What are your must know knots?

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  1. batmanacw

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    I am working on learning and remembering the Bowline, adjustable grip hitch, Alpine butterfly, blunt line hitch, truckers hitch, and poachers knot. Just to name the top ones.

    What knots do I need to learn?


    I'm liking the Siberian hitch a lot too.
     
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    Clove hitch. I use it constantly.
     
  3. batmanacw

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    That's a good easy one.
     
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    Figure 8
    Figure 8 follow through
    Bowline
    Butterfly
    Fisherman’s
    Double Fisherman’s
    Double Sheet Bend
    Munther hitch
    Truckers
     
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    Good list!
     
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    Canadian jam knot is a new one I am practicing. Fisherman's and Prusik knots are good to know.

    Tom
     
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    Clove hitch.
    Truckers hitch.
    Tautline hitch.
    Square knot.
    Sheet Bend.
    Miller's Knot.
    Larks Head/Girth Hitch.

    Square Lashing.
    Diagonal Lashing.
    Shear Lashing.
     
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    There is a world of wonderful knots to learn about for sure, but for normal needs and camping you only need a few.

    Square
    Overhand
    Clove hitch ( tied around a pole and free)
    Half hitches
    Tautline hitch ( with quick release)
    Sheet bend
    Figure 8 incl on a bight follow through
    Larks head incl follow TR through, using only one end free
    Prussik
    Canadian Jam knot
    Truckers hitch

    If you can do those reliability without much thinking, they will cover probably 95% of your needs. I almost never use a bowline. Even as a climber, we always tied on with a figure 8 follow through.

    :38:
     
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    Don't think I have seen anyone mention the prusik. If you do tarps you will certainly want to know that one.
     
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    Why? Tautline Hitch is all I've used for 45 years or more. There's a reason for it's name.

    Only time I've ever used a prusik is to climb a rope.
     
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    The prusik will be used between the tarp and the ridgeline to center and tighten the tarp on the ridgeline. Do a google search for tarp ridgelines.
     
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    The Prusik knot is stupid easy for tensioning a tarp on a ridgeline. The Tautline hitch is better for pulling a line tight on itself.

    I am loving the adjustable grip hitch with a release loop in place of the tautline.

    I would like to narrow down the list so there are not tons of knots doing the same thing.
     
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    Another name for the Canadian jam knot is the arbor knot. It does the same thing as a Buntline hitch but the Buntline seems much more secure.
     
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    I just checked out the Adjustable Grip Hitch. I am liking it too, easy to tie, even for me. Thank you

    Tom
     
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    I'm loving the sheet bend and slippery sheet bend.
     
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    In about this order of usefulness. If I had to teach, it would be in this order.

    1. Overhand-on-a-bight (simple loop, easier than a bowline).
    2. Lark’s Head (using the above Overhand-on-a-bight)
    3. Taut-line hitch (adjusting tarp lines)
    4. Clove hitch (setting tarp poles, starting lashings)
    5. Slippery hitch (one end of a ridgeline)
    6. Truckers hitch (the other end, for making the ridgeline tight, or tying a canoe to a rack)
    7. Canadian Jam knot. This is a bushcraft zip tie
    8. Mooring hitch (keeps horses and canoes from wandering)
    9. Bowline (rescue, tying a line to a tarp or canoe, overall a good non-slipping loop)
    10. Sheet Bend (to tie different sized ropes together)
    11. Sheepshank (to shorten a rope without cutting it)
    12. Square knot (kinda need it to tie off the end of lashings)

    which leads nicely to lashings... learn them; square, tripod, shear. Diagonal completes the set, but is less useful.
     
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    Thank @MJGEGB. He showed it to me.
     
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    I'll read up on the figure 8 follow through.

    I wonder which is more reliable? The figure 8 follow through or the bowline?
     
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    Thank you @MJGEGB for the Adjustable Grip Hitch
    Tom
     
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    Again, I've been using tarps for 45 years. Have never once needed any knot other than a tautline hitch.
     
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    I think they both are plenty strong, but I find the figure 8 is easier to untie after it has been loaded.

    The bowline can be tied quickly around your body (one handed bowline) which is good to know, but I have never had a practical use for that.

    :38:
     
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    For climbing, the firgure 8 is recommended over the bowline because it's supposed to be easier to visually confirm it's tied properly. That might not apply to anything you're using those knots for. They are both reliable if tied correctly.
    Bowline uses a little less rope.
     
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    A half hitch. More half hitches if necessary. Not many other knots needed, IMO. Bowline is nice for some things, but I live by half hitches and some figure 8s here and there for loops on ends of stuff.
     
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    Then you are good to go.
     
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    My knot app also says it's easier to confirm it's tied correctly. The figure 8 is supposed to be harder to untie once it has been under load but I don't know that through experience. The figure 8 is supposed to be more secure than the double bowline.

    I honestly like tying the bowline or double bowline because they are faster and easier to tie.

    I will spend the time to get used to the figure 8 and figure 8 follow through so I know how to use them.
     
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    Makes my job easier. I would add Bowline and timber hitch.
     
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    • Bowline knot
    • Taut-line hitch
    • Sheet bend knot
    • Alpine/butterfly loop
    • Clove hitch
    • Blood/fisherman’s knot
    • Prussick knot
    • Square/reef knot
    • Jamb knot
    • Truckers hitch
    • Timber hitch
    You can pretty much do everything with those.

    But, BTW, the Ashley Book of Knots is available as PDF here on the forum. An amazing resource.

    “Better to know a knot and not need it than need a knot and not know it!” (I stole that line,)
     
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    I think the timber hitch is pretty neat because it tightens down over the rope as the rope is tensioned around an object. Add a trucker's hitch at the other end and you have a secure load.
     
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    The right formation of half hitches could become a clove hitch or a taughtline hitch, or a cow hitch.

    Regardless of the knots you choose to use, knowing how to whip, braid, and hank cordage is important for rope usage. @ReallyBigMonkey1 has excellent youtube videos on storing rope for easy deployment. The bushclass lessons on cordage whipping, braiding, and twisting are likewise excellent for improving cordage use.
     
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    The tautline hitch essentially IS a prussik, with a built-in tensioner to act against your anchor and tighten your ridgeline. Same idea; different application.
     
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    I use this for fishing all the time. Not too difficult and very secure.
     
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    Figure 8 really comes into its own as a stopper and in joining/doubling two ropes without crossing the lines and lowering their strength.
     
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    I regularly use:
    Evenk hitch (Siberian hitch) for tying the first side of the ridgeline.
    Tautline for an adjustable second side of the ridgeline.
    Prussics for attaching the tarp to the ridgeline.
    Bowlines to attach the tieouts to the tarp.
    2 half-hitches to fasten the tieouts to stakes, usually. (Sometimes I will use tautline hitches.)

    General purpose:
    Overhand knot
    Slip knot
    Figure 8 on a bight
    Canadian jam knot
    Sheet bend
    Timber hitch
    Zeppelin bend
     
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    The Siberian knot has to be my favorite for tying a rope around something so far. It's so quick to tie and instantly untie.
     
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    I don't use a ridge line.
     
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    I won't spend much time doing mountaineering. At most I might join two ropes together. I would probably just use a sheet bend but I can look into the figure 8 for joining ropes. That would have been helpful a couple years ago pulling on a tree with a long rope and my truck.
     
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    For the most part I'll use the tie outs on the tarp instead of a ridgeline. Loop through a bowline for the tie outs. Siberian hitch to one tree and adjustable grip hitch with a slip on the other end.

    I would generally just use bowlines on both ends of a guy line and loop through the tie out and pull tight with my stake. If I have issues with staying tight I'll use a adjustable grip hitch on the stake end.
     
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    I don't see anyone mentioned the Marlin Spike Hitch. A good easy knot for setting up hammock straps.

     
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    I'll just use two half hitches on the tarp end and a taut line hitch on the stake/terminal end.
     
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    Sheet bend for joining two ropes of different diameter. I just use a square know to join ropes of same diameter.
     
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    The square knot pulled out with my truck pulling on it. :cool:
     
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    Whether the ropes are the same or different sizes, the sheet bend is always more secure. The value of the square knot is hinted at by its other name, the reef knot. It was and is used to tie up sails not in use; it is good for tying up or binding soft materials. Which means it us also useful in first aid. But it’s terrible for joining two lines under tension, and extra-terrible for joining two line that are sometimes under tension and sometimes not.
     
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    Yet the square knot is the knot the Army uses for finishing the swiss seat (square knot with half hitch locking knots) when repelling out of helicopters when rope is used to tie the seat. The square knot locked with half hitches is plenty secure. (Adding a bit of braggadocousness --- I was the honor grad in 1985 at the 101st's Air Assault School).

    [​IMG]
     
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    Were you using nylon rope? A square knot should not be used when joining nylon rope. That's also why you tie a locking half hitch on each running end. You should also do so with a sheet bend under that much tension. Also, once ropes are joined with a square knot and put under tension, do not relax the tension until the work is done. A square not won't slip under tension but will if tension is relaxed.
     
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    I don't recall ever seeing the bubtline. I'll have to look in the ol scout book and see if they list it. I use the arbor knot a ot though so a more secure option without using a lock knot on top would be nice
     
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    For camp use the Siberian hitch is a better, easier option.
     
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    If you use a loop for the wrap on a timber hitch, it is easily undone.

    Where I learned about using a loop with it:

     
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    Bowline probably the most universal knot along with the butterfly.
    the strength of these is that I can tow a truck with them and still undo the as easily .
     
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    Clove Hitch
    Square Lashing
    Eye Splices
    Bowline
    Bowline on a bite
    Prussik
    Larks head
    Shear Lashing
    Tautline
    Surgeon Knot
    Half Hitch
    Timberhitch
     
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    I was 12 or 13 or maybe 14 when I spliced this from rope I made. The slice is from 5 o'clock to 7 o'clock. Still have it in my curio cabinet. Outside of BSA requirements I've yet to ever splice rope.
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