What a scam...Doctors overlooking vitamin deficiancies

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    In order to make money prescribing un necessary meds. Simple vitamin D and B deficiencies affect our sleep. The resulting sleep deprivation causes a whole host of problems including lowering your immune system. Also hypertension, and increased risk for stroke and heart attacks. How many docs actually look at your vitamin levels ?

    https://drgominak.com/sleep/vitamin-d-hormone/
     
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    I've never seen a poll concerning that but my doc does, so at least 1 that I know of.;)
     
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    I had one out of four check. My D and B were at rock bottom. Easy fix once your figure it out.
     
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    Mine do, every time they do blood tests. I have been prescribed massive doses of vitamin D a couple times to get my levels up. Vitamins prescribed by the doctor are free on my insurance. Vitamin D is important for people with anxiety/depression issues
     
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    Most doctors aren't looking to solve their patients ailments, but rather, create more patients by prescribing medications known to cause severe side effects they can then also treat. A healthy patient is a none paying patient, and that doesn't get the yacht paid for. Western medicine is about masking the symptoms of the disease without actually treating the disease because there is far more money in treatment than there is a cure. This may be frowned upon thinking, never the less, it becomes more true every day. So, several years ago the AMA started a rumor that vitamins were useless and were just a way to create expensive urine. That got a lot of self proclaimed "geniuses" to run with said rumor and the vitamin revolution was on its way.

    Now, if you talk to a homeopathic doctor, they will explain how diseases can come about from various vitamin deficiencies and how to correct them by simply altering ones diet or by taking a simple supplement. I had a severe vitamin D deficiency about 2 years ago and my Dr. at the time put me on testosterone therapy without doing any tests. 2 years of roller coaster hormones and I find out my blood is as thick as cold syrup, a direct side effect of the testosterone I'd been taking. My Doctors solution??? Let's wait 3 months, THEN do another blood test. You could die in the meantime, but that was if no concern to him. He was busy creating a patient.

    That's when I started seeing my wife's doctor. She's one of the top 5 endocrinologists in the United States and did an immediate blood workup on me. First thing she found was that my testosterone levels were completely normal and that my biggest problem was the vitamin D deficiency I mentioned earlier.

    I've been on her vitamin regiment for about 2-3 years now and haven't felt better. My hair stopped falling out. Going to the gym is fun again and my energy levels are higher than they've been since I was in my 20's. The little aches & pains I had are gone and sleeping is an all night thing again. I'm not trying to show a conspiracy here, just attempting to show that your doctor may not always have YOUR best interests at hand and that vitamin deficiencies can, and do cause other problems. So get out there and get your blood workup done. You may find that long lasting ailment you have can be cured with a small dietary change. Good luck & good day.
     
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    I asked my VA doc to refer me to an endocrinologist , that's when she did the whole vitamin level work up. She said most people in the North East have these deficiencies due to lack of sun exposure. Started me out with 50,000 IU D-3 then I took 10-20K IU daily since. Within a month big difference. But my Vitamin B levels were still low, working on that now. Huge improvements in sleep and energy levels.
     
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    There are good, and bad, in all people. Unfortunately, many doctors, and big Pharma, look at the money, rather then a cure.
     
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    Physicians by and large are not in the profession to make money; with perhaps the exception of some plastic surgeons who limit their practice to cosmetic procedures. They work many more hours than you will ever realize, spend many thousands of dollars to earn and maintain their credentials, on their staffs, facilities, insurance, and equipment etc and they kill themselves at an alarmingly high rate.

    Dr’s aren’t mind readers; but you would be surprised at how much they can tell just looking in your eyes, in your mouth and at your skin and nails. However if you are not presenting with signs and symptoms and you do not voice a problem or answer question honestly they will miss things. A lot of people do not mention things because they know the Dr’s answer will often be referral to a specialist or to order more tests and they don’t want to be bothered with the loss of time, expense, or maybe even embarrassment.

    I read somewhere the number of prescriptions that are not even picked up or never taken and it was an unreal number. The meds cannot help if you don’t take them. Physicians cannot help you if you don’t help yourself either. How many here can honestly say that you are at the weight you should be and get the amount of sleep and exercise you should, don’t smoke, eat what you should, don’t drink etc.?

    If you complain about something and the doctor ignores it, then by all means ask why -- and if you don’t get an answer that makes sense request a second opinion or simply change Dr’s.

    What are the leading causes of death?

    • Heart disease: 635,260

    • Cancer: 598,038

    • Accidents (unintentional injuries): 161,374

    • Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 154,596

    • Stroke (cerebral vascular diseases): 142,142

    • Alzheimer’s disease: 116,103

    • Diabetes: 80,058

    • Influenza and pneumonia: 51,537

    • Nephritis, nephritic syndrome: 50,046 (these are kidney problems)

    • Intentional self-harm (suicide): 44,965

      Pneumonia used to be number 1 around the turn of the last century. It’s still a major killer. I suspect it was grouped with chronic respiratory diseases back then and if it still was it would be number three today. Had your flu and pneumonia shot?

      I’m surprised AIDS is not on the list but I’m not sure how this list is compiled. AIDS usually allows something else to kill you and the chronic respiratory disease numbers could be highly inflated with AIDS related deaths.

      But look what modern Dr’s have removed from this list: Polio, TB, Small Pox, Diphtheria, Typhoid, Yellow Fever, Measles, mumps, rubella, Plague, leprosy, scarlet fever all of which have been proficient killers in years past.


     
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    Both my docs do.
     
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    Yeah Doctors are bad. Some won't even check your oil or rotate your tires and forget about Green Stamps.
     
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    Indeed... a huge problem largely unknown by most people who live in the Northern areas, especially seasonally in winter with less sunlight exposure. My wife is on what seem like ridiculous iu's of VitD... except that they bring her levels up to normal and BOY DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I can actually stand to live with her when she is taking her vitamin D. lol.

    I would not say most, however, I would say far too many. Your story is far too common, sadly. Glad top hear you got it sorted out. I go a PA who is fantastic, and sees my entire family. It doesn't hurt that she's pretty to look at, but she's become a good friend to all of us and has found issues with my health, and helped me overcome them that in no uncertain terms has saved my life a couple times with her care. She is one that I trust completely, more than I trust some in my immediate family.
     
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    My former GP was a pill-pusher, would not even discuss diet or exercise. I gave up on him and found an endocrinologist. She eliminated 4 of the six meds, sent me to a dietitian. I lost 28 pounds. My A1C is under 6.

    I see her once a quarter.

    Maybe it's because she's Russian.

    "All Xs are Y" is rarely correct, in math or in life.

     
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    seriously dude, this is not reality. if you honestly believe it you need to get a new doctor...
     
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    It IS reality, just not yours, be thankful. And if you actually read what I wrote, you would have seen that I changed doctors. Just because something hasn't happened to you doesn't mean it isn't happening to others. Count your blessings that you haven't had to deal with a healthcare provider treating you like you don't matter.
     
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    We live in a rural area in W. PA. Every Doc I've found is like a clinic Dr. Your like cattle to them...
     
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    Werewolf Won, I want to thank you for always being a calm eye of rationality within the storms that too often blow across the forums.
     
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    Don't be so hasty. they are coming back because we let our guard down.
    As for vitamin B&D don't worry in six months they will be bad for you just like eggs..... oh wait eggs are ok again, well real butter, oh that ok now too well.....TOBACCO SMOKE THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR YA! although pot smoke seams to be just fine:confused:
     
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    These diseases have never gone away, they are just understood and effective treatments and preventatives have been developed so they are not the huge killers they were, but they can are still here and can kill. The problem is people don’t have the experience of seeing a child strangled with the killing phlegm of diphtheria, or death from renal failure from the fever, or a child in an iron lung paralyzed by polio etc. so never having known such agonies they believe they know more than the medical community. Some don’t immunize their children, many do not properly take prescribed (perhaps over prescribed) antibiotics and some of these old killers like TB have become immune to the drugs that have been developed and the new stronger generations of these once all but dead diseases are more powerful and durable than their ancestors ever could be.

    To ignore history is to set yourself up to relive history is not just a saying without dire consequences.
     
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    @werewol won makes some very important points and does it well.

    One has to wonder how much of the acrimony concerning doctors and medicine in general is simply deflecting responsibility. If I had a dollar for every time I sat with a way overweight patient who never exercised, consumed mostly junk food and complained about likely preventable conditions for which they accepted no responsibility, well, I'd have a bunch of dollars. These are not "bad" people nor are they morally deficient. Mostly they are ignorant, which is not a crime (or if it is we'd all be guilty from time to time). The old " It was bad , now it's good so everything is bunk" may seem easy but in the longer term may not work so well.

    We just don't educate folks as we should, for whatever reasons - and they are many and complex. There is also plenty of misinformation circulating in almost every venue. Advertising is not necessarily the best source of information, for instance.

    Epidemiologists have been working for a long time to deal with emerging strains of Multidrug Resistant Organisms (MDRO). A resurgence of Tuberculosis strains that drugs won't touch, currently mostly isolated in one region, could likely change our landscape in significant ways. That is not a doomsday scenario but just nature at work. Folks who grew up with annual Polio epidemics might miss kids in iron lungs but maybe not. So it goes.

    A cynical comedian once cautioned folks to remember our docs are "The same people who sat behind you in English class". True enough and no person in the medical biz at any level is infallible. But the real question we often avoid is just what is the responsibility of those seeking help, advice or just information?

    Going camping is a fine thing. Knowing how to select a camp site, create shelter and get a warming fire going are basic skills we all need to learn to make the experience better and in some cases survivable.. Why should the more basic concern with our health be so different?
     
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    The way I've seen it is...everybody has a blanket diagnosis, that gets the ball rolling, then referrals to specialists, medications, then meds. to "fix" the problem that one med created, and so on and so forth.
    Pains me to see people who go to the doctor carrying a shopping bag with 25+ bottles of daily medications.
     
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    My former GP was a pill-pusher who would not even discuss diet or exercise. I gave up on him and found an endocrinologist. She eliminated 4 of the six meds, sent me to a dietitian. I lost 28 pounds. My A1C is under 6.
    I see her once a quarter.

    I take zero meds to counteract problems caused by meds.

    "All Xs are Y" is rarely correct, in math or in life. Thus, I do not question your personal experience.
     
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    I will never forget flipping on the morning news to listen to the anchor say something to the effect of "vitamin supplements are shown to be a complete waste of money, and now for our next segment, this season's must have consumer electronics..."
     
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    I realize most bushcrafters have some degree of an antiestablishmentarian streak in them but you're not always doing yourself a service by assuming conspiracies and the worst of an industry.

    Here's the multivitamin story (speaking from memory so please excuse if some of my specifics are slightly off). Back in the early '70s (?) it was thought that taking broad multi-vitamin supplements would reduce vitamin deficiencies and improve health. So in households across America a daily multi-vitamin became a staple; I grew up taking them.

    But science keeps trying to learn more. Some of the best information comes from larger sample size (how many people are part of a study) and study duration (how long the study is run). In this case, they were able to follow a very large sample group of people over a very long time, like 30 years. What they found was statistically the people who took daily multi-vitamins were in no better health than those that didn't. People may have their individual stories but the larger average is more telling.

    If it really was just a money grab, they could have just shrugged and said, "well it doesn't hurt either" and let the rather lucrative multi-vitamin industry continue untouched. But no, the medical profession does not want to promote treatments that have shown to be ineffective, quackery. Do you want to spend your money and place your hopes on something that doesn't work?

    Now this doesn't mean that vitamin deficiency isn't a real thing or can't be treated. What it means is taking multi-vitamins doesn't help, apparently they're not absorbed in the body as well as vitamins that are naturally in the foods we eat. So instead we can more effectively deal with vitamin deficiencies by eating the right foods.

    (Vitamin D is a little different since most of it that we get naturally is due to sun exposure, not diet.)
     
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    I was Vitamin D deficient. As one gets older: 1) the skin is less effective in producing Vitamin D; and 2 you have thinner skin - less skin to produce Vit D. I take the D pills. My D levels test within the desired range.
     
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    They've proven most multi vitamins are not digested as they are hard pressed together with a wax I believe. Any vitamins I take are water soluble or capsules. The science is there and too each their own. I'm convinced they improve health.
     

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