Quick Release Knife to Belt Dangler Attachment - No metal hardware!

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  1. oneshot

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    Hello everyone, I'd like to share method I came up with to attach your knife to your belt using a quick release system. It forms a dangler type attachment without using any metal hardware. My earlier thoughts/post about Ötzi the Iceman's belt actually give me idea for this!

    Here it is with the knife attached:
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    Knife removed:
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    Benefits
    1) Quick Release-call me lazy but I don't like to undo my belt and take off my knife every time I decide to climb into a bed or hammock for a cat nap!
    2) Turns a regular sheath into a dangler type for freedom of movement
    3) No metal hardware, can be made using wood and cordage
    4) Can also be used to hold a folding saw (temporarily)

    I think it's pretty easy to see how it is made, but here are a few details:

    Toggle
    -My toggle is fairly simple, but make yours as fancy as you like!

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    1) Make the toggle out of a piece of hardwood or any other suitable material. Mine is about 2 ¾” (70mm) long and 1/3rd inch thick (9mm). Chamfer the ends.
    2) Drill a hole through the center of it (mine is 5/64” but you'll need to customize yours based on the cordage you are using)
    3) Take a 6 inch piece of bank line or other cordage, slip it through the belt loop of your sheath, and push the ends through the hole in the toggle. Tie an overhand knot as a stopper on the other side of the toggle. You want about an inch distance between the toggle and the sheath. Melt the the stopper knot slightly to prevent it from undoing.

    Belt loop
    -The belt loop can be left on the belt which is handy. It can be moved into different positions but tends not to slide when under tension. Please note that these loops could catch on something causing injury, so use them at your own risk! Use cordage that is rated less than your body weight for safety.

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    Back (inside) of the belt:
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    Here is alternative method using an overhand knot, if you don't want to melt the ends together:
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    1) Start with a piece of cord about 7 inches long. You'll need a knot called an inside cow hitch to tie around the belt. It is quite simple to tie, and instructions can be found here.
    2) Melt the free ends of the cord together, check for strength when cooled, and slide things around so that the joint is on the back side of the belt. ***For those of you that are concerned about the strength of a melted joint, you could use the alternative method above, also see notes below***
    3) Make sure that the resulting loop is just under an inch in diameter so your toggle just barely slips through it, as seen below. If it is too large you could lose your knife.

    Slipping the toggle through the loop:
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    An added bonus of the system is that a small folding saw can also be attached to the toggle temporarily. Just tie a short loop of paracord onto your saw and loop it around the toggle! Very handy when you have cut some wood to take back to camp.

    Notes
    ***
    Don't trust a melted joint? You can use a knot (eg. overhand or other small two-strand stopper knot) at the bottom of the belt loop. If you do I suggest you melt the knot slightly because they can come undone too! There are also alternative methods of joining the ends of paracord that can be found online. Some involve extra stitching which is a good idea. Personally I like a weak point in the system in case the loop was to catch on something***
    -the secret to a strong melted joint is to use a ensure that the inner strands/outer sheath are cut flush and use a stationary flame like a candle. Melt both ends at the same time, press together symmetrically, and smooth with moistened fingers when it is just cool enough to touch. Don't burn yourself please! To test the joint, pull in opposite directions as hard as you can... if it can take the force without breaking (even a little) then I think it can handle the weight of your knife.
    -the same system can be used to attach other tools/items to a belt or backpack such as flashlights, saws, heavier firesteels, etc.
    -for a leather sheath, paracord may be better for the toggle loop as it would probably abrade the leather less than bank line.
    -this system is not great for flimsy/thin belts, as the belt loop may cause the belt to compress and the loop to become too large. A stiff leather belt works well.
    -the belt loop can be removed and used on another belt of the same width
    -the belt loop does make getting the belt on more difficult, so it is not a great system if you are using the same belt with many different pairs of pants. In this case a permanent loop in the belt would be better.
    -be sure to check the cordage and melted joint regularly and replace if abrasion is present

    No doubt you will all suggest improvements to this design, so please let me know what you come up with and post photos if you can!
     
    Last edited: Dec 18, 2016
  2. Subdood

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    Dude, this ingenious indeed. Great idea and thanks for sharing it.
     
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    Simple and oh so smart. Great idea and great of you to share with the community.
     
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    Love it and I'm going to use it!
     
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    Very cool. Thanks for the idea and the inside cow hitch tutorial too.[emoji106] Very useful indeed.
     
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    Very cool. Thank you for sharing.

    Carl
     
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    I've got a couple of places to throw one of those cow hitch loops on right now.
     
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    Great concept. It got me thinking about creating a button quick release. Button on a loop of fabric(leather) around the belt, then have a slit in the sheath to receive the button.

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    Great idea!
     
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    This is going to be vey handy, thanks!
     
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    Awesome!

    I love it!
     
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    Great idea, seems a bit Otzi inspired.
     
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    any helpful hints on how to make the melted paracord junction strong? call me paranoid. lol I have melted tons of paracord but never welded it together.
     
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    Nice idea! Another wood turning project for someone to consider.
     
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    That's brilliant! and applicable to all kinds of other stuff too. thanks for sharing!
     
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    I'm just going to echo what everyone else has said, a great idea!
     
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    If that just isn't kinda cool!
     
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    Brilliant!
     
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    Good idea him say.
     
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    That belt/loop idea would work well for a hatchet too,,, don't even need the toggle, just enough loop to accept the handle,,,
     
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    That's awesome!! I'll be using it!
     
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    K.I.S.S. I like it.
     
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    I think I would prefer a one piece cord arrangement. It would be just as easy to feed the toggle behind your belt and hitch it. I think also I rather close the loop with a button or lanyard knot rather than depend on a melted joint.

    I think I'll give it a try...need to carve a toggle first
     
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    I agree on the knot, that's how I have done a similar arrangement. Knot in the loop, girth hitch around the belt, however I have been using the tips of antler tines for
    my toggle, I like wood but love the look of the antler tine.

    I like the way the OP has attached the loop to the belt since the girth hitch seems to come undone from the belt easily when there is nothing attached.
     
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    I was thinking maybe two knots tied close together to form a buttonhole of sorts to hold the toggle more securely.
     
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    Pretty slick doings sir...well done!
     
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    This.
     
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    Yooooooouu.....yoooooooooouu...
    Your gooooooood!

    That'll be used when I go tuna fishing for my plier sheath. Sucks taking by belt off every time I sit in the galley.
    Very slick!
     
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    Brilliant. Thanks for sharing
     
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    I like it. Thanks for sharing this
     
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    Good question! I have updated the post with some tips on melting the paracord together. See the notes section.
     
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    I have updated the post with a second method using knots rather than joining the paracord together. Is that sort of what you mean?
     
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    Good idea! Could you post photos if you end up using it?
     
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    Oh it is! You might find my post about Otzi's belt in this same forum from a couple of years ago, it got me thinking about this modern version!
     
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    Took me a while to carve the toggle and wait for the finish to set enough to handle...here it is...

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    Two Matthew Walker two-strand knots for the "buttonhole"...spaced so that the toggle needs to be pushed through. A third Walker knot is behind the sheath.

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    Very cool. The OSS in WWII used something similar to your belt loop part, turned inside the pants, as a IWB holster for a Govt model 45.
     
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    That is a very cool way of doing it, thank you for the great photos! I really like your toggle as well!

    Does the whole rig stay put or slip along the belt during use?

    I guess you could always adjust the distance of the part that goes around the belt to make it tighter if it was slipping around.
     
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    You're right...it would depend on how you space it. With a lightweight knife like a Mora it shouldn't move around much. No ideal how it will run...your loop setup gave me the ideal to try this one.
     
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    I hope you'll let us know how it works! One of the things I really like about these systems is that you can move the knife to different positions on your belt depending on what you are doing, without removing the belt. For example if you are skinning an animal or cutting a lot of cordage it is nice to have your knife at the front because you have to access it so frequently, and it is easier and perhaps safer to re-sheath at the front. Then you can move the sheath to your back when you are finished. I think your system would work better than mine for this, as I have to have a loop a the front as well which can catch on things.
     
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    I don't often belt wear Mora...prefer a Puukko myself. Moras usually get carried in a pack or bag, but I can see a toggle used to secure things through the PALS or other webbing on a pack.
     
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    Really?!? Are there any pictures of this somewhere?
     
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    Awesome idea!
    It bothers me that you have nearly 45 comments saying what a great idea this is, but your original post only has 5 likes. I'd give you a lot more than 1 if I could!
     
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    That is a pretty neat idea. I also don't like undressing just to take my knife off

    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
     
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    If I remember right I had quite a few likes for the original Otzi post, I am not sure where they ended up! It's fine with me though, even if one fellow bushcrafter reads a post of mine at least it's out there in our community. Your single like is more than enough! Thank you.
     
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    Very slick! Thanks for sharing!
     
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    I made one that's pretty slick works great specialty getting in and out of the car
     
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    Great to hear! Could you post a picture or two if you have time? Yes it is great for getting into and out of the car, or if you have to go in to a store and you don't want your knife out for everyone to see!
     
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    14820941937162072487858.jpg 1482094288469252561797.jpg here you not very good pictures sorry
     

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