Sodbuster in quality steel?

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  1. batmanacw

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    I'm looking hard at the Great Eastern Cutlery #21 with orange derlin or black linen micarta handles. It has plenty of handle for my huge hands. The 1095 at 58 to 60 rc is a huge improvement over the stainless of the Case Sodbuster at 55 rc if the internet is to be believed.

    I'm wondering if there is a better quality sodbuster I should be looking at. I don't need jibbed bone or fancy polish, but I higher end steel wouldn't hurt.
     
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    I don’t personally think so. The GEC is very nice. I have one and you can’t beat the quality. It’s a working knife and a utility knife so I don’t know how well the price or upkeep of super steel would be received. A few licks on a stone and the 1095 is back in business. Even if nicked you can get it back.
     
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    Queen Cutlery just went out of business and they did their #70 Country Cousins in D2 but I'm not really a D2 fan.
     
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    The Maserin Plow Sodbuster has a D2 blade. It has screw construction and that's a deal breaker for some people. If you aren't set on the Sodbuster pattern, Lionsteel has been making some single blade slipjoints with M390 and there is also the Benchmade Proper in S30V.
     
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    I love GEC, everything I've gotten from them has been excellent. Their 1095 is great too.


    But...you realize there are CV steel Case Sodbuster's right?. The yellow Delrin model has CV steel, a large pivot pin for strength, and costs about $25. Case's stainless is fine unless you just prefer carbon which is also fine. My problems with Case is inconsistent f&f, grind, and dye jobs on models in the last decade or two.

    But if you like the GEC try one, I'm sure you'll like it.
     
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    Adam, have you asked Scott about making a blade for the sodbuster, or is disassembly not doable?
     
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    Maybe you are misunderstanding.

    Those knives you linked aren't sodbusters. I'm not looking for "A" knife. I'm looking for a sodbuster.
     
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    From what I've read the heat treat both steels to around 55 rc. No thanks.
     
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    I'm very specifically looking for a sodbuster. I like the looks of the lion steel but I'm not looking for the premium price. They are also too thick behind the edge. Most better sodbusters look to be very thin behind the edge.
     
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    I'm not up for it. I'd rather keep this low cost.
     
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    this is a good search ...
     
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    Lol...dude, you really need to learn how to use the multiquote feature.

    For a low cost sodbuster, your best bet is the Maserin Plow. I know you don't like D2, but that's the best you're going to find. The sodbuster is a budget knife, made for beating. The people who buy them could care less about steel as long as the knife is cheap.
     
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    I'm simply looking for the best example. That is all.
     
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    I really like the maserin plow, especially the newer released ones that have a lot better fit and finish. I have 2 of them now. Their quality is pretty close, if not as good, to GEC's farm and field line, IMO. I think you're going to be looking at GEC or the Maserin plow from collectorknives for the better sodbuster patterns available. If you don't care for D2, I don't think you will find anything nicer than the GEC bull nose or bull buster (bigger). I liked the micarta and D2 steel so I went for the maserin but I think either would serve you well.

    AG Russell has the cowboy and rancher pocket knives in Chinese stainless, 8cr13mov, so probably not of interest but the few AG knives I've had have been pretty good fit and finish. Springs weren't the strongest on the models I had (muskrat and sowbelly trapper). Sodbusters tend to have strong backsprings so maybe the upped the strength there. Probably still not better than the GEC, just cheaper. The stainless is harder than case runs theirs though.

    I'll disagree with kamagong that people are simply looking for a cheap knife when looking at a sodbuster, or the GEC's wouldn't be selling at all and they sell pretty well from how quickly they are out of stock in the more popular handle materials. If price were the only concern, the GEC's wouldn't sell at nearly 2x the price of the case. Materials matter.
     
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    What about the case sodbusters in CV?
     
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    GEC and the Maserins are an enthusiast's knife. The folks who buy them are willing to pay a little extra. But the vast majority of sodbusters, the Cases and the Brown Mules, are bought because people want a cheap knife.

    Even with their premium cost the Farm and Field line is significantly cheaper than the rest of GEC's offerings.
     
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    At 55 rc? No thanks.
     
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    Call me an enthusiast then. I just want steel harder than 55 rc. I've got SAKs coming out of my ears at around that hardness. It is simply not what I'm looking for.
     
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    The whole point of the Design even the name itself the "Sodbuster" implies a working mans knife. If you find a knife better than everyone else loves for exactly what it already is, its going to cost you, and by your comments its probably going to be a custom, so cheap it ain't gonna be cheap.

    I think you've got your options. You can get "A Sodbuster" in CV (which is a nice knife & steel) or stainless. You can get the GEC Bull Nose or Bull Buster, which are sodbusters. You can get the Maserin that was mentioned. The Lionsteel isn't a Sodbuster. Or you can buy a custom which will be in the hundreds or a knife similar to a Sodbuster.

    I hear Spyderco has some knives in supersteels. ;)
     
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    Sodbuster, premium steel, cheap...that's a good'un! :18:
     
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    What is wrong with wanting a nicer steel than comes with the Case version? I'm willing to spend double the cost for 1095 or O-1 at 58 to 60. All I wanted is to explore options if there was a good deal on better steel.
     
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    I mentioned the GEC versions and you said, that wasn't what you wanted.
     
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    No I didn't. It is the one I posted about looking at buying in the OP. I was looking for other options to see what is available. Right now there is a 90% chance I'll buy a GEC Bull Buster
     
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    Booker tree brand used to make one, it sure of the specs.
     
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    I like the smith and sons... louisiana company, made by gec, the only lockback sodbuster ive seen. Cool company to give a look if you have time.
     
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    I was trying to find one from boker to recommend, as I've had good experiences with their trappers and stockman, but did't find one fitting the sodbuster profile. Good knives for the money, IMO. Closest I was able to find was a single bladed trapper which has a clip blade instead of a straight spined blade.
     
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    Anybody have experience with the bear and sons farmhand lockbacks? Just a sodbuster with a lock. 1095 blades, yellow g10 scales, nickel silver pins. Made in USA. Cheap too, $24.99 for small and $26.99 for large. Don't look to shabby.
     
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    Bought mine quite a while ago, cream colored scales, perhaps it’s no longer offered?
     
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    I just came across this from boker but it's stainless. bk01bo020_2.jpg
     
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    I think that's the case. I believe they slowed, or stopped, their traditional offerings for a while but came back pretty strong more recently. I certainly didn't notice them at least.

    I haven't tried one of the boker plus models but supposedly it's 440c steel, so it should be reasonably decent if the HT is okay. I think that line is made in China where the rest is made in Solingen, Germany though.
     
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    I had one in stainless until just the other day, I somehow managed to lose it. I really liked that knife, I have no idea what the steel in it was but it was really hard but once sharpened it held an edge well. I will buy another one when I get around to it, I liked the stainless for what I used it for which was for cutting everything I didn't want to cut with my "good" knife. I chose it over the Case for the lock back which I really liked.
     
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    Correct the “plus” line and I believe the “magnum” lines are both made in China. I have a few of those and at the price point they are decent enough. The Tree Brand is far better! Used to have a small Congress pattern that I still morn the loss of and that was better than 40 yrs ago!!!
     
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    Same scales but mine has a fully etched blade with tree brand logo.
     
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    I assumed lockbacks were out as I didn't think they classify as sodbusters, though certainly fill the roll of basic work knives. I think there are still the lockbacks from boker. It would expand the options for the OP as well.
     
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    I checked out the Boker Plus Rangebuster on Amazon and it looks nice and has 440C, which is an upgrade. The one place it looks bad is the thickness behind the edge. There is a shadow behind the edge in this picture, but it still looks pretty thick. I'd have to measure one before I'd bite.

    Screenshot_20190808-185222_Amazon Shopping.jpg
     
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    Not to diminish that too much, but that can be easily correctable if you have the tools and the skills, but certainly an annoyance if you can find something thinner right out of the box/tube. The GEC's and maserin are pretty thin behind the edge right from the start, another plus for spending the little extra money up front.
     
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    I just put a 21 year old LNIB Spyderco Blackhawk on Evilbay to pay for the GEC. I'm going to check out the Maserin too.
     
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    Nice choices. What bull buster handle material did you end up with? I always fancied an orange delrin one but ended up with the orange micarta maserin once those showed up. I like the feel of micarta for user blades. If it didn't have a 1/2 stop, I would love the CK exclusive so much more. But as it is I really like the 2-bladed GEC's, 81 bull moos and 82 possum skinner, as my primary traditional users. But that's personal preference at that point.
     
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    I can get the Orange plastic handled Bull Buster for $65 or a used black micarta with a little patina from a member for a little less.

    I'm really liking the Olivewood for the Maserin.
     
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    I didn't think so. Looks well designed too.
     
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    Go with the gec it's a great knife
     
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    Now you're getting out of the sodbuster class :D. I know some people complain about the lionsteels being thick behind the edge, but I think they are great as is. Certainly not nearly as bad as many of the fixed blades people seem to love that are made of 1095. Not a razor, far from a froe.

    I think the lionsteel's are great. The bestman, which I have in 2-blade but it's offered in one blade, is a great user knife. Looks great in olive wood as well.

    That's the orange micarta plow next to the 2-bladed bestman in olivewood. The orange is a bit closer to red than a true orange, IMO. Kind of a firey orange but darker in color not depth of color.
    [​IMG]
     
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    The lionsteel bolus clip point looks considerably thinner behind the edge. I wish I could measure one. I am really considering buying the lionsteel before I buy the GEC.

    There is very little chance I won't get both.
     
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    From internet searches I am finding the lionsteel bolus clip point is around 0.016" and the others are closer to 0.020" or thicker.
     
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