Short handle brush hooks, modified? DIY sawteeth info also. My first tutorial, pic heavy.

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    So I have 2 of these, 1 a fiskars and the other a no-name from tractor supply.

    Been toying with the idea of putting saw teeth on the back of one or both, the fiskars weighs less and has a partial hollow handle.

    Looking for something like a woodsman's pal but weighing less, for when I go up the side of streams middle of nowhere hunting trout.

    Anyone have one, and have you modded it?

    Leaning towards the fiskars for weight and storage in the handle.
     
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    I'd love to see how to cut teeth for a saw. Tutorial?
     
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    +1, please! :dblthumb:
     
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    There was a DIY sawback thread on here posted by @field-expedient some time ago, and I've been searching for it in vain for some time. Anyone else remember it, and what it was titled?

    I may have to do my own after watching a few videos and a trial run.

    My goal is teeth like on a SAK which seem to do well.
     
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    Well, I went digging back in the archives as far as July 2015 anyway.

    There was a link to his thread, but the links broke. There is another thread with a video I'm about to check out, if it's good I'll share it.

    Stopped at Walmart after work tonight and bought some needle files.

    I'll keep you all posted, the hunt continues...
     
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    ETA: neither of these videos are mine, but this first one was another member after talking to @field-expedient referencing the original DIY sawteeth thread.

    Somewhere in the "play it next" on one of these videos are also two vids from our own Iz Turley about sawteeth as well. Apparently the serrations on a Randall do good on aluminum and plexiglas and not so much on wood, but the ones on the bolt knife or ASEK do better.

     
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    Update:

    Bought 2 sets of diamond needle files at harbor freight Wednesday, $7 a set. My truck took a crap the same day, grateful I have something else to drive.

    Back on topic, going to start on the no name from tractor supply first, since it's the "garage" and loaner piece. I'll see which files do better. Once I've got it somewhat handled, I'll do the fiskars.

    I highly encourage others to post their try/attempt at the same, doesn't matter what it's on. Pirate this thread all you want!

    I'm going to try on these, and will go from there if I have success.

    We'll see if I can get a start after work tomorrow, but it's highly likely to take longer. Might not be for 5 or 6 days because of other stuff going on.

    Anyway, that's where I'm at so far. Thanks everyone.
     
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    No saw teeth, but here is one I modified with a new handle, and a splitting wedge on the spine.

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    Wicked! I like it!

    How'd you add the wedge? Overall length? Weight?

    Looks like half a baseball bat?
     
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    Well, time to get started... 1525755763634127528378.jpg
     
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    These are just my steps, making it up as I go... Measuring thickness. Just shy of 1/8". 15257560682901562060355.jpg
     
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    3mm actually. Going to shade in the marked area with a Sharpie marker so I know when I've gone deep enough. Teeth should be same depth as the thickness in this case, which is a first attempt. 1525756525631715154636.jpg
     
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    There we are. Time to put in the vise and have at it. Going to try the Wally world plain one first, then the harbor freight diamond one. Using the triangular files. 152575674958236614210.jpg
     
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    Approximately 10min later, first notch done. Haven't tried the diamond one yet. 15257578876831674332826.jpg 15257579406581971502674.jpg 15257579996991276653015.jpg
     
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    Amd here we are, 1 tooth set. Used the diamond this time, seemed to go quicker. 1525759102741262744139.jpg 15257591380931238042797.jpg
     
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    So, rough estimate is 4 teeth per inch or so. One down, 4 3/4" inches to go. I suppose it speeds up the more confident you get, but this is gonna take a while at 20min per tooth lol. 15257593730581032400743.jpg
     
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    2 teeth in... Helps if you're good at eyeballing stuff to keep parallel to where you previously filed.

    Helpful hint: set your initial groove with a regular needle file, then hog it out to about halfway done with a bigger coarser triangle file, then finish with the diamond. 15257606504701173141539.jpg 15257606504701173141539.jpg 15257608054261698972064.jpg
     
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    I'll post a pic of the finished product when I'm done. Have at it fellas! Love to see your efforts!
     
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    looking good so far!
     
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    Here's a better pic, bright metal and light don't make for great photos. 1525762234540581262197.jpg
     
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    An aside as I work on this. Given the reason I started this, I think such an item might be useful for you PNW and AK guys. Anywhere with thick undergrowth where a hatchet or machete just doesn't do it. Down south too, now that I think about it. I think this kinda fixes that. Will have to see how well the saw works.
     
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    Glen Moray and Newcastle...essential tools in a gentleman's workshop, haha!
     
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    You bet, all about recycling here lol. Hamm's is the shop helper tonight.
     
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    Further progress. Couple of hiccups, but it'll run when done. As woodworkers and machinists say, measure, measure again, then measure once more, then cut.

    ETA: I broke the Wally world one a while ago, and the harbor freight one is getting dished, soft metal with the diamond I guess. Been using a medium size triangle from a local store, and have only needed the rectangle needle file to set the groove before going all out. Definitely a learning experience.

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    Here we go, ladies and gentlemen. Tooth set is uneven in spots, but each one is sharp. Not shabby for a first try, especially never having done it before.
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    Takeaway lessons for anyone trying this:

    1. Have a waist high work surface with a vise.

    2. Use a needle file or Dremel to set initial grooves/marks, then use a 3/8" or similar width triangle file to finish. Pretty it up with a diamond needle file after if you feel the need.

    3. It's been said elsewhere, but bears repeating. Don't buy POS tools unless they only have to last one job. I broke one file, dished another out, and essentially dulled another.

    4. This should be #2, measure and set your marks before you start instead of adjusting on the fly. I set the marks and teeth at a 45deg angle to the spine. Give or take. I eyeballed it on the fly, and it shows. Measure 3 times before you set your marks. Especially if you enjoy a tasty beverage in the shop.

    4a. Experiment with the angle of the spine, change that and you change the cut to pull or push. Haven't done that, yet. I kept the spine level for this first try. Level spine = cuts the same on the push and pull.

    5. Try on a piece of scrap before even attempting this on something you give a damn about. Get your technique down then have a go. These can't be undone. Not without a lot of headache or replacing whatever you want to do it to. I'd say that's common sense, but felt the need to reiterate it. See #'s 2 and 4 above.

    6. Before you set your marks, keep in mind how you use your hook/knife or whatever you do this to. Leave room for your thumb on the spine if you index or hold your hook/knife that way for whatever reason. Leave enough towards the tip to leave a flat to baton if that's your thing. Plan accordingly.

    7. This goes with #3. Have your tool match your medium. If you're going to work on hard steel, either anneal it or get a file that's harder. A hard and quality file costs more, enough said.

    ETA: 8. Yes the process speeds up as you gain experience and confidence.

    I think that about sums it up.

    I will not be able to test this myself for a while, going to farm it out to a few hunters and others to see how it does in the meanwhile.

    I'll start a new post with results and pics once I have them.

    Again, feel free to post any of your pics of your DIY sawteeth, whatever you happen to put them on!

    Thanks for reading! 152610793330769893164.jpg
     
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    Man, you HAVE to run outside and cut something with that! Seriously can't believe that after all that hard work you didn't slap a piece of 2x4 in the vise and go after it!!
    Thanks for the tutorial; it's something I've always wanted to try and never gotten around to doing.
     
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    I'll look for a piece of scrap after work tonight, you are correct.
     
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    That is definitely cool nice work!
     
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    Thanks! Amazing what materializes once you set to doing something. Next one will be better!
     
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    Yup, she cuts! 15262843236351090961330.jpg
     
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    So, @ExAF1N1 , what would you say total elapsed time would be from start to finish (even allowing for a slower start)?
     
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    First go? With guesstimating and fumbling? I'll say 7-8hrs all together. If you got your poop in a scoop on the first go, I'd say 6hrs. Likely less than that if youre not screwing off, playing with tunes in the shop, having adult ADD, etc. It definitely gets quicker once you have a feel for what you're doing. This was 4 3/4" of teeth on roughly 1/8 - 3mm stock that I have no idea on the temper. Chinese carbon steel.
     
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    Once you or anyone else does it, in reality you can probably shave a few hours off those times depending on the hardness of the stock. Did mine over 3 nights/mornings after work and did other stuff at the same time.

    Figure on the original times I stated, and be pleasantly surprised if it takes less.
     
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    I am glad it worked. My guess is that it won’t be your go-to saw, but it will be handy to have around. Neat learning experience too.
     
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    As we speak, it has been handed off to a camp of primitive archery turkey hunters in the area for spring turkey. The guy I gave it to, I told him to have everyone beat the snot out of it in a pass-around fashion. We'll see how it fares before I do a Mk 2.
     
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    The turkey hunters didnt get to it, their weekend was rained out. Will have to test it more myself.

    So apparently I'm not the only one that's thought of this. Bought a fiskars one before work today, but the handles shorter. Roughly $30 out the door, same as their regular brush hook. It's heavier, too. Will add a pic when I get home. Thinking what to do on the handle of that one already...
     
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    My frankenhook on top, fiskars purchased earlier today on bottom. 15274054920191032170208.jpg
     
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    That could be a tough one. Having no idea what the tang looks like underneath it's hard to advise. You might want to start just carving away at the unnecessarily bulky spots and see if you can't get the handle to where it feels a little better.
     
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    Definitely an option, was also considering the end of an axe handle or something hollow. Needs to be lighter in the handle whichever way. Decisions, decisions...
     
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