Slice-y alternative to a Mora Classic No.2?

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  1. TheDandyLion

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    I love my Mora Classic No. 2, exceptional handle and just light/small enough to wear around the neck without being a nuisance. I've been carrying it for a long time and it seems like everything I do with it would be best done with a full flat, or even "sabre" grind.

    I investigated a bit on the forum and elsewhere for "Mora Alternatives" and it seems like most people recommend either a paring knife or a Mora 2000 (or another with a tapered grind). The Paring Knife seems great, but most of them are even thinner and smaller than a Mora, plus they lack the "barrel" handle of the Classic No. 2 that I so adore. I'm not opposed to a slightly smaller knife, but all the paring knives I've handled have small, cheap handles with paper thin blades. The Mora 2000 is awesome (I have used mine for years) but has the opposite issue as it is a bit bulkier than I prefer for neck carry. I've also looked into the Cold Steel offerings like the Finn Bear and such, but they are all hollow ground. I really dislike hollow grinds, but the price tag of those combined with the attractive designs make them the leading option so far.

    Does anyone have a suggestion for a more substantial alternative to a paring knife? Slicier Mora? Smaller Mora 2000? However you want to phrase it, it's basically a small-ish knife that has a thinner cutting geometry than the typical Mora but with a similar size/weight/feel. I would prefer to get something fairly inexpensive, but I would pay up to $75 or so if need be. Do any of you have suggestions for one very picky knife fan?
     
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    Cold Steel Peace Maker 3 might be up your alley?
     
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    If you're willing to do a little modification, the Old Hickory boning knife makes a nice slicey alternative. Here's mine that I cut down and rehandled sitting beside a Mora 510. 20190111_220730~2.jpg
     
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    Mikov, flat ground, $10:
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    Or, If you can deal with folding, get an opinel and personalize it.
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    A green river ripper might suit your needs
    has quality steel and can handle it anyway you wish
    mine has became a favorite knife for light slicie applications
     
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    The Classic #2 has been my go-to knife for six years, so I know its virtues and its faults. I get where you're coming from.

    I'm really rocking this brand new Kansbol, but it's going to have the same issues as your 2000.

    Sounds like you're moving away from scandis and puukkos, but before you go you should probably think about a higher grade classic puukko. Ragnar, of blessed memory, passed away recently, but his site, ragweedforge.com, is still up. A wonderful resource. I can't recommend a specific knife because "classic puukko" is a total rabbit hole for me: I've been looking for years but every time I do I find 19 must-haves and get option paralysis.

    If you want the sliciest damn slicer you can get you should at least consider an Opinel. Talk about slicey! I -- like you probably -- have known about them for decades but never felt the pull until I read and re-read a post by @batmanacw: https://bushcraftusa.com/forum/threads/yeah-sure-i-like-opinels.237965/ .

    He's right. And really it’s not an either/or. There is absolutely no reason not to carry a nice fixed blade on your neck or belt and an Opinel in your pocket. That’s what I do now.

    When I'm staring at all my knives and mentally putting them up against each other in cage matches to the death (yeah, I do that), one knife that keeps clawing its way to the top as a slicer, even though it's not the kind of knife you're talking about, is the Victorinox RangerGrip 79. Give it a glance at least. Or maybe the RangerWood 55.

    The Russell Woodswalker is as slicey as you can get but it's smaller and you're wanting bigger.

    A modded Old Hickory, like @happywanderer ’s, has a lot going for it. I have an OH and a Dremmell and have been planning to do that (but a more blunt, Kephart-y tip) for weeks. Maybe this weekend.

    I don't have your answer but I have one last thought. It's the first knife I ever bought with my own money. The Buck 102 Woodsman. It's pretty slicey, and it's a great all-arounder. The cocobolo version is absolutely gorgemous and comes in at one penny under your max price point.

    https://www.dlttrading.com/buck-102-woodsman-cocobolo
     
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    F. Dick 4" rabbit/poultry knife. Small and like a paring knife but a bit stiffer. Flat grind, partial tang, stainless. European made, but not necessarily German.

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    Russell Green River # 2212. Like a little short 4.5" butcher knife. Full flat grind, full tang but broad enough to be less flexible. Definitely slicey. I got some for $10 each but that was a year ago. And the tang and small Beech handle don't make them especially light. Modify the profile to suit you. Carbon steel.

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    How about belt sanding the crap out of a Mora and making it convex or thereabouts? Get an $8 Mora 511 and go to town. Or a wider (taller) model so you have room to maneuver. Cheap as chips though the grinder belt costs $.

    I bought a Cold Steel 3" Pendleton Mini Hunter. Thick Vg-1 flat grind. Got a cheap Kydex neck sheath on Ebay from a place in Virginia because I don't like the CS glass-filled sheath. I like it. Not especially slicey, but I could easily convex it.

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    I want to love the Opinel, I really do, but until they make a plastic handle version without a serrated blade I'm not interested. Every Opinel I've ever had swells shut in my pocket, basically requiring a pair of pliers to withdraw the blade. That's a deal breaker for me, and I've tried all the tricks (soaking/boiling in wax, synthetic coatings, ect.).

    The Buck 102 seems lovely, but I would rather go with one of those Cold Steels. Lighter to wear around the neck and a similar steel for a fraction of the price.
     
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    They do make the 12 explorer with no serrations, but it's gi-normous. Baryonyx Knife Co. recommends the 'coup de savoyard' - tapping the butt end on a hard surface (or even your elbow) to open the blade that first little bit, it works pretty well.
     
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    Yeah, that's not quite what I'm looking for either.
     
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    Why don't you just mod your mora 2 to a full flat grind?

    If you're gonna go full goldilocks, have a look at this guy, he's got some great alternative blades.
     
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    Reprofile a classic #2 to high sabre or full flat?
     
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    Fair ‘nuff.

    Meanwhile I’m over here getting interested in the Russell Green River @USMCPOP just posted. I don’t currently have anything Nessmuk-y in the knife box.
     
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    Just came to mind , my helle Nying is a nice slicer
    A hand filling handle and makes a fine necker , the fore mentioned woodswalker is also top notch but is not as hand filling
     
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    My fault for being super sweaty. I like that skinner profile too, but the little Cold Steel he mentioned seems like it would be easier to carry on the neck.
     
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    I stabilize my Opinels that I modified by just sanding the coatings off, torching them to look nicer, and applying coat after coat of BLO while the wood was still hot. The wood completely consumed about 10 wet coats. Next time I'm just going to keep dunking the handle.

    Now they just don't seem to move much.

    On an unmodified opinel I would consider heating it in the oven to around 250° and then dunking it in BLO for 10 minutes. I'd bet that would seal off the grain and stabilize the wood a lot like I did with my modded Opinels. I'll have to buy a new one to try it.
     
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    The Russell is a heck of a blade , but isn't as suited to neck carry
    I've several and my daughters love them in the kitchen
    but the ripper made by Russell is somewhat lighter and slimmer
    same steel and more suited to neck carry , if slicing is of utmost importance it's like a fixed blade opinel
     
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    I tried a similar procedure with an Opinel. Removed the finish coated it with BLO, heated it up with my heat gun. Did that a few times, letting it dry between coats.

    On a summer hike I still had to pry the blade out because I sweated the handle shut. I've even had stainless knives rust in my pocket...
     
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    You sweaty man! :p
     
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    I might be offended if it wasn't true.
     
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    Check out the Mora "Precision" or the Mora 106.
     
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    Who says you have to open and close an Opinel? Open it, lock it, pin it in place, make a sheath to carry it in the open position and try it out.

    This came to mind reading the other posts and I remembered reading about a ban on fixed blades somewhere. The local outdoor people did just what I described - they made sheaths to carry their folders in an open position. I have a long string on my Svord Peasant so I can tie it down into a fixed blade.
     
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    I imagine Oregon's rainy climate might have a lot to do with it, not just sweat.
     
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    I'm sure someone was offering regrind Moras a while back?
     
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    I agree that the Russell 2212 (AKA 10311) might be a bit much for neck carry, though the handle could be slimmed down a bit. I got several from knifecorral on Ebay. They are getting $15 delivered at present. JANTZ has the blade blank for $10.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/DEXTER-RUS...=item5464366851:g:D8sAAOSwFe5X1sjY:rk:10:pf:0

    The Russell Green River Ripper 2022 looks nice. I may get one.

    Mora regrind, though I'm not sure of Baryonyx is still doing it: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/mora-garberg-regrind-pics.1540080/

    While many enjoy the "scandi" grind on Moras there are others that prefer the high performance of full flat grinds. We have taken to regrinding Moras as our time and inclination dictate and post them here as they become available.
     
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    Have Baryonyx regrind a mora for you. He does stuff like that for a little extra $ when asked. If you need his email address I have it around.
     
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    I was going to suggest sheathing an open Opinel as well

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    Victorinox Rabbit Knife. The Fibrox handle is dense which makes it handle heavy, it may not hang right as a neck knife. I don't know how much tang it has, but it may be a candidate for a rehandle.

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    Remodeled Old Hickory

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    An old unmarked butcher I remodeled into a slicey "Puukko"

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    That's who I was thinking of
     
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    Re-grinding my Mora is my "plan B". For whatever reason I'm not a big fan of major modifications like that, but if that's all I can find then I'll do that.

    As far as a pinned Opinel goes... I'd rather regrind my Mora lol.

    Does opinel make a fixed blade? Boy, that might be the ticket if they did (I already checked).
     
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    Surprisingly interesting thread.
    @Spork , your mods never fail to amaze me.
    @Youcantreadinthedark , "going full Goldilocks" is definitely going to be added to my vocabulary.
    @PLackey , your Opinel mods are machine-perfect, and the Mikov suggestion is spot-on.
    Personally, I'd suggest getting a couple Old Hickory or Forgecraft carvers and having your way with them. The possibilities are endless, the process is extremely enjoyable, and the end result is something that is uniquely yours. If you don't like it, you're out around $15, and learned a ton in the process.
    That being said, the easy button is the Baryonyx regrind.
     
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    Lamnia They come in Black, Orange and Yellow. Knife is called the "Brigand."
     
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    Can't help you with the short blade part, but the Eldris sheath reversed makes a really good handle extension.
     
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    I've pressed that button many times. :)
     
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    Too bad its 420 at 55 rc.
     
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    I had the same thought.

    At this rate I think I'm just going to just off the belt sander and hope I don't ruin my knife lol. It's only 15 dollars, right?
     
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    Well, I tried myself a regrind. I meant to go a bit thinner, but I think this turned out well as is. It slices a LOT better than the standard Mora "scandi" grind, if you look closely you can see that there's a small secondary bevel making this a saber grind, though with a very thin edge. Perfect for my light duty applications. Now I want to do this to all my Moras, because this thing really cuts like a laser.
     
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    Something didn't go well with your picture.....I see blur...
     
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    9B83DFA5-ECF7-42F4-9FB4-0DB87CB214E2.jpeg 4EE99122-34B2-4F2E-972F-8E5B81228C5D.jpeg Another Russell Green River alternative is the Hunter/Fish knife. Don’t let the 5” blade fool you, it’s the same overall size as a Mora Companion HD but much lighter. 1095 steel, nice and thin at the edge and slicey AF ! It also carves really well and is sturdy enough to baton too. The handle looks a little short but the rounded profile is really comfy even in my large hands.
     
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    I was going to suggest a Buck 102. It's very slicey, does a goo job with woodworking. The phenolic handle model is lighter and cheaper than the cocabola.

    Modding your Mora or an Old Hickory is a good plan, too. You can get pretty close to exactly what you want - but my 102 replaced my Moras and modded Old Hicks for general carry.
     
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    Damn, thanks for letting me know. I'll sort that out.
     
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    I appreciate the suggestions still, I'm always interested in new knives lol.

    I love the look of the Buck 102, but the hollow grind combined with the super short handle makes me less fond of it. I have considered the 117, but both are too large to carry anywhere but the belt (my least favorite place to carry). I guess that 102 will just be something to be admired from afar, unless I get a few extra bucks in the future.
     
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    Hess Knives would be my answer!
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    High quality, full height convex, very good slicer, supersharp and at a very attractive price ( around $100).

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