What’s in your med kit?

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  1. Vpetrell

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    What’s in your med kit when out hiking or backpacking?

    I keep a med kit in my daily bag that I use on hikes as well. Since I carry a firearm, it has a tourniquet, some quick clot, a trauma pak, saline souluiton, and some other miscellaneous first aid.

    I am trying to minimize all my gear for hiking and backpacking, but not sure I want to skimp on the first aid.

    Obviously this may change as some area I will be hiking in, if out if state may not allow me to carry my firearm.

    What’s in your light weight bare bones med kit?

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    • Bandage Materials
    • 4 - Bandage, Adhesive, Fabric, 1" x 3"
    • 2 - Bandage, Adhesive, Fabric, Knuckle
    • 2 - Bandage, Butterfly Closure
    • 3 - Dressing, Gauze, Sterile, 2" x 2", Pkg./2
    • 2 - Safety Pins
      Blister / Burn
    • 1 - Moleskin, Pre-Cut & Shaped (11 pieces)
      Instrument
    • 1 - Splinter Picker/Tick Remover Forceps
      Medication
    • 2 - After Bite Wipe
    • 2 - Antihistamine (Diphenhydramine 25 mg)
    • 2 - Ibuprofen (200 mg), Pkg./2
      Wound Care
    • 3 - Antiseptic Wipe
    • 2 - Alcohol Swab
    • 1 - Tape, 1/2" x 10 Yards
    • 2 - Triple Antibiotic Ointment, Single Use
    • 1 - Neosporin
     
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    Years ago I climbed Mt Monadnock in New Hampshire—nothing special it’s a non-technical climb and so many people do it there is usually a waiting line to summit. On the top there was this bunch of witches doing some kind of sunset dance in bare feet. Not smart when the top of this overgrown rock is covered in broken beer bottles, and naturally one of them lacerated her foot. It was a decent cut that must have required a few stitches to close. They were making the rounds asking of any one had a FAK and no one even had a band-aid on them. They finally got around to asking my party, and I resolved their problem. I don’t understand how people can come into the outdoors without even the most basic of self-help material. I was smiling ear to ear as I fixed the witch’s foot. She never knew my name, but if she did and put two and two together she’d have realized a descendent of a famous Salem witch hanger had just helped her.

    My day hike kit concentrates foot care, insect bites, minor ouches care; but I’ve got a lot of knowledge and have had lots of practice :D
     
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    Trauma kit: Tourniquet, compression bandages, quick-clot gauze.

    Boo-boo Kit: antiseptic, tweezers, band-aids (various), gauze and wrap, ibuprofen.
     
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    Why didn't they just cast a spell to seal the wound?
     
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    LOL I think they were getting ready too. I kept thinking of Monty Python lines like “She turned me into a newt” or “What else burns –More Witches!” I’m a live and let live kind of guy so I just wrapped her foot up and let if at that. She bled red blood so I guess she was a good witch :D
     
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    This is my basic kit
    Always nearby
    In the car i have a larger kit and mix it up depending on the outing
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    Duct tape; for patching holes in most anything

    Bag balm impregnated cotton balls; antiseptic fire starters

    Flour Sack Towel; head covering, towel, washcloth, tablecloth, tourniquet, or bandages

    Sewing Kit; for patching holes in most anything
     
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    What do you carry them in? Do you take both with you?
     
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    Corn meal and gun powder, ham hocks and guitar strings.
     
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    This is pretty much what I carry.
    I've also got a few bandannas, neosporin or equivalent with me as well.
     
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    I have a large first / only aid kit I have.

    When I'm just on short walk about I like having a large bandana / dew rag; some duct tape, some super glue, and a small pack of medecines Notably benedryl and ibuprofen. A couple single use triple anti biotic tubes.

    I have fund the meds and ductape for small boo boo's get the most use.

    I have a repair kit with needles in it for getting out splinters, and usually other stuff that may be put to first aid use.

    If I suspect I could need to take care of others, then I at least attach a largish pouch to my pack.

    If it is hunting for some lost soul, then the full med pack gets to go along along with coms and such. (I usually put one of my boys to carrying the med stuff and another one with food and family gear. etc.) We have been blessed this year without having to deal with any local tragedies, but they happen, best to be prepared and not need it than need and not have it handy.
     
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    ditto on the "live and let live"....I see the same types on "Lantern Hill" near foxwoods.

    Back to the thread...

    I carry a basic store bought kit, except I take out a lot of the band aids and add in some quick clot and a tourniquet. My kit is centered around hunting and any injury that may arise from that, mostly cuts from gutting or my arrowheads.
     
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    I keep both in my daypack, which goes with me into town, etc.

    I also have spare trauma kits that stay in my truck console and another in an IFAK pouch on my woods/hunting belt kit.
     
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    There's a RN in the local bird watching group that scares more than reassures me. She packs enough first aid to set up a triage.
    First Aid is to keep people stable and alive until you can get them to full on medical care asap and practice 'Do no harm.' I do
    keep a fairly complete kit with as much redundancy as possible.
     
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    Mine fits in a Mentos container.

    Several large cloth-backed band aids, tweezers, tick tool, NeoSporin, dental repair kit (tiny-about the size of a foam earplug), and I think that's it except for meds: Motrin, Pepto-Bismol.

    I have a larger kit with a little more in it, but the thing I CAN'T improvise is meds. For everything else, there's duct tape, a bandana, a t-shirt, or something else. Beyond that, I'm past the limit of my skills to treat.
     
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    All I have is:

    quikclot
    trauma dressing
    2 alcohol wipes
    1 neosporin packet
    small gauze tape
    ibuprofen
    small piece of moleskin
     
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    ^This is a sentiment that I'd like to hear more people admit.

    I don't go anywhere without a good (i.e. tuned to me and what I do) FAK. It's never further from me than my EDC bag, even in the house. It's a medium HPG pouch with trauma supplies immediately available (two rolls of gauze, swabs, tape, closers, and gloves), and then more of the same, plus what I would normally take for a few days backpacking, plus the 5 C's, all wrapped in a plastic bag. I really like the integrated FAK/PSK approach; it not only gets rid of the only-an-altoids-tin philosophy, but reduces the number of pouches/containers you need to have with you.
    One thing I've used way more often than I thought I would is blaze flagging tape; I've used it marking where I've gone in fishing creeks I didn't know, flagging lumber on the ride home, marking deer trails, and more, so I keep a big roll in my truck and replenish a small amount in my FAK when I need to.
    Since we're on the subject, I dropped a newly-sharpened chisel on my foot, in birkenstocks, three days ago. It was sufficiently bad to wonder whether or not to go get stitches, but no major stuff got cut, lots of slow blood. I had gauze, tape, and butterflies on it very quickly, but I noticed that all the cloth and mesh tape in the ziploc bag was ruined; somehow, moisture had gotten into the bag and sealed the tape into one big chunk of useless. I'd really rather find that out in my kitchen than on the trail somewhere. Check your kits!
     
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    I separate my Trauma kit and my booboo / hygiene kit.

    The IFAK is in my cargo pocket so it's with me at all times if I'm out hiking, while the booboo kit / hygiene kit is in my backpack.

    IFAK:
    CAT Tourniquet, Israeli Bandage, Halo seal, Quick Clot gauze, Gloves, Small benchmade rescue hook

    Booboo / Hygiene Kit:
    Standard booboo stuff (Various bandaids, tegaderm, steristrips, antiseptic wipes, antibiotic ointment)
    Basic Meds (Oral Rehydration Salts, Anti Diarrhea, Pepto, Pain reliever, etc)
    Hygeine stuff (Wet wipes for field bath, hand sanitizer, sunscreen, insect repellent, buttpaste, powder, travel sized bodyglide for anti-chafing, Moleskin)

    My PSK also has some minor booboo stuff in it, just smaller in quantity.

    I don't EDC anything med related but a good pair of nitrile gloves, though I have an FAK in the car / with my fire gear so it's usually pretty close at hand. Tweezers on my keychain get a hell of a lot of use.
     
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    I just took a recertification course for my Wilderness First Responder and I built a new kit just for the course...

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    IFAK includes:
    -RAT's Tourniquet
    -space blanket
    -Israeli 4" bandage
    -quick clot clotting sponge
    -trauma shears
    -rolled gauze (3"x36", x2)
    -ace bandage
    -medical tape
    -nitrile gloves
    -wet wipes
    -CPR face shield
    -dust mask
    -gauze pads (4" x3 and 6" x3)
    -pencil
    -boo-boo pouch w/bandaids, moleskin, antibiotic ointment, burn cream, alcohol wipes, aspirin, Ibuprofen, antihistamines, hydrocortisone cream, tweezers
     
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    normally my first aid kit weighs a little over an ounce- small roll gauze, leukotape, Steri-strips, packet of triple antibiotic, small bag of meds

    for my upcoming trip into the Bob Marshall, it's about 3 ounces- adding to the above 6 4x4's, two packs of Celox, small irrigator, splinter tweezers, ACE bandage, more meds
     
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    I quit carrying much of anything. A couple of bandaids, maybe a gauze square and some super glue, but usually it’s a knife, leatherman, chapstick and a belt.

    I’m of the thought process that if I know I have the stuff to patch me up if I’m stupid, I’ll do some stupid shit.

    The above post sounded dumb when I re-read it, so here’s the truth.....I’m lazy and carrying stuff just in case gets heavy. So I don’t carry it anymore, I’ll improvise, I guess. I have to carry a ton of shit I don’t want to at work so I’m not going to when I’m out on my own time.

    I’m not a doctor, nurse, EMT or anything special. I took a cpr class a few years back as a work requirement, but couldn’t tell you anything I learned.

    So far so good (don’t worry, I just knocked on some wood.....)
     
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    Especially compared to other kits here, not much but definitely vitamin I can't be backpacking without vitamin I.

    The rest is pretty standard affair, a few different bandaids, antiseptic whipes, small super glue tube and the rest is repair kits stuff like needle and thread, spare lighter, twisty ties, safety pin, button compass. Weights just over an oz or maybe under, can't recall now.

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    A dozen assorted bandaids couple packets of ointment and a bandana make up my kit
     
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    My kit that goes everywhere with me

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    my kit includes pretty much the same as most of you except for the addition of ''LISTERINE'' this will help kill germs in your mouth and on wounds.
     
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    My kit include other things like colloidal silver, a BP monitor cuff, O2 reader, blood glucose reader ,chem strips for PH, and a few odd meds for the person I care for .
    I keep extra water and food in the car and blankets and other things that can come up .
    Just recently got a Hoyer lift as well.
    When you have faced a number of events unprepared ,it's foolish to continue being unprepared .
    There is a certainty of life, and that is; It is full of the unexpected.
    If you never use the stuff you carry consider your self blessed .
    If you find your using the stuff you carry consider your self blessed .
    The very first/fastest thing one should be able to grab is something to stop bleeding.
    And chance are, more than one person ,one point needs attention.
    Know your alternatives.
     
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    Without going into too much detail, I tend to go heavy on the first aid kit. We like to bring alot of sharpened steel into the woods so I have a good bit of gauze and tape to patch up the holes and stop the bleeding caused by said sharp steel. It is in no way a blowout kit but with my medical background coupled with the equipment I carry I'm fairly confident enough in being able to control most bad situations that can arise. I also carry enough bandaids, alcohol swabs, and small gauze pads to cover the people im with.
     
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    I just put this together last week!

    Weight 9.3 oz.
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    Sort of heavy but I like having all the items.

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    Misc bandaids
    Disinfectant wipes
    Gloves
    Gauze
    Tape
    Liquid bandaid - this is a must have!!
    Thread and needles
    Lighter with duct tape wrapped it around it
    Safety pins
    Tweezer
    Sling shot bad - aka tourniquet
    Forceps
    Scissors - since replaced with smaller pair.
    Scalpel - blade only, I’ve since removed the handle.

    I like the pouch a lot. It organizes and lays out like a blanket so the contents don’t get dirty when you need to use it.
     
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    The biggest question isn't what you carry so much as what you know. What kind of medical training do you have? Basic first aid CPR, WFR, EMT? The contents of your kit will (or should) be driven by that. I work full time as an EMT with a fairly large, busy EMS service, so my kit may have more (or more likely, different) items than other folks. Other questions: how many people are you trying to cover with this kit? For how long? All of this will drive what to have in your kit. I personally usually use a combination of what's left of two "minor first aid kit" modules from Rescue Essentials, modified with a few other components added in (SAM splint, coban, CAT tourniquet, burn gel, some OTC meds, etc), in a Tru-Spec copy of an issue GI MOLLE medic pouch. This has covered me on many outdoor occasions with family, friends, and even in the military. The biggest thing, though, is what's between your ears, so find a reputable class that appeals to you.

    Rescue Essentials Minor First Aid Kit: https://www.rescue-essentials.com/minor-first-aid-kit/
     
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    There's wisdom, right there!

    I carry a storebought travellers FAK, which has all the things needed for minor injuries, plus I added painkillers (which I rotate before every seasonchange, just as a routine) , a tick removal tool and one armyfielddressing. Just in the event of someone messing up big time with an axe etc. All fits in the palm of my hand.
    Otherwise my training and improvisation will have to sustain the victim for an hour, max. Hopefully my training will be extended by a wildlife/outdoor emergencycourse next year.
     
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    That is pretty much what mine looks like. I opt for excedrin vs ibuprofen, and a few additional pills: benadryl, and immodium.
     
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    To be honest, I carry a very small med kit while camping/hiking. It is basically a booboo kit for minor cuts, scratches, burns and stings. It is kept in a 3"x5" zip-lock bag and stashed in my possibles pouch. Carrying such a small kit is probably very irresponsible of me but it is what I have done for years. This thread is making me rethink things though...
     
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    @Dubhelix brings up an excellent distinction of trauma vs. boo-boo. I have nothing in my FAK for serious trauma, because I have no training for it. My FAK has the usual stuff; bandaids, a couple of gauze sheets, tweezers, a tick key, antiseptic, anti-monkey butt powder, and duct tape, which I did give to a mountain biker to hold a broken finger once. Also the ever important hand sanitizer...
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    the first aid kit I carry hunting in the backcountry is much heavier (and well stocked) than my backpacking kit

    tourniquet
    triangle bandage
    small irrigator
    combat gauze
    4 4x4's
    2 steristrips
    leukotape
    ace bandage
    small scissors
    meds (ibuprofen, acetaminophen, couple regular size aspirin, immodium, benadryl), couple of bandaids, triple antibiotic packets, benzoine, alcohol wipes

    lots of other things carried that have carryover into first aid- nitrile gloves in my kill kit, emergency blanket (also in kill kit), duct tape in repair kit, Havalon blade, others

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    Cool thread. I’m off work tomorrow. I’ll try to put together a considered response then. Or maybe tonight.

    My FAK is a lightweight aluminum box I’ve been restocking, tweaking, and upgrading since 1977. I’m pretty sure it still has exactly one item from the original contents.

    Meanwhile, a question... I see several people include a tourniquet in their FAKs.

    What’s the group’s collective wisdom on tourniquets?

    I’ll come clean. I’ve always avoided them, thinking it’s better to use direct pressure and if needed pressure on a key point (like, for a leg injury, pressure behind the knee or at the groin), and if it seems like a tourniquet is the only option, something less biting than cord, like a rolled bandanna or triangular bandage.

    (As it happens, I talked with the program director of the Paramedic program at the technical college where I work today. If I can make it work with my schedule, I’d like to go through our EMT program and then work with another nearby group — https://www.offgridmedic.com/ — to get the Wilderness EMT cert.)
     
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    Mar Kill aluminum box w rubber band - been restocking this box since 1977. Wish Mar Kill was still around. The box is light but tough, and "telescopes" when you need more room. Take the lid off and you have a clean controlled space to put un-needed stuff.

    Folded square of aluminum foil - not for 1st aid but very useful and I have to pack it somewhere.

    Sterile 40" triangular bandage - the single surviving item from 1977. I should probably check it. It might have deteriorated to spider web. But it's marked "sterile" and we have been together so long!

    Peptobismal tabs, ibuprofen, anti-diarrhea pills, muscinex, melatonin, Vicodin left over from oral surgery - pretty self-explanatory, but a shout out for melatonin... sometimes hard to sleep in new surroundings

    Safety pins and needles - they're sharp; nowadays they have new "bent" safety pins that are better

    FAK tape and self-adhesive tape - the self-adhesive stuff is awesome

    Alcohol prep swaps - can sterilize, but also remove pine sap and also (shhhhh!) really handy when you need to cheat just a teeny tiny bit to catch a spark and start a fire. Super cheap.

    Bandaids, sterile gauze patches, mini packs of anti-coagulent, mole skin, mole foam, finger bandages w mini-condom protectors, and butterfly patches (I am very disappointed that in this group only one person mentioned butterfly patches, and s/he only takes two. Butterfly patches are field stitches, one of the most important FAK components, and very compact. Duct tape can go on top but is not a substitute.)

    Finger splint - finger bandages (above) are terrific. Many injuries I encounter are on fingers (maybe because I like to dick around with knives). And finger injuries suck: painful, inconvenient, and hard to dress. So I recently added this.

    Good tweezers - steal your wife's best tweezers then play dumb. You'll both be glad you did.

    Hydrocortisone cream - good for itchy allergic stuff

    Triple antibiotic cream - good for cutty burny places

    Tea tree oil - best antiseptic ever

    "New Skin" roll-on bandage - works great sometimes

    Good dense little book on Mountaineering First Aid - good reference in an emergency, and also good emergency reading material (you *really* need something to read.)

    Miscellaneous instructions and dosage info cut from packages and stored in box - keep all that

    Missing from photo:

    Victorinox Executive... best FAK knife/scissors ever. Compact. The much-maligned orange peeler blade is perfect for removing first-aid/medical tape. This knife should have been called the "Medic".

    Bic lighter wrapped with duct tape. I keep that in my pocket.

    PSK. Key items kept in a separate pouch carried when leaving camp, largely overlapping with the above.
     
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  41. mtwarden

    mtwarden roaming the Big Sky Supporter

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    ^ "butterfly" bandages are very old school- look up Steri-strips- much better

    the best tweezers I've found are the small military issue ones- makes short work of splinters/ticks & small light
     
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    I have a basic first aid kit (a small wood+leather box).
    Two rolls of bandages (3 and 4 inches wide), finger bandages, leukotape, wet wipes, antiseptic, antibiotic, ibuprofen, aspirin, non-glass thermometer, medical gloves, scissors, tweezers, needles and threads, waterproof matches. And a small bottle of water.
     
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  43. BradGad

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    Good to know
     
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    Keithturkjr Scout

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    To me if a gun is present the first aid kit has to be bigger. You might be able to save weight by putting it in a ziplock bag and mark location with electrical tape. Trauma items should be there though.

    I don’t carry a gun camping and I have a small packet of “celox” a cravat and a single Israeli bandage as the most serious items in my 1st aid kit. It’s mainly for serious cuts and burns.
    Mine fits in a ziplock sandwich bag.
     
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    andy.t Guide Vendor

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    My IFAK has gradually evolved into the following:
    AMK Wound Care refill pack
    AMK Mini Med refill pack
    T3 Israeli Bandage
    CAT (or SOF-T, depending on which bag I grab)
    Mini-roll of Duct Tape
    Gloves

    These will get me pretty far down the road. Beyond that, I'll have to improvise.

    There are a ton more items I could carry, and that are quality, reliable things to have. It just seems like if I try to squeeze in anything more than this, the pouch starts to grow in size and weight and often gets left behind.
     
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    My last formal First Aid training was when I was still working, and in uniform.
    It's a touch out of date now probably, but I was taught how to safely remove cross bow bolts and to identify the plant 'Wound Wort' to assist in the healing of sword cuts...:D

    I carry a main First Aid Kit which fits into a pocket on my Bergan and also a small kit which stays on my belt.
    I work on the theory that if I suffer a minor cut while away from camp then it will just have to bleed until I get back to camp. The main item on my belt is a military First Field large Dressing ( British Army wound dressing) in case I run out of blood before I get back to base....There are also a couple of Band Aids and cleaning swabs in my belt kit.

    My main kit consists of..
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    Top row from the left..
    Sterile wound wash liquid.
    Non adhesive wound dressing.
    Tick tweezers with a built in mini torch
    Scissors
    Tweezers (splinters etc:)
    Magnifying glass
    Pair of surgical gloves in plastic bag
    individual Band Aids
    Middle row..
    Antihistamine insect bite cream
    Antiseptic cream
    First Field wound dressing
    Roll of Band Aid uncut.
    Panadol (Paracetamol) pain relief
    Bottom row..
    Crepe bandage
    Mylar space blanket
    Mirror
    Individual antiseptic wound wipes.

    The red pouch with the clear front is 8"x 5"x 3 and fits into a readily accessible pocket on my bergan.
     
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    I keep three of these with my FAK, they're red, they blink constantly, and you could theoretically set up an LZ if you had to. Plus if you were lost and set up 3 blinking red lights, it'd be pretty noticable.
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  48. Midwest.Bushlore

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    Great thread! My kit is kind of on the heavy side; I haven't weighed it but it's a Maxpedition F.I.G.H.T. pouch crammed pretty full. It has come in handy many times out in the woods. But I think it's time to tear it apart and reevaluate what I need in light of several years further research and study. Plus for whatever reason I don't have a TQ in there!:eek: I've got a few CAT TQs but somehow never put one in the main kit, an oversight I need to address before my next outing.
     

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