Discussion in 'Transportation' started by friluftsliv, Dec 27, 2016.
Had a Forester for 16 years......but with age, 2 head gaskets replaced, needing a third......timing belt and other engine needs.....multiple undercarriage suspension wheel and brake rust issues it was time to go....
was nice to carry a canoe on top though with factory rack....
don't think I have any photos of it.....or perhaps they are incidental...
I have a 2003 outback it has 205,000 miles on her. Rust is now slowly killing her. 2 head gaskets, and lighting issues. Maybe one more year. Many camping trips. Many canoes on her. I'll miss her when I say good bye.
Picture below not mine but back in '84-'90 I owned a 1978 Subaru identical to the one pictured except mine had a push bar on front bumper. It was my first 4x4 and I installed the knobbiest mud/snow tires on it I could find, and I took it up some pretty gnarly Jeep trails in my pursuit of wild boar that even the Jeep guys were impressed especially since it did not have a low range. I also towed a 18' fishing boat on a trailer with it. I installed a Weber carburetor and custom intake manifold for better performance. That little car did everything I asked of it with little complaint. My brother on the mainland worked at a Subaru dealer at the time, and he'd get great deals on blown engine Subarus that he would re-engine them with low mileage crate engines from Japan (usually under 30,000 miles), and he'd sell them at a tidy profit. This was one of these re-engined Subarus from California so no rust. Sadly the Hawaiian salt air quickly made up for lost corrosion time, and ate up the body in 6 years even though I applied rattle can undercoating from NAPA as soon as it arrived from California. I had 2 son's and a large dog by early 1990 so needed more room. I sold her and bought a Ford Granada. That Subaru was one of the best cars I ever owned.
Here's my baby at my old work when I installed Cooper AT3s.
I've moved since the photo, and now I live in the woods on a dirt road, so my poor car is never clean anymore LOL.
BTW, her name is Chiharu.
I don't have a photo, but I have a 2001 Impreza 2.2l 4-door sedan, with almost 200k miles on it. I bought it used with ~60k on it and in nearly pristine condition. With very few exceptions it has started first lick every time. It has been a great car and is showing no signs of giving up the ghost any time soon. My wife hates it for reasons I have never understood...not classy enough for her I guess.
My Forester did not like cold weather.......all the Toyota's we have ever have always start when it's -20 but my Forester had trouble starting around 10 degrees anything south 0 was iffy....I did put a block heater in the plug and used it religiously......of course it's the only Subaru that I've heard of with cold start problems so maybe I got lucky.....did not make it to 200,000 .....while maintained well the Forester had been driven hard and through too many northern winters....
I traded it in on Jeep Wrangler Unlimited......may not last as long.....but it sure is more fun to drive
There is some of my outback 2010 in this photo. Saw the op's canoe on top and wanted to dig this one out.
What is the deal with Subaru's and head gasket problems?
I have always wanted to get one but am scared of the pricey head gasket repairs.
Properly serviced they last a long time. 2nd owner, bought at 97,000 miles on it and beat the hell out of it yet I manage to keep it pretty and running great. 139,000 miles currently and needs an oil change. Not to mention I drive through sandy washes on the regular and I haven't gotten stuck, couldn't have gotten a better deal.
Subarus are no different from the Honda, Toyota, ford Focus engines I've have or had all 4, they will all eventually need a new timing chain or head gasket or both usually around 60,000-80,000 miles. Had a new timing chain in my 2004 Outback at 68,000 and new head gasket at same time although not needed and have put another 70,000 mi. on since with no problems.
I had a WRX that was a fun toy for a few years, but it certainly wasn't an off roader. Ive always liked the looks and utility of the Forester and the CrossTrek, but the prices of them and especially parts costs drove me away. I've put 45000 miles on a Hyundai I paid $1500 for and it's got lots of miles left on it. I paid a lot more than that for the engine I put in my wrx after I blew one up.
Subaru uses a belt not a chain.
The headgasket issue is more of a design issue then anything. Subie uses a flat engine or boxer engine design this style asks alot of the gaskets given that they are constantly sitting in oil and not just having them pass through. Don't let the headgaskets issue scare you, they will only leak, no more no worse. They will go for years like that. Just do the belt, water pump, and general service and they will go forever. Hell, when I do them at work I pull the whole motor and reseal everything.
This is really just an opportunity to show off super dog Ollie, the canoe and the Subaru are purely incidental!
My 2014 uses a timing chain
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Belt on the 4 cylinders, chain on the 6 cyls.
You are correct, I never think of the 6 cylinders, don't see many of them here. Mostly the 2.0, 2.2, 2.5.
2.5 on the newer ones like mine went chain.
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My 2013 Outback, chosen because I want to be more like @GreenFrog , I'm drawing a line at the beard though.
Untitled by Chris Scrivens, on Flickr
My 2003 is a 2.5 4
A Subaru with a dog and a canoe... transportation doesn't get much better than that.
Wife's 2010 forester and my 2007 legacy specB. I sold the car and bought a truck this spring. I miss the 6 speed specB but glad I have a truck again.
Does that mean you are getting a dog? Or bringing sam the rat along for a ride?
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Crappy picture, but this was my 1987 GL wagon. I was 24 when I bought it. I was mountain biking in Moab Ut when after crossing a creek 20 times on my bike I rounded a bend and saw a similar GL sitting on the bank and thought if that car made it back here I need one. Bought the one in the picture when I got back to Minnesota. Since then we have owned a 1992 legacy wagon and a 2003 outback wagon that is still going strong with a 150,000 on the H6 engine.
Sam is indeed a rat of great distinction, but like dogs, makes me sneeze, as much as I love them both.
Peep the bird is turning out to be quite a little fellow. So maybe a perch section cupped to the window.
Newer generations have a chain, I think they made the switch with the 4cy in 2009 but don't hold me to that.
But the new 4cy has a timing chain not a belt anymore
Great to know. Thank you for the info
Our Forester still has scratches to show for this little venture:
After 5 years, my Forester is finally ready to lose its factory tires. I've only had to change brakes on this thing (once).
What a timely thread, for me. My Honda Ridgeline was totaled. My son hit a curb going 40 mph and somehow that caused 10k worth of damage. So, I have been researching and am seriously considering a Subaru.
Any comments on Forrester vs Outback? Any particular year (looking for a used one) preferable?
My wife is selling her Prius, there is a 14 Outback with around 100,000 on it for sale. Thinking that might be her next car. They want $15,000 for it.
Mine is a '12 non-turbo. It is amazingly practical and I've taken it places my old Jeep Wrangler and big Bronco would have gotten stuck. I went with Forester instead of Outback for a few reasons:
More practical (boxy) volume of storage inside.
More headroom. My wife and I are tall. Our kids are catching up.
More spartan interior. I don't mind the dogs getting it it, or myself after an outdoor adventure.
More useful off road. Not that I go off road an awful lot.
Slightly better fuel economy. Flip side: Outback is available with a bigger engine. The Forester is a slow ride.
They are both nice cars. I think I would have been happy with the Outback, too.
My favorite thing about the Foz is the enormous (optional) moon roof. I don't need leather or satnav or any of that built into my car. But give me sunshine and fresh air without losing my roof rack!
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Crosstrek replaced by beloved Mitsubishi Montero Sport. Loving it so far!
Those Crosstreks are one of Subaru's nicer looking designs.
Something isnt right. a 2 year old car with 100,000 miles ?
My 2016 Outback on a muddy logging road while out elk hunting this fall. Killer rigs for sure, I wish I had gotten an elk so you could see one strapped to the roof rack. Maybe next year. Happy day
Foresters went to timing chains in 2011, Outback and Legacy in 2013. At least from the early 90's all 6 cylinder engines have chains.
Head gaskets as mentioned, 1997 thru 2009 4 cyl can be an issue. 97-99 twin cam the worst as the coolant leaks into the oil, very bad, looks like a milkshake.
The later ones have an external engine oil leak, usually the driver's side goes first. Don't know why, its just does. Can be damp and stay that way for thousands of miles.
Wheel bearings another, not real bad issue but it can take some labor to change. Rusty suspension bushings, have to remove that side to press them apart and together again by hydraulic press. The 2005 and up are in a removable housing but they can seize on pretty bad from rust also.
The cars are built like tanks, at least thru 2009. Kind of like the older Volvo 140/240 series. Can take a hit and you will most likely get out of it in one piece.
Other things can happen, like any other car or SUV. YMMV. U2
Our 2013 Legacy getting ready for a romp in the snow! We've put 80K on her so far with nothing but oil and filter changes. She's gonna need new rubber soon though. Once my Altima gives up the ghost I'm either going 05-08 Outback/Forrester or 3rd Gen 4runner.
I just keep buying them.....the blue one blew up at about 380 hp. The 2013 is a nice upgrade from the 2004.
I got a 16 Impreza this past spring to replace my 99 Camry and I LOVE it. Plan on getting a Forester for the Wife when her CRV dies. I haven't had a chance to get it out into the snow yet but I'm looking forward to it. Some nice looking cars in this thread!
Whew. That seems a might pricy for a car with 100k on it. For 4000 more you can gat an Impreza with zero miles on it. 100k is like 10 years worth of driving for me.
2007 Impreza 2.5i wagon. Bought in 2010 with 16,600miles, currently has 92k miles. The only time I got stranded was in my garage - shifter cable broke. While looking the car over, they found headgaskets were leaking, all covered under my extended warranty, I paid to have a new timing belt and tensioner put in, only charged for parts as labor was under the headgasket fix I've also had a new torque converter under warranty, but I got the feeling that is not something they do very often at all. Every 30k I pay the dealer to do the services that are recommended. Never a question when something needs fixing under warranty.
Might look for a low mileage certified used Forester or Crosstrek this summer. My warranty is up in July, and I'm ready for a new vehicle. But if something happens, I'm not going to be hurt keeping this car longer!
This was this august. She looks at home hauling a kayak and mountain bike!
I have a car and we have a pickup that we kept for bad weather and we're both thinking about trading both in for a subaru. I've heard that the outbacks are really good for taller people (I'm 6'2") so I'm torn between that and the forester. I've heard really good things about them both off-road and in the snow. And we have to have something that can drive in the snow for work because she's a 911 dispatcher and I work in EMS. We've seen some higher mileage ones for cheaper but we were worried about that but it seems after seeing all of these posts that they will really run for a long time. Are there any certain years or anything to stay away from? I've hear 2007 outbacks weren't very good and had a lot of issues.
My 2012 Subaru Forester is now 5 years old. We've had unusually cold weather here in Raleigh lately, with ice & snow not leaving the ground for days (when we get it, it's usually gone in the blink of an eye). The other morning I started it up... 9 degrees (F) outside temperature. Started right up without hesitation. This is on the original 5 year old factory battery. The only real maintenance I've had to do beyond oil changes is changing the brakes. I will have to finally replace the factory tires soon (with close to 60,000 miles on them).
My Impreza was having trouble starting early this winter, I almost got stranded a few times (she finally turned over and fired up).
Got a new battery, and all is well. Cranks fast and fires up. BUT I own a battery charger now...
2006 Rex wagon, happy brrrrt-ing down my jungle driveway. It has towed goat kids in the back, tarps piled up with green waste to the burn pile, t posts, fence... all kinds of unintended homestead work, and it's durn fun to spool the turbo up the mountains!
Checked out a..."used" 2016 Crosstrek Limited today. 3800 miles on it, just about every option except eyesight. A bit more than I was thinking of spending, but in my price range, and they gave me a Trade-in of $4200 for the 2007 with 93k on it! WOW! Ice Silver Metallic, which looks kind of classy on the Crosstrek.
Monday I have to go visit my bank and work on financing (I like keeping my banking with them, easier) and then call the salesman and talk to insurance company. Fun!
Won't be easy to say bye to the 2007, but its time for a fresh start
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A few photos of my last E81 Hatchback