"Rope Basket" Bag; Build Along

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  1. CivilizationDropout

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    I started this during my day home at the beginning of the week, a little foresight on my part. I NEED to make stuff, baby jokes aside I decided to finally make the pack for my bandolier I've been planning;

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    Here's what I have so far;

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    Coffee can retention for the jute line;

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    The body will be a continuous loop of this sissel,
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    I'm only stitching with short sections of jute at a time for two reasons,
    a) the bight in the eye of the needle wears out the line
    b) it would be extremely awkward to feed a whole roll of jute for each stitch.

    To secure the start and finish of each jute length I fold them in between the coils of sissel and run the ends "down-stitch" wrapping them in effectively with the following loops.
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    More to come, when I have opportunities.

    @Bitterroot Native, eh?
     
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    Very cool , will be watching......
     
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    Very nice!
     
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    Gotta keep an eye on this project........
     
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    You ain't got time for this, don't you have a diaper to change?

    ;)
     
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    looking good, following
     
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    Working on it;
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    Messy start but it's tightly done;
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    Nice and thin, trying to keep the weight down;
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    I might be a while...

    Any thoughts on shellacking it to give form and water resistance?
     
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    I'm on baby watch while her and mother sleep, if my hands are idle my brain will idle (aka sleep) too. That would get me in trouble...
     
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    End of a stitch line;
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    Laying the ends of the new strand parallel to the end of the old;
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    Send the needle through the top and bring it around the same as all the others, being sure to cinch your stitches tight the whole way;
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    @MrFixIt;
    ***PAUSE - Diaper Change- UNPAUSE**


    Work your way around the spiral making sure the loose ends of jute are trapped between the sissel layers;
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    Snip that end clean, it makes transition easier;
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    I learned if you pay more attention to your spacing the stitching goes faster, I'm doing one more round on the current spacing and then adding a stitch each five stitches, we'll see if that works to make this look presentable.


    Thanks for looking and following/watching!

    Also new project challenge, scrap copper wire tinder box?
     
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    If you have the time to allow curing, BLO will soak into the fibers very well and stiffen the material, but it'll drink up quite a bit and take at least a week to fully cure.
    On a large bit like that, you may also want to weight it down for a few days to prevent the odd warp or curl.
    The beeswax, BLO and turpentine mixture might be a way to go as it'll likely cure faster, allow a bit more flexibility and the wax may increase longevity by lubricating the fibers sorta like waxing bowstrings.
     
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    Great tip, I just so happen to have a brand new tin of BLO, a 1# block of bee and all I'd have to get is the turn, unless theres still some in the garage?

    Got a favorite recipe for me?
     
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    x 2 Nice work
     
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    You're probably already aware of this, and I've posted about it before, but make sure you're careful about spontaneous combustion when you're soaking things in BLO.

     
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    That was a concern, any tips beside the SOP for BLO that would come in handy?
     
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    Getting bigger,

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    Uniform thickness is good!
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    I recommend trying this one out people, a small ditty or perhaps a water bottle holder?
     
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    That is looking great! I've done a bit of coiled basketry myself (my favorite hat is coiled yucca). It takes a meticulous eye to get it as fine and even as you are doing here. Keep up the good work :dblthumb:

    Another good coating might be beeswax, or an oil/wax mixture...easy to fix up or reapply more if it wears.
     
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    Funny you should say that, I have a compound I call bee butter; 50:50 Mineral Oil:Beeswax, that I use on my projects. I'm also rolling the idea of a canvas outer shell anorak made from a painters tarp I grabbed on sale, using that mix to waterproof. I like cheap materials, I keeps my wallet in my own pocket ;)
     
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    I've used straight BLO on cordage, just to see what it would do. Stiff, slightly scratchy and much darker with a tendency to warp a bit because of unevenness in the twist.
    This all worked in my favor when I tried cord wrapping a knife handle for more grip and a bit thicker handle. It stayed put very well, but wasn't permanent like resin. It's better with hemp, than jute, for me, anyway.

    I've also tried Obenauf's HP on cordage which got a little darker and softened the feel of the cordage. The feel of it changes after the oils and wax dry. Effective, but a little strange. Pretty good for drawstrings and obviously, it's a backup tinder.

    Most uses for beeswax are kind of iffy in Arizona. It's so freaking hot during the day that beeswax can get slick in direct sunlight, so I tend to use candle wax or the stink-pretty waxes my wife hoards, after she's done with them, of course.

    My wackadoo experiments are geared toward not having stuff melt while I'm doddering around out in the desert or keep a bit of gear stashed in the car.
     
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    It's all in the AO I guess! Up here in the 'cut I can mostly get away with the beeswax without going slick.

    Good tips, I'll take them under advisement!
     
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    Excellent!! I will enjoy watching this one play out. Plus, it's nice to have someone around that can change diapers, that's a skill I no longer seem to have. ;)
     
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    Despite my limited time, during naps I can whip through some progress..

    Sory, I'm tired, I'll try knot to tie up this thread with half stitched puns...

    Getting bigger;
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    You can see where I began understanding how to progress the pattern;
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    The girls are napping, so more later!
     
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    You've got a nice tight start to that ....... impressive.
     
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    Thanks man, I'm glad you think so, it needs to be as tight as possible if I hope to treat it to be at least water resistant. There have been muck ups along the way and I'm positive I can see daylight in a couple spots no matter what my wife says.. I'm learning along the way, as it is with most of my projects. I find myself staring off into nowhere sometimes, I run scenarios in my head and then do the one I liked or thought would work best.

    As Coach Klein always says, "Visualize and attack!" Although he was also credited with saying " what mama don't know, won't hurt her.."
     
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    So I'm coming to terms with how much of a pain in the buttocks this is going to be making the sides, so I'm going to widen that sissel a little with some jute.

    Here is a "butterfly" lanyard knot, simple quick and about four times wider than either material by itself;

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    Knot a section, sew it, knot a section, sew it.

    Here's the doner material;
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    What do you folks think?
     
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    Been following . . . . . . Very excited to see your next post and the progress you've made.
     
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    Was a bit busy today, didn't get much done on this. So, as you lot are following a build along, you deserve any update rather than none!

    New pattern on the outermost loop;
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    Next round follows the pattern of the previous;
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    Where I'm at currently and the reason I'm behind, don't go too hard on her!
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    Thanks for taking a peek, more soon.
     
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    Very nice! Sleeping baby... brings back memories.
     
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    Haha, you might as well admit now that you're making it for Natalie
     
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    Actually... I have a length of lucet woven red wool I'm am also working on, I'm making her some shoes!
     
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    Here's how slow I am folks!
    So my intended diameter will be just big enough to put my kettle with its soot bag inside and be able to get it out.

    Couple of inches to work on;
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    Maintaining a nice thin disk, not too much variation;
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    I wish I had this grasp on the progression to begin but it will do just fine. There's always next time! :D
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    @Hoof, here's the wool I mentioned;
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    Thanks for looking folks, as always, more to come!
     
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    Working a long project, especially one with so much detail work as stitching jute through sissel makes change in pace welcome.

    Done with the diameter of the bottom, it fits my new kettle with a little wiggle room;
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    I've started now on the next stage moving upward.

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    Up/over the edge, under/over the strand, through the stitching, up/over the edge.

    Repeat for one rotation;
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    Looks like a baseball stitch;

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    Hitting a change in the process feels like progress, but that's misleading unless the sides go way faster than the base did;
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    More to come, hopefully some more today.

    Thanks for stopping in!
     
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    Looks really cool!
     
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    Joining row two inches from done!

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    Stitching in the end of the new line;

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    All tucked in;

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    Butterfly lanyard knot, jute and that same sissel we've been using;

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    Easy knot, two loops that you feed into to other, tighten, repeat;

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    First couple inches in place.

    This will be the long haul...

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    Break/baby/food/sleep time. More to come.
     
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    Coming along nicely! :dblthumb:

    Good idea to bulk up the coils a bit. I like that loop-chain lanyard knot....too bad the chain won't show on the finished coil, it's neat looking.

    Your posts are reminding me how, as a coiled basket grows, each row starts taking longer....and longer..........and longer, lol. Coiling is not a fast process! Your patience and consistency are admirable. A little OCD is a big help with this stuff, lol...;)

    Keep up the good work!
     
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    Au contraire my friend, I'm passing the stitches into the outer loops of the chain, the face you see now is (mostly) what will show up going forward. We're moving away from wrapped coil basketry and into something else..
     
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    First row to the show!

    Got the first one on, way more stitching than the next hundred or so!

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    The pattern;

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    That first overlap;
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    Baby is down for lunch then we're walking the 'neighborhood'.

    More tonight friends. (Avoiding baby crying, diapers, evening feedings, gross huggies, infant joy; kiddy laughing, mom napping, oversized poops, quiet resting siestas, talking uniformly vexed whispers, X-hausted zzz's)

    Sorry, got carried away, endless stitches is thinking work, that is to say; find something else to think about because it's BORING.
     
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    Looking good man!
     
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    Your attention to the smallest details is impressive ......... not to mention your patience !! Good work buddy !
    Several pictures back you showed a wood contraption with some red string/twine on it. What is it called ? I'm assuming its for weaving or knotting thinner product into thicker ?

    Thanks
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    Thanks man! That is a lucet, heres a post I did;

    https://bushcraftusa.com/forum/threads/lucet-the-viking-cord.200647/

    Thanks for looking everybody!
     
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    Exceptional work there...I need to find my old book on Naval macramé to send you...being a Marine there are some old weaving paterns you may have seen on base at the quarterdeck that were made by some seasoned Sailor....nice work.
     
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    Ah yes, the venerable "marlin spike" tradition. I am familiar, though if you find that book let me know! I have a thirst for written knowledge of what interests me. As I have said here before, I like knots. Case in point, instead of sewing a canvas bag to go on my toggle/bandolier I am knotting one.

    (As a marine, I tied the railings at the BAS in lieu of a sailor, the Doc Chief had seen my work and fell in love with my five faceted French whip. Now, fellas, that's not as dirty as it may sound....)
     
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    Slow goings boys and girls, who'd of guessed, a baby complicates things?

    While I find time to heckle, cajole and heck, even encourage(!) I find myself short on time for hand crafts. I'm about three feet into the cord/butterfly knot for the sides of my bag and find myself with less and less time for that, more and more. While three feet may seem like a lot, remember I need to wrap it around the circumference of the bag to gain a vertical 1/3 inch.

    Please offer another knot, something wider for taking up room! I'm half tempted to try crocheting sissal!!

    It seems like admitting defeat to me to CHEAT and sew another material (canvas, linen, denim or buckskin) into the gap and speed this up. This has turned into less of a field kit and more of the pride of a tall ship sailor's sail-maker bag. That is to say an accoutrement of sewing, splicing, carving and scrimshaw carry all goodness.

    I will continue to plough forward and knot endless coils of alternating materials until I find another means to speed this up...

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    Keep at it man. Time is the driving factor of impatience.
    I would tend to think you'll have much more of a feeling of accomplishment if you make it through with the original intent - only at your own pace.
    Great job so far !!
     
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    staple gun...seriously, i'm very impressed. nice work.
     
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    Very nice work!
     
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    Looking good !!
     
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    That bag is coming along my friend! I just read through the thread and that looks like a lot of work! It is coming along nicely.

    Good to see you doing your homework on this. Always helps to have a bit of insight on the challenge at hand. Sometimes I swear I spend more time researching than doing though :rolleyes:
     
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