Discussion in 'Other Tools' started by JohnP, Jun 15, 2017.
I lurk on AS from time to time.
A nice example of a 2100cd just showed up.
100cc of muscle!
I've had great luck with all the Stihls I've owned: 660, 440, 036, and 021.
I like Husky's too.
Heck where do you find that these days? I was wondering which fuel would be best for occasional use 2 strokes like chainsaws. Possibly premium grade BP or Shell and use premium 2 stroke oil and or add some stabililizer if you don't plan to run it regularly.
They are running a special in my area on the 250 stihl saws $60 off. I was wondering if it would be big enough to push an 18" chain effectively in hardwoods. I'm going to be burning wood for auxiliary/ complimenting my home furnace to save on utility bills. I'm from SW Ohio so we have oak, maple, hickory, ash and other hardwoods. I generally upgrade tools where I can.
This particular saw is in their homeowner line, and I'm wondering if I should put some additional funds toward something with more power or better technology for less fuss and ease of use.
Anyone use the 250 in descent size wood with good results? Felling good size trees and cutting them up once down? I have a ms 171 with a 16" bar that I just got and a McCulloch with a 14" bar for bucking and smaller trimming work. I need something larger in the mid range to process 3-6 cords a year or so. I'll be helping my parents cut wood for their property too. I don't need anything from the pro series unless I came across a great deal.
Thanks in advance. Hope this is on topic since we started off with the ms250 I thought it'd be ok to piggyback rather than start a new thread.
I have a 250, and it's a good little saw. I like it for building fence, and basically ranch chores.
It'll cut firewood, and probably just barely meet your needs.
I'd go bigger for a main firewood saw. Think 362 or so.
@Pharmer , I find the non-ethanol gas at gas stations close to areas where people launch boats, try some area near a large lake or river.
You would be better served with a larger chainsaw than the 250 as @Muleman77 said; I run a Stihl MS360 with a 20" bar and cut oak firewood all the time with it.
Thanks for the feedback. That's the kind of info I was looking for.
Great. Thanks for the help. I know most gas stations around have up to 10 ethanol if I recall. I'm going to check some of the other big brand stations to see what theirs contain. If not I'll just have to be sure to add some stabilizer to any fuel that won't be used up pretty quick.
I was figuring on something in that range of bar length for good sized trees so a larger more durable saw than the 250 is likely the way to go.
@Pharmer, another fuel option for you is Stihl MotoMix sold at the Stihl dealerships, it's a 50:1 fuel mix that has a 10 year shelf life.
It is expensive but perfect for people who only use their power equipment on occasions.
It will save you money in the long run if you have to have your chainsaw's carburetor repaired due to bad gas sitting in your fuel tank too long.
That would be cool to have around for off season use for sure.
I stopped by my dealer for a quick look around today. Just wanted to mention he said the premix fuel is good 2 years, but I didn't read the can to confirm.
I asked him about ethanol free fuel and he confirmed there aren't many places to get it around where I live, so I'll be adding extra fuel stabilizer over what's contained in the 2 stroke oil for extra protection when not using it up quickly.
How do you like the upgraded air cleaner design vs the standard design?
seriously? I've heard people say bad things about Stihl before, that they're hard to start.
there's a specific starting procedure that is in the manual and was demonstrated by the salesman but I watch these people who can't start Stihl saws and they don't even try the way you are supposed to.
my 291 starts every time on the third or fourth pull just the way they say to - full choke for a couple pulls till it tries to catch, 1/2 choke once or twice and it starts. never failed...
Not enough pics in this thread.....
My personal lineup
Ms660, ms460, 044 with maxflow filters and muffler/light port work.
036, ms260, ms250
Nice lineup. How much wood are you cutting a year?
I run saws a lot....we burn a few cords of firewood, I work for the FS, have been a commercial faller in the past, and still do some side work of that type.
Stihl & Husqvarna fan here. They both make some great professional series saws. I have been running both brands for about 10 years with no issues. About eighty to one hundred cord of firewood over that period.
I took my wife to our local Stihl dealer and that is mistake number one.
I forgot she is Swedish Mistake number two she wants a Husky...like her sewing machine.
I didn't know he sold Husquavarna too Mistake number three
I asked what the difference between Husquavarnas and Stihl is in the same price point. Mistake number four
He says Ford and Chevy
So..... he has her wanting the Husqavarna and I don't have an argument.
A lot better! I don't care for the older design...flat filter.
Nice lineup. I have a similar lineup of Stihls:
660 - ported
440/460 Hybrid - ported
036 - ported
Just sold my ported Husky 372x-torq.
I just picked up a Stihl 192TC used and in great condition at a yard sale yesterday on the way home from work. Awesome little top handle arborist saw.
I'm leaning toward the MS391 with a 25" bar and then getting a 20" bar and extra chains. I'm trying to justify the $200 base price upgrade over say the MS271 farm boss. Any of you guys using both and have any recommendations?
I'm just not sure if I need the 391 and by the time I pick up the extra 20" bar and chain I'm going to be nearly $300 over the farm boss.
Over the life of the saw it's not such a big deal and I figure the extra bar capacity and HP of the 391 might be nice to have. I'm pretty sure the farm boss is going to top out at a 20" bar in hardwood like oak, maple, hickory, black locust, hackberry and ash.
I ended up going with a 311 to split the difference. Couldn't justify the 391 for what I do. Maybe down the road I'll pick up a nice pro saw. I also have a little 171. I'd like a 241c.
I've found a lot of wood that I'm able to get that's free and often already down (example top pic). Just haul it home and buck it up.
I did get a large maple tree with a diameter of around 36" 4-5' off the ground. Honestly the 311 with a 20" bar did fine, but the wood was too big for one guy with no heavy equipment. I ended up hauling my splitter and moving my splitter to the wood just to break it down small enough to handle.
I was thankful for the wood but it was more work and time than it should have been. I won't do that again. The time and risk of injury was too great.
Thankfully, I have a 5' stihl log peavy and lifter or there would have been no way I could have gotten it.
I had a Stihl MS250C for about 10 years, which I used to cut nearly 100 cords of firewood. The only complaint I had was that it had a crappy connection between the spark plug boot and actual wire, so every time I'd pull the boot off to remove the spark plug, it would pull completely off the wire and I'd have to monkey around with needle nose pliers to get it back on. After a while, it began to give me fits with starting and would not stay running. I took it into the repair shop and was told the cylinders were scored and it needed to be rebuilt. (Small engine repair is not in my wheelhouse.) The cost was going to be nearly that of a new saw, so rather than spend the money to repair it, I traded it in for parts and bought an MS251C-BE. So far, it's been great.
A friend gave me a Stihl
He's a good friend
I bought an MS171 when I lived in the city. Now I have a 21 acre wood lot and a Woodstove and every year I think about getting a saw with a bit more power and a non-"picco" blade.
One of these days I will.
The MS171 is a nice little saw, but I think I'm pushing it too hard bucking up 14" maples and oaks.
Yea I can see where you'd feel that after using my ms171 for a bit. I use my ms171 with a 16" bar for lighter work and have the ms311 for bucking up trees as you've described and larger. It's easier on the saw and you. Saws are expensive and the more you have the more you have to take care of too. I picked up a 14" bar for the 171 thinking it would run it better than the 16" but I haven't swapped it out yet.
If you keep an eye out and want to stick with Stihl they usually have a promotion once or twice a year on something like the farm boss or wood boss. They may have it running still (currently) but it was $50 off a wood boss and a free chain with the purchase of a farm boss if I recall.
You may already know they (dealers) aren't suppose to mess with the saw price, but you might get them to throw in an extra chain with any new saw purchase if whatever is on special isn't what you're after.
How much wood do you cut/ burn a year? It would be great to have access to a nice wood lot like that. Hopefully that allows you to be selective in your wood choice.
I love my 30 year old Stihl 028 Wood Boss
I also have an 028 that's about 30 years old, a ten year old 290, and just recently bought a 2 year old 461. The 290 is heavy for its power, and has been a GREAT saw; but the 461 is everything you dream it is while drooling at the saw shop .
Here in NZ, we run our chainsaws on race fuel, around 115 octane, as the oil additive lowers the octane rating...
And higher octanes means cooler running and longer life...
I'm looking at the 241, but see the 261 is more powerful but also about a pound heavier.
I already have a 311 that's got enough power for what I do. Have you ever used a 241 by chance? They're about the same price the 241vs 261.
I need to get into a dealer that has both so I can get a feel for them both side by side.
Sorry, the 461 is the only new saw I've run. Everything else I've used either starts or ends with 0.
I enjoy my Stihl products (170, 026, 391).
Wouldn't turn a nose up to Dolmar, Husqvarna, Jonsered saws, all great!
Picked up this Stihl MS 241cm the other day. It'll be my workhorse at about 10lbs and 3hp it should be really nice.
First Pro line saw I've had. I'm already looking at 441s though. It might not be the last.
It's been a rainy muddy mess around here lately. Any of you guys getting and wood work done?
Any experience with the MS 241 or 441/ 461?
Dont personally own them, but I've got a lot of time on both the 441, and 461 at work. Go with the 461 even if it's your money. Both do alright but the power/weight is much better on the 461.
Here it is with a 28" bar, under a 50" fir snag
Id say the 461 is about the best saw out there right now, unless you need to bury a 3' or bigger bar all the time.
Thanks. I have a 311 and that might be all I really need. I'm taking my time and looking around at others though namely a 441 of 462. I found what appears to be a nice 441 for asking $500. It's not the newest with the CM carb, but it seems to be well cared for. I saw a 461 also nice but more than twice that price, basically they were asking msrp, but it had an extra bar and chain with it and they were saying firm. That does save me taxes etc, but I'd think they'd need to be a little softer on the price as it may not be in warranty.
Thank you, I appreciate the feedback. That's good to know info. They're both probably a lot more saw than I need, but...
If I had to go with 1 saw, I'd take a 460/461. That stock 461 above is a nice powerful saw, pulls a 32" easily, 36" too. Unless I want the length I keep a 28" bar, and it's easy for me to run all day. My personal 460 has a bit more power as it's had some work, but its also heavier. Love it as well.
I think you need one
It's interesting. On the currently listed saws they weigh the same and only have 0.4hp difference. Wonder if the difference is partially in torque which the don't list?
Have always used Stihl with great results