Discussion in 'Edged Tools' started by jordanzwon1, Jun 17, 2019.
do I need a SAK if I carry a leatherman?
Is this a trick question?
1 SAKs are always needed, 2 they are all you need lol
there's water in your air and oxygen in your water -- do you need both?
I'd say it depends on where you're going.
I'm a Leatherman semi-fan. I still have the one my Dad gave me in 1993, but the metal edges tend to work on my fingers after awhile. It will do everything, but you have to be used to it.
I'd think its the opposite. Ive tried several (4 or 5) multutools over 20 years, even forced myself to carry them. I always reached for my knife in my pocket. Despite being in construction I never used the thing, if I was at work I had the tools I needed right there. I had a smaller Wingman in my EDC bag because I'm was on a motorcycle a lot, but I never used it and I have tools in my tailbag. I have sold every one I've bought, they're just dead weight to me.
An SAK is infinitely more useful, mostly for the blade.
I can think of a couple jobs where it would be convenient, or to have in an emergency kit, but otherwise I'd rather have an SAK.
I’ve been leaving the leatherman at home since I got a one handed trekker...but my leatherman is an original PST with a broken tip blade and plyers that stick shut...if I had a nice new Wave I might have your conundrum more often.
But if you needed a new wave, you'd have one and be carrying it. SAK wins. HaHa
What he said
I only have one Leatherman, a Wave with bit extender and both bit sets, while I have a bunch of SAKs and SAK-style pieces. Out and about from my home base, I will only carry one or the other, more often a SAK.
But when I travel and am not carry-on only, I'm more likely to bring the Leatherman, if not both.
Relevant real-life example, I have some international travel planned beginning of next month, will be in an urban environment. I plan to bring both my Wave and my Swiss Champ. But the Wave I plan to leave in my hotel room while my Swiss Champ I plan to carry around in my pocket.
SAKs are wonderful for cleaning your fingernails, opening your mail, and cutting the occasional slice of cheese.
I'm not 100% serious, but the configurations they come up with are less than ideal. They aren't the most edc friendly option. And they usually lack the implement I really need, or its configured in such a way to be nearly useless in my situation (Phillips driver on the backspring, for instance).
Victorinox should borrow some ideas from the competition and stop riding on the momentum they built up in 80's when they were THE multitool to have.
I dont sound like it, but I am a huge SAK fan. But everyone else blows them away in terms of ease of carry, overall utility/function.
Depending on which leatherman you carry, the SAK may be superfluous.
I carry both, but not at the same time. If I'm in the woods and especially if I'm fishing or on the water I'll have a Leatherman. I carry a SAK more as day to day pocket knife.
I'm the Leatherman vote. The Wave gives me a decent 1 handed opening blade in straight or serrated, pliers I can use ( catfish bite ) and a few other tools that are useful. All in a comfortable carry belt pouch. I like SAK's, have owned a few. But the convenience and greater strength of the Leatherman takes the gold every time.
Although it has multiple tools, and despite some forums pushing it into that category, I don't really consider the SAK a multitool. I feel its a knife with conveniences of some commonly used items. I feel the leatherman is exactly the opposite. Its a tool that happens to have a knife blade on it for convenience. I don't believe Victorinox has to ride a coat tail because they aren't trying to. People that own them use them regularly exactly as they were intended. Mostly to cut, occasionally saw small stuff, and to pry. I rarely ever need pliers or a file or a socket set or I need more than the leatherman multitool can do in which case those tools are right there anyway, or its so rare that it wouldn't inconvenience me to walk to the truck or garage to get them.
Plus, if you carry a leatherman you cant justify some Knipex 5" or 6" pliers. Swiss and German in your pocket.
sak's were the first multitools.
Leatherman have better knife blades in higher quality steel.
I'm not arguing, just pointing out that there is a lot of overlap, and that a leatherman can do everything a SAK can do, but better.
I dont have a truck full of tools attached to me, so a quality multitool is indespensible and has saved the day too many times to count.
You've got me there
Those look awesome!
Still feel they are completely different. I never considered the SAK anything but a knife with some handy tools made generally for lighter work. I've never found anything the SAK blade steel couldn't handle and I can sharpen it easily too. And I always carry another knife if I needed something else.
I agree that the leatherman is heavier duty but it also weighs half a pound. A glove box or bike tailbag might be handy, or if you worked a job where it was infinitely useful on a regular basis. I have tools in my bike, at my house, in my garage, my work truck is basically one big rolling toolbox.
I'm on the opposite end from you, which is fine. I'm not opposed to it as a tool, just carrying one everyday.
Like $25 for 5" or 6" on Amazon.
I think I just found a replacement for the gawd awful pot grippers that come with GSI mess kits.
I was thinking the same thing!
My Leatherman Fuse is my travel tool. Almost lost it to a Peruvian fisherman. He loved it. In hindsight I should have given it to him, but i still had a week and a half of travel. If I had a second knife...maybe.
Been using Leathermen tools of one sort or another for years.
Makes me think I might be SAK-deficient. I am afraid of the rabbit hole that Custom made SAK's might offer.
I think @Wasp might know of a place where SAK's of all sizes are shown off.
But the leatherman is WAY heavier and my Wave doesn't really bring anything all that useful to my game that my Huntsman doesn't have other than pliers.
I have a Leatherman super tool circa 1994 and a 80s sak. I like both, if I'm camping I like the sak. For every thing else the Leatherman all the way,
If I need pliers I bring them with or use my SAK ones depending on what I have on me.
I have a muti-plier that I rarely use and a squirt as a tiny little back up /psk tool
SAKs are extremely popular here on this forum. A lot of people love them. I love them too, but objectively speaking they are inferior to a lot of Leatherman models. The amount of useful and well-made tools on a Wave, Surge, or any other model that isn’t in the “small” class is just unbeatable in comparison to SAKs. Also, the build on Leathermans is significantly stronger. An average Wave will take much more punishment than an average Fieldmaster.
In my experience the tools and the layout are much superior on Leathermans. I love my Huntsman and EvoGrip but I would never choose them over a medium or large-class Leatherman.
The term multitool literally means an item that contains more than one tool built into it. The Swiss Army Knife is, by definition, a multitool.
I'm not beyond understanding the most literal definition of the word, but when someone says multitool they generally don't say "You mean Swiss Army Knife?"
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.
Yes, and specifically an alox pioneer or farmer. After you get one you can stop carrying the leatherman
I love my old Leatherman 300, but the Vic spirit or cyber yeoman get carried alot more often.
Spirit and Spyderco mule in a pocket sheath with a multi bit screwdriver from picquic is a good work loadout, not woods or hiking though.
The Cyber yeoman and a pair of knipex dikes and needle nose pliers are in my small electrical kit.
For knife things? SAK.
However, if I am already carrying a fixed blade the multitool is more useful for random stuff.
Leatherman Juice CS4 is small enough not to be annoying.
This has been a great thread to follow! Lol so still say a SAK I like the tool layout on the huntsman I have (technically it’s not the huntsman since it has the Phillips screwdriver but it’s the boyscout version they called the huntsman ) it has the tools I need for in the field. I have a leatherman juice and my gf carries it. I had the mut but it was to specific use for me. The signal intrigues me but several of the tools would be redundant in my kit and in an inferior way (sharpener and ferro rod) I never much liked how the tools felt in my hand but like the versatility. For me the SAK was the best of both worlds. I wish you could order a SAK with just the tools you want but that’s me. Ultimately this comes down to personal opinion and emotion.... and just like issues everyone has at least one lol
I want pliers, screw drivers and a bottle opener. The blade is just a happy little extra. The leatherman skeletool is my go to multitool.
I love the idea of SAKs but never end up carrying them and end up trading them away after a couple weeks. I hate having a SAK just floating around in pocket. A pocket clip is a must for me (same reason I don't carry traditional pocket knives). And in my experience, some of the smaller tools on the SAK can be tricky to open. I think they are great, but for me it's gonna be a leatherman.
got my first SAK a month or so ago after years of hearing just how great they are. eh...okay just not all that impressed. have a leather man on my duty belt and the only time i use it is the pliers when i want to pick something that i would prefer not to touch or leave finger prints on. it's also a plus to see the shift commanders face when you drop something on his desk that you are holding with pliers. i think of both as knives with other stuff added, so if i had to pick one or the other then it would be the sak
The thread title sounds like a Battlebots bout matchup!
Is ANY of this ever about need?
I’ve carried a Leatherman Pulse for a very long time, maybe 25-30 years. It’s probably been at least 50 years since I owned a SAK. For no real reason, I just never thought much of them.
Yeah, you are right, I shouldn’t have asked if I need one. I don’t need most of the stuff I buy. I just see a lot of people talking about Swiss Army knife’s. I carry a Leatherman wave on me every day. I use it all the time. I wasn’t sure if there was something on the Swiss Army knife that I was missing that potential he made it a better every day tool.
When I was in the Army I carried both. I used my leatherman more than my SAK. However there was that one time I needed both, on KP and the kitchen industrial can opener was broke so I showed everyone how to use the the SAK and leatherman can openers and we were back in buisness.
Now in my civilian life I use a SAK more and I have not carried a leatherman in years.
I just boils down to what your needs are. If you carry a leatherman and already have a SAK carry both to see what you think. @jordanzwon1 If you dont have a SAK sent me a PM I have a knock off that I will send you, that way if you like it then you can get a real SAK.
GOD Bless you and your family
Added a poll. Cast your vote. Let’s see what the everyone thinks.
I carry both every day. I do have to admit however that I use the SAK way more than I do the leatherman. I have thought about dumping the leatherman several times but they both sit perfectly in my pocket.
I like Leatherman tools and their like, but have never carried one on my person. In the car, absolutely. I know a knife is a tool, and maybe SAKs even a little more so, but for my purposes, a tool with a cutting blade as the main use work for my needs. Fun thread!
Well said. My thoughts exactly. I just started carrying the ot clone that @MrFixIt introduced us to. A SAK will probably be on my Christmas list.
While in the military I carried a sog paratool. If I needed one I would get another.
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I own 4 SAKs and two Leathermans. I carry two SAKs in my pocket every day and a leatherman in my work bag which I have with me Monday - Friday. The SAKs get used constantly, the Leatherman very rarely.
Victorinox tools in my experience have better fit and finish and function better than Leatherman tools. My PS4 is loose with every tool able to move side to side in it's pivot. It's still useful and a great design. I've been one of the few people who didn't have the scissor spring break. It's an amazing little tool, but the tools design and their fit and finish do not compare IMO. I've carried a Pioneer for over 5 years now and the simple set of tools is so handy in my day to day life that I couldn't see carrying a different knife. The knife blades on both of my Leathermans seem like an afterthought, I avoid using them except for the most abusive jobs because they have little use outside of that. And the more I use the rest of the tools the more I find myself disappointed with the majority of the tools on my Leathermans with the exception of the pliers which are well done on both, the file on my Rebar but not the one on my PS4, the Philips drivers, and the saw. Where Leatherman did a fine job on some of these core tools, others I find to be lacking by comparison. They feel more like filler just to add to the tool count rather than well thought out functional tools. YMMV
Toothpick and tweezers.
I have two SAKs and two Leathermans, but I gave one away to my father. I carry a Wave+ with two bit kits and an extender, and it does everything my SAKs do (Huntsman and EvoGrip) and so much more. The saw on the Wave is better, the steel is better, the build is more durable, there are many more tools on the Wave, and the blade is better shaped for detailed woodcarving, which I use it for quite a bit.
I don’t think you need anything else, but if you want a SAK to try it out, go for it. They’re great tools, but don’t expect them to fill the shoes of your Wave.
I carry a Leatherman Wingman and SAK Farmer (which gets an occasional rotate with the Ozark Trail clone).