Discussion in 'Preparedness' started by IamLegend, Nov 1, 2016.
Storing drums of water directly on concrete long term, yes or no?
Long term, I'd put em up on some 2x4 to let the water drain off em...to avoid rusting out the bottoms
Oh, plastic? Even so, I'd think you'd want to keep em propped up a tad.
hopefully he's talking food-grade plastic.
Yes food grade plastic. I read somewhere not to place them directly on concrete.
The only reason I could think to not put them on the ground would be if you put a spigot in the bottom it would be more convenient to have them 2-3" above grade. Smooth concrete is probably one of the best places you can put them. Better than asphalt, rock or boards with exposed nails. PVC is very durable and non-reactive so you should have no problem. Have you considered a 500 gal square tote? It's a pallet sized square cube that can be moved without help when empty. Solid, durable and most come with a steel forklift cage.
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I was interested in an IBC container, but even the 275 gallon one is 40"L x 48"W x 46"H, it won't fit into my basement doorway.
EDIT: I also considered filtering rain gutters into it and leaving it outside, but I have asphalt roof shingles, would take more to get it potable. Also would have a problem with MIdwest winters freezing it. Looked into heaters, but put it on hold for now. Could be good to water a garden with, as long as the asphalt isn't a problem for that.
I would put them up on pallets or at least 2x4 or 4x4 just to keep it off the concrete as has been brought up.....
But also to get a dolly under it for moving it if necessary.
yes I've considered the totes. Wanting something I can move if need be for the time being while full.
One reason to keep them off the ground is to leave an air gap underneath for air flow. If the air is humid and the water in the drums is cooler than the air temperature (which will be very likely), condensation will form on the outside of the drum and will make for ideal conditions for mold growth. Not a good thing.
I always put heavy stuff like that on skids, even if for no other reason than it makes it easier to get a dolly under it when it's time to move it.....
I have two 33 gallon that have been on the garage floor for over 5 years, no sign of any changes. All I do is change the water every year.
Maybe a drum dolly would fit your bill. It would keep it off the concrete and allow it to be moved around. It would be pretty easy to make one out of doubled up 2x4s and some heavy duty casters. Of you could buy one.
Steel Drum Dolly - 55 Gallon H-1234 - Uline
Hardwood Carpet End Dolly - 4" Casters, 1,000 lb. Capacity H-3318 - Uline
off being that concrete can interact chemically with some items
You lost me on that one bro.
the chemical makeup of concrete can in some instances interact with other substances ,( like how sulfur charcoal and saltpeter go boom.......... )
Plastic barrels full of food or water stored on concrete sweat due to tempature differances over time. This can cause off flavors in food or water. Check out emergency essentials website for information. Its not a moisture issue, but a flavor one. Easy to solve a with couple of boards. Good luck.
I keep mine on 2x4 on concrete floor in shed.
I think this is what I'll end up doing just to be safe.
Since you live in a colder location, and if they will be in an unheated area, you should probably leave a little airspace at the top in case the drum freezes.
Yep that's the plan. Thanks
I am prepared to filter all my stored water , SOP.
A lot of water does not need any thing if it's used for other then drinking.
If your concerned about plastic chem issues , no matter what it is stored in , severe heat will cause problems . being on concrete the temp of the concrete will likely keep it cooler than being on pallets .
Sinking them into the ground would be better IMO.
I have 250 gal caged tanks I keep covered and use a (swamp cooler float" control on drip system tubing . the water is used for my chickens and fish , but you could use it watering your garden for that matter . there is always fresh city water entering.
For strictly emergency water I would set the syphon to your garden at a limited height in the tank, so that should the city water supply be compromised, your whole tank is not completely drained off, while your occupied with other concerns .
I am re adjusting my syphons to 6" below the float for this concern.
I live in southern Louisiana and have had mine set up on cinder blocks for 4 years now with no problems. We've seen several winter days in the mid twenties. As long as they're not sealed an the water has room to expand (upward, in this case) they should be okay. If the freezing periods were longer I'd move em inside.
What do you mean " not sealed"?
By sealed I meant closed. Some folks keep their stored water drums closed off from the atmosphere to avoid contamination or evaporation. As water expands when it's temperature falls to 32 degrees or lower it may cause some containers to fail. I untighten bungs and/or keep a little headspace in the drums for expansion. I used to live in Idaho so I guess I'm still in that 'great white north' mindset. Lol! Really happy it rarely freezes here.
Ok I gotcha!
Thanks for the comment!
I've got a 39g Rubbermaid drum in my garage with goodies; I keep in on a harbor freight 2' square furniture dolly. Keeps it off the concrete and easy to move if I need to.
What hoodies you got in there?
a lotta places will give you an old bread tray or a free pallet and I prefer to keep things off the ground.
If you are wanting to store water, a lot of water, like gathering it from the rooftops and piping it into the basement then a buried cistern plumbed into the basement and run through a filter system there might be the best option. I'd build a pre filter for the runoff to get large debris out before I let it into the cistern.
They make plastic ones if you don't want to dig and build one from block and cement. (Depending on size which is most cost effective. I got a lot of my knowledge about them from a friend (sadly since passed on to the next adventure, miss ya patience) who lived up in indiana. He had a many thousand gallon one he built after digging the hole with a back hoe out of salvaged block and a internal "filter wall" and put in large clean out hatches. After it was done and plumbed in uphill from his house (run off from his barn) he had gravity fed water from that.
Around here I"d sink a well and put a pitcher pump (well I have one actually) but advise other on that option with 6 gallon totes for moving large amounts around the house as wanted.
I have seen a couple of "X" shapped cross members hold a barrel on its side with a tap in the bung hole for getting fuel or water / etc out of it in shops, so maybe that also would be of interest.
Every time I keep a barrel of flat ground the bottom rusts and if I wanted to move things a pallet with dolley wheels on the bottom like people use for moving large plant pots would be a possible useful choice.
There isn't a one size fits all answer, and you have to do what works for you.
Heck I knew a few fellows who kept water bed liners filled with water in the back of their basement. One fellow tried that in his attic. Thing got a leak, and that was a mess I'd avoid.
Just some food for thought.
It's a clean, never used, sanitized drum. It's got a pail of cat litter, 5g bucket, 1g bleach, tarp, zip ties and rope, rubber gloves (disposable), safety goggles, med aprons, hand sanitizer, duct tape, Painters tarp (plastic) fak, wool blanket and a few water bottles. Theory is if public works ever go down, I can fill the drum with potable water and empty the rest and use for my family to do their business safely and clean. I have most things in the big zip lock bags and wipedryer everything down with clorox wipe before putting in the drum.
That's good stuff right there!!!
Some good info, thanks!