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    A couple of days ago I spotted the fattest cat I had ever seen staring at our back porch. Saw it yesterday running for cover onto it during a downpour. Commented to my wife it didn’t look so fat. Found these this morning....
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    Awww...it reminds me of when my 5 year old daughter was watching our pregnant cat Sweetpea getting ready for birthing. Pretty soon she came running back into the living room and yelled “Mom, Sweetpea is poopin’ kitties!”
     
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    I think you just became stepdad <3
     
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    I wish we had one of those kittens. Our 20 year old female cat lost her boyfriend / brother and could use the company.
     
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    HA! That made my day, thanks!
     
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    I can mail you one;)
    Our two 15 year old house cats are going nuts listening to these 6 crying for momma. She has been hiding due to the mornings activity. I am going to leave for a couple of hours to give her a chance to return.
     
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    Leave her some food too, she'll need it to produce milk for the babies.
    There is a reason she had them at your porch.
     
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    Will do. They are so darn cute.....
     
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    You are a good man! :7:
    No need to worry about mice for another decade.
    After she stops breastfeeding, consider trapping her and having her fixed.
    There is plenty of feral cats in the world, no need for any more.
    Your town propably has a cat shelter that has a discount deal with a vet clinic. They might even try and rehome her and kittens you don't want to keep. They might even have traps to lend and kittyfeed to give. They are likely to consider you helping when you take care of them.
     
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    Nice surprise indeed. Unless you are allergic to cats.
     
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    Years ago had a feral cat visit the farm. Even at a distance, if I made eye contact, she would run. One day while working in the machine shop, heard crying from back of the shop. Thought it was a baby barn swallow, since we share the shop. Picked up the tarp covering my john deere and there was this feral cat and 5 tiny new borns. Moma cat left. Put out tuna and milk for her that night. No show. Took those kittens to the house and started every 4 hour feedings with a eye dropper. They all pulled through. Eventually made friends with moma cat, fear in her eyes disappeared..
     
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    That's pretty cool. Kinda sad in a way that she must not have had a home though. But it looks like life is improving for her and her kittens. :)

    Great idea to live trap her and get her spayed. Around here the shelters help a lot with such things, and even give out food for critters that adopt new owners.

    Chances are that this happened for a reason in your life. Thing deep about it. ;)
     
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    AHHHH!! So cute!! Hopefully mama comes back. Keep us posted?
     
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    Sweet!

    She left you a bunch of hawk food!
     
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    No sign of momma for over 6 hours. When I got home the kittens were pathetically crying and spreading out. My heart couldn’t take it,so got a dropper and warmed up a little milk. Got them all to take some and placed them in a box big enough for momma to get in if she comes back. Looking online for some powdered cat milk replacer if she doesn’t. Any advice would be greatly appreciated...
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    Call your nearest vet, they will have milk formula for sale and they'll walk you trough the routine, times etc. Tiny syringe is handy for feeding as you can see exact amounts, but small bottles are available too.
    They'll also tell you how long you can wait for mum before you just take them in and start being fosterdad.
    If you happen to have an electric pillow/blanket, put it under the box.
    Six hours is a long time! They'll get cold and hungry, both equally dangerous to little kittens.

    Edit: if the mum dosen't show, and you can't find experienced help locally, be prepared to loose some or all of them. With newborn it's never easy.
     
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    Since we are a goat dairy, we fed our 5 goat milk. Goat milk is a ideal substitute. In the past. If we had no milk available ( goats were dry), and we had to resort to milk replacer the animal didn't do as well, lots of diareah, not good. We raised our 5 in a large fish tank. They slept most of the time. Until they heard us coming down the stairs. Then everyone wanted to be fed first.
     
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    a young feral tom showed up at our place a month ago. awfully skinny, but otherwise looked in good shape. our cat adopted him into her colony. finally i put a little grub out for him. he's a bud now, but still a bit shy. when we pull into the driveway, he's there with our cat, mewing and greeting. out youngest son wants him for a ratter, since he he turned out to be a tom. so, he'll have a home soon.
    good job on taking care of the kittens ...
     
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    We have been in the same house for 22 years. At one time we had about 30 feral cats running the neighborhood. We took to feeding them years ago. There is still probably 15 -20 cats in the neighborhood, but many have found homes or simply moved on. Some to the kitty afterlife.

    Currently, we have 6 that we feed. Indianapolis operates a state ran veterinary clinic that will spay/neuter feral cats and dogs for free. They do request a donation at time of surgery, but it is not required. For several years we have live trapped feral cats, and periodically take them to the clinic for vaccinations, and/or to be fixed.

    Since we started, the feral population in the neighborhood has diminished. They do help to keep the mice population down though. Occasionally, we have "our" cats (the feral ones we feed) bring us "presents". I will come home from work and sometimes find a dead bird, mouse, or mole on the front porch. It goes to the trash & the kitties get praised with a fresh can of Friskies. They love that stuff!
    They generally get dry food, but once in a while they will get canned food. Usually on Saturday morning. Open the front door, and 6-8 cats are impatiently waiting for canned food. LOL! We love 'em all the same.

    These two boys are the Alpha cats of the pack. Mack (black cat) and Tigger (tabby cat) stay on the porch or in the yard pretty much all the time. And they love attention! Mack loves attention from anyone, but Tig, only from our family. He will run from anyone else. Tig is my boy! Follows me everywhere when I'm outside. If I see him down the street and call his name, he comes running. He even tags along when I take the dog for a walk. staying just a few steps behind me. I will miss him for sure when his time here has ended. He has definitely stolen my heart.

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    ... as opposed to an expected surprise.

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    We adopted a feral, Manx, about 9 yrs ago. Hines runs the house. The gray one is his feral buddy that come by every day . DSCN0630.JPG DSCN0667.JPG
     
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    No sign of momma. Put an old waterbed heater under the tote and wrapped a bottle with warm water in a towel. Low 80s out so they should be warm. Powdered cat milk on the way. Hope they make it. Already have two cats,why couldn’t they be puppies.....
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    I hope you have expert help locally that has explained everything.
    But just in case.
    If you feed, you must toilet too.
    Hand warm, with wound swabs, wipe soft but firm, mimicking the mum lickig their bums.

    I hope they all see the morning <3
     
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    Just got the powdered milk replacer. Read about cleaning their bums. Will do that next feeding. The farmer next door has been giving me advice also. She has hand raised a couple of litters over the years. Says the first 24 hours are critical.
    No sign of the mother all day. Left food in several places for her but nothing touched. Guess I will be up all night with them. Won’t bring them in til tomorrow,hoping she returns after dark.
     
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    Any updates? Hopefully doing well.
     
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    All 6 still with us. One is kind of feeble but still eating. A couple of the bigger ones latch right onto the syringe and suck their allotment down. Made an incubator of sorts out of a clear tote and a heating pad. They seem to like it. They let me know when they are hungry. Was up at midnight and 4 am feeding them. Fingers crossed...
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    That's great news.
     
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    Said to the vet in the house "all six still alive" and the reply was a surprised "oh, wow" it really is no easy task.

    With the little one, you may need to resort to bra therapy. It may have gotten a bit cold. If there is a mrsBack, she could hold it in her bra to keep it warm.
    I have a friend who does this on regular basis, she volunteers for the cat sanctuary. Been plenty of times she teaches ac installations with a kitten with her.
     
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    Feeding time
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    I wish there was a fairy that would trade six happy kittens to a perfect puppy in twelve weeks time.
     
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    Just fed them. The runt ate all 5 ml and seems to have figured out sucking. Still trying to get a couple of them to produce a good poop,but hard keeping track of who is who. No one has exploded yet:11:
    They all seem toasty warm now. Moved them into the house this afternoon,gave up on momma. My two cats are scared of them...
     
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    The temp in the box should be between 31-33C during the first week and then gradually lowered during few weeks to room temperature, you can have a thermometer in the box to easily check.

    Try and mark them somehow, tiny mark on toe is four, one on the bum, one on the head. Dog breeders often use a drop of nail polish, but even ink marker stays a few days.

    I would start a ledger, feeding amounts, poops and pees (color, amount, temperature, daily weights (kitchen scale with a kitten in a bowl), appearance, lazy/eager eating etc, anything else that comes to mind.

    The poops and pees are important, the first poop can take even a few days to come and then atleast once a day. Pee should come every time. And it should be atleast 4-5 times a day, before feeding. At around 3-4 weeks they should be developed enough to do it themselves.

    Oh and sponge baths, few times a week. Warm water, wash mitten or cloth, like mum was washing them. It stimulates the nervous system of the skin.

    And it's been few years since the older ones have seen kittens, they don't understand what they are.

    Later on they will be in a really important role, they will teach them how to be cats.

    I can't express how much I respect you for taking on this task and doing your best for the little ones!
     
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    You are awesome for doing this! It takes a special kind of person to take the time to care for these little critters. Like I said before, there was a reason this happened. :)

    Big kudos to you for this. :)
     
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    I am a little cool.Turning up heat now Thanks! image.jpg
     
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    Day 3
    All 6 still kicking. The runt had me worried last night,but is much better now,just ate it’s full helping. I am the one that is exhausted.....
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    Sweet!!!
     
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    Nice. You are going to have a great group of mouse catchers soon. You are going to keep them all, aren't you? ;)
     
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    I foresee a Bushcraft Kitty GAW in the future.....
     
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    Wife thinks you won't have any problem with people taking them. Everyone loves a cute kitten. That said nice GAW and even though we are neighbors, not in.
     
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    Hmmm.
    Bushcat giveaway.
     
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    Don't have any use for cats outside unless they are barn cats. they kill way too many other animals. If they show up at our house the dog takes care of the problem as soon as he finds them.
     
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    Spay and neuter every one of the suckers.
     
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    You are doing an amazing job!
     
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    Update please.
     
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    Kittens are awesome.
     
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    Disastrous Friday. All were doing good till early morning feeding Friday. Then they suddenly stopped eating and became listless. Lost 4 in 4 hours. Vet thinks they probably aspirated. Recommended a tiny bottle for the remaining two. So far so good with it. Totally bummed out,wish I could of done more. Only bright spot is the runt is one of the survivors. He is a fighter. The other is the largest one.
     
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    Sounds like you've got a special soft spot for the little guy. Glad he made it and I hope he continues to thrive. Very sorry about the other four kitties though.
     
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    Aw man I am sorry.
     
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    You have and are doing well. It's natural to feel bummed out about it, but just think what the outcome would have been had you not been chosen. The kittens knew what love is, and that is something special. The remaining ones, hopefully keep on trucking and you will have trouble passing them along. They will have dug deep into your heart by the time they are old enough to leave. Congrats on your new cat family.:)
     
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