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    So this is a factory second; what's the blem on this knife? I don't see anything visibly wrong with it from your pictures.

    I so want an SK5 as an example of modern Kephart style blade. Need one? Naw... want one, yes!
     
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    Yeah I couldn't find anything maybe the handle? I'll try to take a pic of the pommel I did slip sharpening it with a diamond stone I blame it in the beer and I could polish the scratch out .

    I wasn't really sharp but some other ontarios I have weren't that sharp out of box . The 43 rifleman was very sharp out of box with a good edge angle
     
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    It seems Creek has changed his views on what features a survival knife should have with his new Whiskey knives line-up:


    Dom
     
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    I do like the designs. I picked up his whiskey jackdraw a while ago (its probably a 3.5 inch blade, about the size of a paring knife). The knives are utilitarian for sure, no fancy steel, no perfect grinds. It came with two sheaths, one a leather sheath secured with heavy duty staples. The other a kydex sheath. Both are laced with 550 cord for a belt loop. Very functional IMO. I do love that they use whiskey barrels for the scales, that makes it for me.
     
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    I'll take the scales off leaving it in the rainy environment but yeah besides 2nd on the knife and needing a more acute edge it's seems pretty nice I can't really find a "blem " solid value for me to try a 154 cm blade imho
     

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    spear point snap cuts well no surprise

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    left in the rain storm today more rain coming

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    some abusive spine taps in the cold did this guy in. [​IMG]

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    Ouch... i don't see any inclusions or voids in the steel... metal grain size looks tight and small, as would be expected from CPM steel. Do you suppose this is simply a case of bad heat treat, or perhaps smacking it on the spine in the cold is something best not done with this steel?
     
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    Not sure . The other two knives in photo revived the same treatment
     
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    Sorry for your loss...OKC warranty should replace it. How long have you owned it @scottman?

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    Seconds have no warranty
     
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    My bad....Whatta a shame! :eek: Truly sorry for that!:(

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    No worries !!
     
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    First pics are from the 8th so 9 days
     
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    Well that sucks.

    I haven't played rough with my 2nd yet.
     
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    spine taps are interesting in my cold AO of michigan . Here's an OSI in Aus 8 that had chopped and batonned in warm weather , took it out with me in the cold winter and just some light taps on the spine and well.....

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    What was the ambient temperature when the Blackbird cracked?
     
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    Not sure how warm it was yesterday the blade had been out of the freezer for a probably a minute
     
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    Freezer? So you intentionally froze it then batonned with it? Strange, but hey it's your knife. Trying to mimic winter use I assume?
     
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    Yep spine taps are in James ayres book .
     
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    Who is James Ayres? Google wasn't helpful at first look.
     
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    Ive noticed a few of your posts like this. Are you just trying to find the strongest?
     
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    Spine taps done in the cold I don't have a set way to measure the force applied ...,. I think do By that just shows me how a blade reacts in my cold AO is it brittle is it more a controlled environment cutter do I want to take the weight for it , is it a battle blade can it take some stress without breaking , in normal utility can I resharpen it easily with something like a joe smoe edc redi edge does it hold its edge well enough till I can quickly touch it up , is it a James ayres travel knife in my AO etc

    Just some thoughts this Friday night Saturday morning .....

    If all I had done with this blackbird second was controlled environment cutting in non freezing temps I most likely would not have know how it would react . Loading out with it in the winter untested well that wouldn't inspire much confidence in my AO if that piece of gear became very critical in non controlled environment cutting .
     
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    Great tests Scottman, and I agree with your philosophy.

    I may have missed it, but have you tested an OKC blade in 5160 yet?
     
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    • Gen 2 spec plus are very good in my AO in the cold
     
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    And this, my friends, is why we carry one or more backup blades. If your primary is the SK-5, and it snaps like this in use on a 10 day excursion, that is when you pull out your Mora from the pack, or your Jakaaripuuko 110...
     
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    Does a Mora and 110 snap in spine wacks in the cold ?
     
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    A good question. I haven't had my Terava 140 long enough to tell you, but I have spine whacked my Mora Bushcraft Black outside, in MI winters, splitting 2" or so white birch. It's still in one piece. Granted, the zero-grind scandi edge chips and rolls when I hit fatwood with it, but that's my fault for removing the secondary bevel and perhaps trying to chop off red pine fatwood right off of the tree with it. Probably shouldn't have done that.

    I can put my Mora Companion in the freezer and see what happens.. How long at what temp did you do the SK-5? I'll do the same for the Mora.
     
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    I'll have to look dobtou have James ayres book? Spine taps wacks isn't just batonning
     
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    I'll ha e to get the temp
     
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    I ordered the book yesterday. The reviews said there are lots of great photos and information. Can't wait for the mailman now.
     
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    IMO Ontario made a misjudgement in using 154CM for a "bushcraft" type knife. Sure it's rust resistant and holds a great edge, but one of the first tests EVERYONE gives a knife today is batoning it through a six inch piece of knotty hardwood. They should stick with their proven 1095 or 5160, and keep their inventory simpler, and their failure rate (and bad press) and retail price lower. Just my .02c
     
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    have you seen 1095 blades from ontario fail in the cold in the same "abusive" tests that the black bird broke?
     
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    No, which is my point. I think 1095 and especially 5160 (both heavily used by OKC) are stronger steels for the way many of today's outdoorsman use their knives.

    The only knife I truly pound on w/o fear or worry is my Ontario SP8 in 1095. I don't hesitate to pound it into and through any chunk of wood I have the energy to do so. I haven't tried it in sub-zero temps, but have used it during the winter in "around freezing" temps. I wouldn't hesitate to baton with any of my other 1095/5160/etc fixed blades if I actually needed to, but I usually find a way to avoid doing so, or have my SP8 with me as the dedicated splitter.
     
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    I have some .25 thick knives from ontario sitting in my porch that points snapped off in the same test that the blackbird took... if there's a 1095 blade from ontario that is similar in grind and thickness weight length etc to the blackbird I'd like to know to purchase and I'd like to know what the rockwell is.

    the gen 2 line in 5160 is excellent but they are not as thin of grind as the blackbird.
     
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    I've never held the Blackbird, but I'm guessing the TAK-1 has a similar blade thickness and grind.
     
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    I've got an SP-8 too, it's a beast.

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    I have one of those somewhere too very thick behind the edge not the best chopper from memory I'll have to find it and dig it out
     
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    It doesn't much matter how hard you swing, the SP8 is NOT a good chopper. Everything about the design seems aimed at splitting, scraping and digging.

    A Silky, SP8 and a Mora makes a perfect trio.
     
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