September Bushcraft Rendezvous in the Jemez Mountains.

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  1. redneckron

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    This is a follow up to the to June Bushcraft Rendezvous and kicking the can down the road due to fires and the restrictions that come with them. I am starting the conversation at the same place but I would put the proposed Friday through Sunday dates: Sept 22 through Sept. 24 or Sept 29 through the Oct 1? Please share your thoughts.
     
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    I don't know how many of you hunt but we could squeeze in a little early squirrel hunting to cook over the fire. There definitely is not a lack of squirrels in the Jemez.
     
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    Never been hunting but I'm sure willing to try. Also seconding the weekend dates. What campground/area are we looking at exactly?
     
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    We will be dry camping. The location will be as the same place we were going to be at in June-at this point.
     
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    I'd rather hunt squirrel than almost any other game animal!

    Those dates can work for me.
     
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    Ok, found the spot now. I ask because my girlfriend expressed an interest in coming along but she has health issues that prevent her from sleeping rough so the camp being easily to reach in a car helps a lot.
     
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    Stompy you can drive up there anytime and checkout the area. That way you can find out if it is suitable for you girlfriend's health challenges. NM Coyote produce some good information on how to get there in June Rendezvous thread. You would find it very useful if you haven't been in that area before.
     
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    @Stompy, as @redneckron said it should be pretty accessible by all. Also, I believe there are developed camgrounces not too far away. There is no reason you couldn't camp there and drive over for the get together and any activities we do if that would work better for her.
     
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    That is right. There is United States Forest Service "San Antonio campground" between La Cueva and Turn off Forest Service Road 376. There is also a State Campground at Fenton Lake.
     
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    It's just that she'd need to sleep in the car rather than in a hammock on on the ground. It's hypothetical anyway, her coming out.
     
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    I was looking for more input from those that might be interested in a September Bushcraft meet and greet dates?
     
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    There seams to be flexibility from the inputs and so lets plan the September Jemez Mountains Bushcraft Rendezvous meet and greet for Friday Sept 29 through the Saturday Oct 1
     
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    This might be doable for me. I need to double check a date for a concert I'm attending in Phoenix. For now, put me down as attending.
     
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    I hope you can make it
     
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    I will sure try to make that trip. I would vote for Sept 29-Oct 1.
     
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    This the Rendezvous location intersection of Forest Service Road 376 and 604 on the Jemez Forest District off of State Highway 126 between Cuba and La Cueva in the Jemez Mountains.


    I borrowed this from June Rendezvous thread that Coyote Ron Posted:


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    Or make it easy on yourself and just type N35.87008 W106.67223 into the google maps search function. This should get you within 100 yards or so. Warning, I'm not sure there is cell service in the area so print a map before you come if you need it.

    If coming from the North (Colorado) I would recommend taking Highway 4 through Los Alamos (or White Rock). From the west there is a road that goes through from Cuba. The last time I took it 20 years ago it was dirt but RedneckRon tells me it is paved now. From the south I would take 550 out of Bernalillo to 4 and go through Jemez Springs.
     
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    I cut and paste the location of that area from NM_Coyote's thread into Google Earth and it took me right there (N35.87008 W106.67223). That's a very nice looking place, with lots of camp sites. Maybe the aspens will be turning yellow. It could be a good place to hunt grouse. I've hunted squirrels in the Jemez before, and there are lots of them. But to find the grouse you have to be up in that high aspen country. There could be some elk around, too, and maybe the bulls will be bugling at night and early in the morning. Expect chilly nights at that elevation (that's gotta be 8000 ft) in late Sept. There are lots of little dirt roads in that area so it could be a good place to have a 4 wheeler. Maybe I'll bring mine. I recommend getting a copy of the USFS Santa Fe National Forest map. That shows most of the roads in the area, and a bit of the topography.
     
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    Gila Dog, I will be bringing my 4 wheeler and getting mine serviced right now for a August trip to Silverton Colorado. Also, working on the ill fated trailer brakes and lights on my Car Hauler. LOL!!
     
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    The map your refering is a motor vehicle use map or MVUM in USFS goverment language. It tells what is open and closed to vehicles, vehicle restrictions by class and also shows camping corridors.
     
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    Well, my girlfriend is going to DC that weekend, so it looks like I am free! It will be a four hour drive for me, but I should be able to take off work on Friday.

    If anyone else is coming from the Four Corners area, I'd be happy to carpool!
     
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    I am pretty sure we can make that date. We have a rendezvous Aug. 6 to 13 we are trying to attend also.
     
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    I am hoping you can make it Capt. and will be a good time. Do you have a black powder squirrel Rifle?
     
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    I'm hoping to have a varmint rifle by then, if not it's hard to miss with a shotgun. I'd love to cook up some squirrel.
     
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    Shotguns would be fine but a 22 rifle would make it a little bit more challenging and fun.
     
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    I've been eyeing an air rifle for squirrels and rabbits. Inexpensive to buy, and ammo is plentiful and cheap too. Still, a .22 should be in every safe.
     
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    @gus1911 and I have been kicking around ideas for a Bushcrafting project/workshop that would help further anyone who is working on Bushclass certification but would be interesting to anyone not interested in Bushclass.
    We came up with the idea of an interactive time sharing skills around a "Skills Cluster". A large element in Bushclass and Bushcrafting in general is the art of Firecraft. So we thought we might organize a couple hour voluntary session that would be devoted to working on/discussing/demonstrating fire skills at whatever level anyone wants to participate.

    Guss1911 is working on the Advanced Certification, I am nearly finished with the Basic and hope to be working on Intermediate by that time. So between us we can demonstrate/talk about most of the official Bushclass exercises. The idea is not for this to be teacher/student but hands on mutual sharing and encouragement. We all have skills at some level and a number of you may be more skilled than either of us so I am hoping to learn a lot myself. I hope you will come prepared to share your specialty.

    Some of the topics we might discuss include (but not limited to):
    - Feather-stick/shavings fire
    - Ferrorod firestarting
    - Twig fire
    - Split-wood fire
    - One stick fire
    - Natural and Manmade tenders
    - Char-cloth
    - Natural char-materials
    - Material collection and processing
    - Different Fire-lays
    - Direct-fire cooking
    - Flint and Steel firestarting
    - Solar magnification firestarting
    - Friction Fire (firesets and technique)

    We probably don't have time for all of these and so we wanted to get your input as to what you want to focus on. What do you think?

    Coyote Ron
     
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    A good air rifle is a viable option. Most of my squirrel/rabbit hunting in high-school was with a Benjamin pneumatic (.177) or a Crossman CO2 (.22). My dad was a trapper and put a bounty on them for trap bait. (As if we needed a reason. :4:)

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    You guys can hunt squirrels if you want. I've hunted them up in that area before, and they are plentiful. But they smelled and tasted like spruce trees. Yuk! There may be some grouse around, tho, and those would definitely be worthwhile. Even tho a .22 is perfect for hunting squirrels, a shotgun will open up the possibilities for grouse. I'll probably just take my bow and shoot stumps and pine cones. My main contribution to the fire practice will be to make some quesadillas in my Dutch oven on your fire.
     
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    I like the idea of the "classes". I do want to ask what we're doing about food. Is it an every man for himself kinda situation or are we gonna do communal meals?
     
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    The plan is for everyone to handle their own meals. We will probably have various people making something as a demo that can be sampled/shared (squirrel stew? for example) But that will probably not be able to feed the whole group a meal. So plan accordingly.

    :11: You mean squirrels aren't supposed to be Pinesol flavored?!?! Man, the things you learn on this site! :34:
    There's a reason we saved em for trap-bait.

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    There might be an opportunity for a Potluck but we need to wait for everyone to show up then everyone can determine that but just planning for yourself would be the right course..
     
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    I'll throw a couple extra things in the cooler just in case since it's a drive up campsite.
     
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    Just curious is you set the date for sure, is it Sept. 29? I am planning on coming up from Oklahoma if you would not mind.
     
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    Those are the set dates but also understand that this is US forest Service land (public land) and there could easily be restrictions. So, plan on those dates and we don't mind a bit if you come..
     
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    wait...what? you don't like the taste of spruce???

    [sidebar]

    buddy and I were travelling in NM years ago and he hands me some spruce needles and says "here, put these in your mouth, they're a natural breath freshener"

    I'm thinkin' "sure, buddy...I didn't just fall off the turnip wagon"

    he sees my hesitation and says "no...really...go ahead", so like any fool, I jump off of the bridge

    hmmm...nice!

    a month later I'm back home, walking into the local home supply store with #1 son, and they have spruce Christmas trees outside the door

    like any good dad, I pull some needles off and hand them to son and tell him about nature's breath mint

    naturally, he knows that dad wouldn't lead him wrong so he puts them in his mouth, after which he immediately spits and sputters and coughs

    so I put some needles in my mouth

    can you say "fire retardant"?

    [/sidebar]

    that looks like a great spot and I'm salivating at the thought of being out there but have another group campout that weekend

    you guys have a great time!

    hopefully you'll have no fire restrictions
     
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    The fire-retardant squirrels are all downwind of the recent burn zone. :18:

    We'll miss you.

    Coyote Ron
     
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    I wonder if you can cook them fire retardant squirrels?
     
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    Probably have to boil them.
     
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    @redneckron , these are kinda your stompin' grounds, right?

    the tent rocks there...

    how is the road coming up the mesa from La Cueva? (probably depends on the season, unless it's bad ALL the time)

    or would it be better to take 604 from the west?

    #2 daughter wants to visit the tent rocks at Cochiti, but these may do nicely
     
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    I've got a bag of juniper bark that I can bring for others to play with. I also have a box of birch bark in case anyone would like an opportunity to play with it, since it's not found out here.
     
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    The State Road 126 between La Cueva and turn off point on 376 is paved but FR 376 is gravel but campers go down it all the time. you can access FR 376 earlier but the Gilman tunnels which it goes thru was closed last time I knew. Let us set up time we can talk on the phone if you want. PM when you can.
     
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    Me and Mrs are in! And I have a .36 cal BP that I can bring if anyone else wants a BP only hunt.
     
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    As for the classes, I used to belong to a muzzleloader club in the midwest. I taught boy scouts and girl scouts primitive fire (flint and steel, making your own char cloth) and would be glad to show anyone. I also have the Hudson Bay tobacco tin with the burning lens if anyone wants to try it. I can bring some extra round tins ( I think I have 3 left) to poke the hole, cut up a denim shirt into patches, and "cook" their own cloth. I used to also use my flinter to start fires but alas she has gone to the big deer herd in the sky..... Unless I steal it back from my son!!!! I used to make the scouts cut their own fat wood but I think that might be frowned upon. They used to build my shelter for me to sleep in. We would use willow branches and make a hut and I would cover it with 2 canvas painters tarps. With the hole in the middle of the roof for smoke. Always worked great in the winter and usually woke up with a couple scouts curled up inside in their sleeping bags staying warm!
     
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    The only organized part of the weekend is 2 the meet-and-greet fires and a time to share/practice firecraft.

    All camping/meals and other activities are private. So please plan accordingly. There should be a fair amount of time left over for other activities. I posted about some possibilities in the previous thread but will re-post here.

    The Jemez mountains are rich with opportunities:
    -- There is some fantastic hiking throughout the region.
    -- There are a couple of small lakes nearby with trout opportunities
    -- The Jemez is a geological oddity with lots of geo-thermal activity, obsidian and other unique minerals (flint-knapping anyone?). It also contains the Valles Cauldera a 13 mile wide volcanic crater. There are tent-rocks, narrow slot canyons, and some impressive waterfalls that can be hiked.
    -- Hot springs. There are many that can be hiked to. Two large undeveloped hot spring pools are popular locations. Warning, they are understood to be clothing optional by nearly everyone but the Forest Service. If you want to drive down to Jemez Springs there are developed options where you can enjoy a soak in either a public or private bath.
    -- There are many Anasazi era ruins and dwellings to investigate a Bandolier National Monument.
    -- If you are historically minded their is a pretty good museum in Los Alamos documenting the birth-place of the Atomic Age.
    -- As some have noted there are hunting opportunities throughout the region.

    I'm sure I've missed a lot but these are just a few to consider.

    One note, this is at 8000 feet. It will be getting cool at that time especially at night so if you are not familiar with the region you will want to have a coat, etc.

    Coyote Ron
     
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    Good to know about the elevation. Will plan accordingly.
     
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    BTW, just for grins I thought I'd mention that the Valles Cauldera features prominently in the Louis L'Amour novel: Radigan. L'Amour was famous for is accurate descriptions of the Geographic setting of his books. Also, the book contains some pretty good description of early survival/bushcrafting in the area. Kinda fun to read and then identify the features described on the ground. And to imagine what the area would have would have been like when it was really un-touched.

    Just a thought.

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    How difficult are the hikes? I've not been hiking in years and that was back in Florida which is a different animal than here.
     
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  49. NM_Coyote

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    There are many levels from easy difficult to choose from. I think I may have a trail guide for the area.

    Coyote Ron
     
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  50. redneckron

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    I don't hike but usually just walk in forest when I find something interesting to see or when hunting.
     
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