Tonteldoos tinder box

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  1. Stone

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    ...besides, the cotton ones absorb sweat better...
     
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    I can use bluejeans, right? Like we do for char cloth?
     
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    The answer to your question is to try it and find out by experimenting......record your results and pass the knowledge......;):dblthumb:
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    Ok, after looking at this thread more than one, twice... well, you know firebugs. Finally got around to making one, two... you get the picture. Anyway, after making one at 4", I decided it was a little too long and cut it back to 3". Wouldn't you know it, that's also the perfect size to hold the standard UCO stormproof matches, WIN! On to the proof...

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    Awesome well have to try to make one.
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    Awesome, a new Project :dblthumb:
     
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    It does not seem that the red cotton shop rags are a good option for this project. Tried both a loose and a tight roll. No dice.
     
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    If I recall correctly they are treated with a fire retardant chemical.
     
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    Interesting, thanks. Couldn't find info on that other than that they were all cotton. I assumed the dye was interfering.
     
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    I don't see anything after a very quick google search so I may be wrong. The only other thing I can think of is they may be a blend...?
     
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    Well, maybe it's a user error issue. Used a plain cotton dish rag and it's not catching a spark either. I get fine performance out of char cloth so not sure what's going on. Going to have to test more. But, this thing is so heavy it's more of a house toy than a bush item anyway. So testing might be limited...
     
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    Have you pre-charred the working end?
     
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    Yes, I charred it well, neglected to add that. Tossing good sparks too. Will keep adjusting technique I suppose.
     
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    It is a finicky technique. I hope you don't get discouraged.
     
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    If you are looking for cotton material (rope) to use for a tonteldoos look no further than SGT KNOTS 100% twisted cotton rope in 10' hanks on Amazon.....
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01J2BK6P6
    I can attest to the efficiency of this product.:dblthumb:
    Dominick........
     
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    Look what I just discovered under our Blue Spruce tree while cleaning up the backyard before dinner! Someone's oil lamp/torch wick and holder. It doesn't look or smell like the wick has been used before. I don't know if the wind brought it or the squirrels, but at least half of it is going to become a tonteldoos for me. If I can split it, the other half is going to be charred in a tin. :D

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    Thank you all! I only mentally took note of this at the time of the original post and bump. It came instantly to mind today though, when I found my rope. :) Thanks everyone! I'm re-reading now to get all the deets I missed the first time around.
     
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    Just got about 15 feet of 3/4" copper tubing for free, now I need a bunch of caps and mops!
     
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    Any luck?
     
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    Not much different yet, but haven't broken down to buy fresh cotton; seems a waste since this is a house toy. (too heavy for the field) I think I've used about a whole piece of flint working on this thing, haha, but at least my technique is even better now.
     
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    Keep those emptied Bic lighters, the sparks will ignite the charred rope readily.....;):dblthumb:
    Dominick........
     
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    Yeah I know, that's why I downsized to a 1/2" diameter copper pipe to lighten the load. It still works.......
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    With my arthritis, I find it difficult to hold a piece of flint in that awkward position, so I favor a sparklite to light my charred cotton rope........
    Dominick........
     
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    Ok. Baby steps on a day off. And today I learned cutting through 3/4" copper tube sucks when all you have is a hack saw blade. And your hand. But... 20180516_173348.jpg cut, filed squareish, and sitting in a bath of salt and ammonia window cleaner to force a verdigris. Need to run to the hardware store for caps. Seriously, I have 15 feet of tubing. If somebody wants some, PM me, I'm probably only gonna really want a couple feet. 20180516_185549.jpg
     
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    Waiting to see how the forced verdigris is going to look...:33:
     
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    Planned to head to the hardware store this morning to got some copper tubing and caps, but this was a total BUST before I even left the house. :( That cordage, whatever it is, will not take a flame at all. I just raided the old cotton mop of a few strands for charring this weekend and I'm going hunting for some thick cotton rope to make my own tonteldoos soon. This found cordage I'm going to try to make an alcohol stove out of instead. ;) Thanks again, everyone!~
     
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    Not as great as I had hoped @MrFixIt , but I've never done it before. Thankfully I have lots more to practice with. 20180517_141824.jpg
     
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    It certainly gave it an aged look.
    Did you clean the pipe with acetone? Copper pipe has a coating of some sort of oil (to protect it from corroding) and that may have not allowed the process to fully cover it...?
     
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    I had sanded out most of the scratches and tool marks 800 grit wet dry paper, buffed with brasso, then got a fairly decent polish on it with a rust eraser then wiped it with 91% alcohol. Its been growing more green spots after I washed off the salt and window cleaner. It was an experiment using a half remembered method from about two years ago. So I'm fairly happy with the results.
     
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    Ok. Mostly done, the caps I'm going to use for it are soaking in the same biz as I put the tube in but I wanted to play. First time I've held a tinder bundle to blow it to flame and I learned that its a good idea to not have some of it stick to you fingers like the most terrifying cotton candy ever. Sorry for the blurry action shot, I was trying to move fast. 20180517_185438.jpg 20180517_204628.jpg 20180517_204816.jpg 20180517_204922.jpg
     
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    Alright, you got it!

    :35: :35:
     
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    Way to go!
     
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    Thanks guys! Here's the finished version 20180518_143224.jpg
     
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    Nice, I like the look!
     
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    Thanks! After some lazy googling I found another method to use that might give me a different result. I'll probably try it later today, and post pics of the process.
     
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    Back at it. I really need to buy a hacksaw or a pipe cutter... 20180518_201432.jpg
     
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    That looks really cool!! I might have to do that when I make one...
     
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    Thanks man! Go for it, it was pretty easy to do. I'm working on another one now, and a salt and vinegar verdigris for it. Maybe that one will turn out with more color. Pics soon.
     
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    In the salt and vinegar bath with obligatory knife porn. It will sit in there for about an hour, then gets pulled out, salted again, and allowed to sit for a while. 20180524_175151.jpg
     
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    Went to sleep with some dissapointing salty copper, but woke up to this! 20180525_134224.jpg
     
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    I'm totally making one. or 20..
     
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    That's a cool lookin' pattern!

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    They have proven mildy addictive......
     
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    ahhh yeah the good old tonteldoos.
    This is a piece of south african history.. a device the boers/voortrekkers used to make fire..
    basically Similar to flint and steel..
    here is a video Our head instructor made about them
     
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    And now I need to go to the hardware store.:25:

    Thanks
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    I should divulge I am south african and I dont even own one of these nor ever made one... I know right? embarrassing... I get on to it soon.. Redemption is required LOL
     
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    Get some!
     
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    I had to make one of these, to add to my F&S kit...

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    I have cotton lamp wick in it, and the charred end takes sparks very well.
     
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