Discussion in 'Outings, Trips & Expeditions' started by Sandcut, Apr 15, 2018.
Is that a Buck 184?
I wish...it's a modern 184 clone.
Still looks cool! I’ve always wanted an original from when they first came out. Unfortunately for me whenthey were being made my discretionary funds ran from $0 to very meager.
If you've priced them lately they are in the "absolutely insane" price range.
Volunteer? To me that face says he's thinking "wait until you go to sleep tonight, I'll get back at you for this".
My Harbor Freight Rambo knife. For a sub $20.00 knife, it's actually quite nice.
That's the spirit! I bet tons of members have "Rambo" knives here, but they are afraid to show them and use them . Heck, primitive man got by for a half a million years just using fragile rock flakes, I'm sure our hollow handled knives can do just as well!
Dude that's awesome! I was expecting a "Rambo style" knife, not the official Rambo First Blood knife! Im sure if Sylvester Stalone could still form intelligible words he would tell you how proud he is lol.
Some of us are still getting by with fragile rock flakes . I have a "Rambo" knife that my dad got for me when I joined the Army. His thinking was that if I got in a knife fight with a guy that I would win having the bigger knife lol! Think he watched Rambo a few too many times, tried to tell him it wasn't really like that but he insisted I took it haha .
I wouldn't bet on that. I had one of those Rambo knives but it didn't take much to break it. That's why I don't have any pictures...
Depends on what kind of "Rambo" knife you have. There are a few pretty durable styles out there. Maybe you bought a crappy one.
Weren't most of them back in the day pretty crappy?
Most were! But I'm talking about current production versions, many of which truly are pretty tough blades.
I totally agree, those junky 80's ones with a bottle opener cut into the spine were horrible pieces of junk.
lol. Yup, sounds like the one I had...
awesome thread, I liked that a lot!
Too many people lump all hollow handled knives in the same category as the ones most kids in the 1980s had.
like this, yes I still have several
To me these were literally a kids toy. A really fun one but compare these to something like a kershaw 1005, buckmaster, randall 18, robert parish, jack crain, martin, or chris reeves is silly. Its not really fair. Lots of good examples of quality ones, then and now that can take just as much abuse as anything else. Not all hollow handled knives are junk. Just like not all stick tang knives are weak.
Voice of the dog No I'm not sticking my head in there, second pic Volunteer my foot!
Stanley's contract is modeled after the contracts given to the cast of Naked and Afraid, Alone, and Life Below Zero.... "You'll do what is programmed".
These posts remind me, I need to get some time to get out and get more dirt time with this knife.
Well, in spite of the heat, I infiltrated deep in to enemy territory today for another foray.
I met my counterpart deep in country. He was a ranking officer in the ARF-N cadre. Since we were looking for proof of POWs, I figured that I would need to make a bow and an arrow in case we needed to silence a sentry.
Here's my ARF-N contact showing me resources for making my bow, a storm-damaged beech tree.
I tried using the saw teeth on the back of the blade, but they are useless as they come from the factory. The cutting edge of the tooth is the same height as the trailing edge, so the tooth never gets to engage the wood. I did some light filing on the trailing edge to lower it a bit, but it needs lowered more.
So I had to chop through the wood to secure the piece.
And again to shorten the piece to length.
Admittedly, the 420 stainless steel leaves a LOT to be desired. There was no chippimg from the chopping, but there was some rolling to the edge that required some edge touch up work. The stone that came with the knife is a bit coarse, but touched up the edge quickly. A little spit and carborundum works wonders.
The problem with sharpening such a large knife on such a small stone is you occasionally knick yourself.
They drew first blood, not me!
In order to coax a bow stave out of the branch I needed to baton the branch to reduce it by about 70% of its volume.
Then came carving the stave down to final dimensions.
Good enough. I even got some reverse curve in the stave to increase tension.
Next I needed some cordage to string the bow with. Sticking to a scenario of just using what I had on me with clothing and knife, I improvised cord by cutting up my T-shirt. (I brought an old gun rag T-shirt for this purpose. You don't want to see me without a shirt on.) For those that aren't aware, cutting a T-sirt in a spiral fashion beginning at the bottom is a great way to improvise many feet of cord and/or bandage.
Two passes around the shirt and I ended up with about 6 feet of cord.
By twisting the shirt cord, i made it thinner, shorter and stronger. A couple slip knots on the ends and the bow was strung.
But being the perfectionist thst I am, I figured that a few more wraps were needed. DAMN!! I cracked the stave while stringing.
It wasn't cracked clear through, so the next step was to make an arrow. For this, a sapling hemlock provided the straightest shaft in this area. Unfortunately, there is no Viburnum (Arrowwood) in this area and beech saplings are horribly crooked. It ends up that the narrow saw teeth toward the tip were perfect for cutting a nock.
I used some beech leaves and hemlock bark to improvise fletching. Not the best, but it's what was available.
The fletching lasted two shots before falling apart, which is OK because the crack in the bow failed on the third shot. No sentries would be eliminated on this mission. We were strictly recon on this foray.
I did find a lot of Wild Sarsaparilla around, which I used the knife to dig up.
The saw teeth worked well at strippimg the bark from the Sarsaparilla roots.
As we exfiltrated, I ran across some Dewberry vines, which would have worked better for binding the fletching to the arrow.
That's it for today's episode of Rambo II. No POW's were located or saved due, in part, to equipment failure.
Next episode should be securing food.
Awesome work, thanks for sharing.
I suspect your stave failed because you cut through a grain line on the back of the bow. The back of the bow is in tension, and if you violate a grain line, the stave will eventually hinge and crack at that place. Also, it is very hard to make a workable bow out of green wood because the bow will want to follow the string and will take a set. Your use of your T-shirt to make cordage is pretty ingenious, but not sure how long the cotton would last. Better to use a piece of 550 paracord, but I suspect you didn't have any with you.
The Rambo knives are nice show pieces, but beyond that, not much of a working tool. It would be interesting to have a custom knifemaker make one out of good steel, with proper hardening and tempering.
Bingo! The bow failed at a point where I had grain tear out due to the 420 steel dulling so quickly. I had to sharpen the knife five times during the course of this project. If they would only have made this knife from plain old 440C it would be a fantastic knife.
Been meaning to add some content to your awesome thread @Sandcut , havent had the time. Here some old action until I can get around to some new adventures.
My franken first blood knife. If sturdy self bow sticks are scarce for bowdrilling its easy to make a mini bundle bow out of smaller weaker branches. You can play Predator and Rambo at the same time.
Handle cap for bearing
Primitive Hollow handled survival knife
I wish, its the boker plus version still a great knife though
I haven't seen the boker plus before. That sheath comes with it too? I am really liking the looks of that.
oh you mean the top knife, thats a cold steel true flight thrower I modified and thats a homemade sheath
Yeah. Killer sheath. I never knew that cold steel made a knife in that style . excellent job.
they dont lol, I put the handle on it, made the guard, filed the sawback, and made the sheath
This is what it look like when I started
I’ll have to look next time I’m back home, but I think I had that same knife, or something very close. Purchased from a county fair back when nobody blinked an eye at selling something like that to a 10 year old kid with a $10 bill.
Yeah, that was a long time ago. I remember getting my first knife in a crane game at the local church carnival for 25¢ when I was around 6. You could also buy a pocket knife at the concession stand of the local roller skating rink along with candy, soft drinks, switchblade combs, and pumpkin seeds. I had several knives from our rink over the years. Now, all you can get in crane games is stuffed animals. In our day it was knives, Zippo lighter knockoffs, money clips, etc.
Few years ago I made my son a survival knife out of a file ,
The saw was my own design and it works well however i gave the blade a hollow grind .
At that time I never even considered battoning a knife, knowing how brittle the file steel is so it wasn't a factor, but it stays sharp a long time .
This was the knife I was referring to in my previous post. I just realized I didn’t include the quote.
yep kids toy
but didn't you feel like the coolest kid in the yard at the time
my grandad came back for the US with one very similar to this, blunt as a butter knife it was but could mum get me to let go of it at bed time - nope not a chance
Why did I read this!!
Because there is a Rambo knife for sale here and you want to buy it and play?
Come out and play!
You know you want to.
I do! I must acquire one of these blades!
i didn't know about the saw teeth ,I still remember the day I saw his knife on the big screen ,pure nostalgia for sure
I always liked the "idea" of this knife, but in consideration, I never thought the actual "survival" contents on the handle were worth anything.
Better than nothing if by some circumstances your knife is the absolute only thing you have to work with (but you're trading off the long term solidness of a full Tang handle and the extra oomph of the work it is capable of for those items, some of which are single use or short term durability...just another consideration). But I already have much better options (multiple options and more long-term/durable) for any of those tasks the Rambo knife survival kit items would be useful for. Like I said, the idea is attractive especially when considered in conjunction with the Rambo movie plot. But when I start to think about it in real life terms...it isn't as attractive (to me).
A small kit made on your own, or a couple of small kits distributed between your pack and pockets so if you lose your pack you still have fire tools, water purification, fishing/trapping material, etc is a better way to go, in my opinion.
I'd rather have a more solid knife with a different grip. The Rambo knife round handle did not feel "right" in my hand. I get it is a good shape for the hollow internal storage this knife offers. But when using a knife of this style belonging to a friend....I just didn't like the grip on the round handle.
To me, this is one of those things that seems good on paper, in a movie, or in an infomercial at 1am...but doesn't quite work as good in reality. That's just my take, and I understand some guys like all those things that I don't like. Just different preferences...and yeah, there is the nostalgia and fun factor that is worth something intangible.
Actually, I thought that the handle was very comfortable to use. As I've said upthread, if someone made a version of this out of decent steel and with the saw teeth ground in a manner that would work, I could see using this as a primary woods/camp knife.
As far as the handle contents for fishing/survival, it's as useful as any other small survival fishing kit. All that is really needed is some line and a few small hooks and, maybe, a couple splitshot for weight. Bait can be scavenged or improvised lures and bobbers can be made.
I have puttered around a fair amount of time with my hollow handle knife, which is a harbor freight cheapy. It was surprisingly comfortable to use, and actually stayed sharp. Struck a ferro rod good, chopped good, etc. and my hand didn't get sore from using it.
The one for sale on the trade blanket is a pretty good deal.
I did have an original Rambo knife back in the early 1980's bought it BFPO. I sold it soon after & no sooner the buyer had it confiscated. Wilkinson Sword brought out the Dartmoor Survival knife via the original & best Survival Aids of Cumbria UK. The blade had a nice price tag too I bought, tried, & tested it. This was the large blade "Gucci gear" of it's time until.. it was tried & tested on Dartmoor through the Survival school as a demo, & the blade broke in two near the bottle opener. There was some controversy at the time of a Wilkinson Sword product actually breaking like so. It was sent back to the Wilkinson Sword company for their expert advice & investigation on how such a blade with their guarantee could break like so? So.. for me it was back to the reliable British Army (Martindale) Golok of high quality British steel produced by the Ralph Martindale steel mill. I loaned it to my friend sometime ago clearing out, who still uses this today.
Did you buy it?
OK, so on to the next episode.
Today started out as an attempt to participate in @Bralexander 's Simple Fishing Challenge. I was thinking about using the Rambo knife for a fishing-themed outing using the contents of the hollow handle anyway and the two seemed destined to meet. I have hooks, line and split shot in the handle. All I needed to do was find some goldenrod galls to get the wasp grubs or find some worms and I was set.
However, the place that I went to had a lot of goldenrod, but no wasp galls. BUT...as I was looking around for galls I ran into this stuff.
Looks like any dumb old plant, right? But look closer...
It's False Nettle. So now we have a chance to not only improvise the bait, but the fishing line as well. So I cut a bunch and used the pommel cap on the knife to crush the stems a bit to help free up the fibers.
Then you have to strip out all of the hard pithy material.
After stripping all the stems, I had a decent pile of fibers to start doing a reverse wrap cord to make some line.
A little while later, we have some cordage. Trying to wrap wet plant material is nowhere as nice as wrapping dried fibers. Very slippery.
About this time, Stanley insisted that we had been sitting for far too long and needed to get moving.
So, we hit the road looking for some bait. Which we found under some rocks and logs. Some big ol' worms!
I was planning on making a simple gorge hook, but ran across this plant instead.
Multiflora rose. This is the part that I wanted. The thorns.
You know that it's multiflora rose instead of other roses, like pature rose, by the feathery leaf stems (petioles).
So, I cut off small sections of stem, each having thorns, and split them down...
The thorns needed to be trimmed down a bit to be useful and not so large as to be too big for a fish to eat.
I then cut a 12' long Basswood sapling to use as a pole, but also wanted to strip the young bark off the stem to make some cordage out of it as well, but it was too late in the season and the bark was stuck on very tightly.
So, I just used the sapling as a pole. I tied the cord onto the pole with a clove hitch (one of the most useful knots you'll ever use.)