What surplus 32 acp do you like?

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  1. scottman

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    I’d go with the 81, I have CZ 50 and 70.
     
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    Yes, and you just listed them. ;)

    Kidding, I would be super interested in the little Beretta.

    If that was sold out, first I would cry myself to sleep a few nights then would look at a CZ-70 or PA63. Neither would hurt my feelings.

    Not as excited about the Zastava TBH.

    I saw some of the links where they offer "pick the best cosmetic of 10 samples"... no idea how well that works in practice but I might consider it... per the description some of the Beretta Cheetahs are in pretty good shape.
     
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    i just wish the ruger lcp would be offered in 32acp.
     
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    What do you intend to do with it? Carry gun, range toy, etc... I've seriously looked at those Beretta's. Seems like a solid gun for the money- but that said, I've never owned one.

    And I'm a little afraid of the cost of .32 ammo. Mom has a .32 H&R that I take out and shoot for her every year or two. Buy a new box of ammo every time, shoot half, give her half... that stuff was almost $35 for 50 rounds the last time I found it in a local store (.32 S&W Long, if I'm remembering right- may have been "short" not "long").
     
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    If I had more expendable cash, I'd grab a couple of those berettas. I really like the .32acp cartridge.
     
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    Cz83 if you find one, or a vz61.
     
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    Anyone remember the surplus 32acp ammo that was intended for subguns like the scorpion? Really hot and fast!

    I was buying the last of it in the early 00s
    Shot a bunch of it thru my p32. :4:
     
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    Thanks for using the Jedi mind trick on me and getting me to order the Beretta! I will let you know how it looks. :)
     
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    I grabbed a beretta and a vz 70 for now in my order.


    Did you order 32 ammo online for the revolver ? Ever try wax bullets ? Cost per round isn’t the same as consumption of wealth rate

    I still want to try a naa gaurdian for closer barrel length to my p32.
     
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    32ACP

    Without a doubt 1903 Colt Hamerless

    Of what you mentioned...
    Beretta or CZ
     
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    Me too. I find the recoil of .380 in my LCP to be extremely unpleasant.

    Just snagged this tonight:

    Beretta 81 Left.jpg

    It's very clean with an AF date code, indicating that it was made in 1980. It's ridiculously big for a .32 auto, but it should be a joy to shoot.
     
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    I'm not a fan of the 32 because it's a bit harder to obtain the ammo and it's just not as common overall as the 380 acp. Despite that I'd go all day with the Berreta pistol. I've actually got an like new version of it in 380 that was a dept trade in. These little Berreta Chettah 81, 84, and 85 series pistols are just plainly outstanding and the recoil is not an issue as it is in some of the truly tiny little pistols.
     
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    I just picked mine up this morning. Shoots like a dream! I was amazed at how nice it looks for a surplus gun.
     
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    Very nice !!
     
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    The Beretta looks like a heck of a deal. Being a police trade in, you could hope that it was carried a lot and shot a little.

    I'm actually feeling tempted - except that I have no idea why I would want a .32 ACP in my stable. Unless you happen to be really recoil sensitive, or need a semi auto with a slide that is easier to rack, what's the purpose?

    (of course I fully realize that there are folks who need a lighter effort slide and folks who want a lighter recoil, I'm just not among them)

    *I'm ASSUMING that a .32 would be easier to rack since it is a lower power round. And since the Beretta is a pretty big handgun for the .32, I'm ASSUMING that the recoil spring wouldn't have to be very heavy. So maybe this would be a good choice for someone with weak hands due to age/arthritis/injury etc. And the size of the pistol would make it easier to shoot well compared to the typical itty-bitty pocket pistols you see these days.

    Damn. I'm about to talk myself into it even though I really don't need it!!
     
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    Actually, the Beretta 81's slide is not all that easy to rack. The pistol is blowback operated, so the mass of the slide and the recoil spring are all that hold it shut until the pressure drops to a safe level. I'd hoped that it would be easier to rack, as a potential pistol for my wife. However, I think she'll have problems with it.

    The main reason I got it though is because I like Beretta pistols, and these haven't been common, and when available were a lot more expensive.
     
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    Beretta by a lot. I had an old 84BB in .380 and loved everything about it except for the cartridge (blowback .380s can be a little surprising). In .32 ACP the Cheetah has to be a beautiful shooter.

    I stayed away from pocket .380s for a long time for this reason... just picked up an RM380 and it's a remarkably smooth shooter, very little recoil and not snappy either. With a pinky extension it's a good deal more pleasant to shoot (IMO) than my old 84BB was despite being half the size, lighter, and thinner. Expected to tolerate it, ended up liking it.

    Might be a solid alternative if you like the idea of a DAO pocket gun but don't like the LCP.
     
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    I had a .32 CZ27 that my dad brought back from WW2, but stupidly traded it for a Taurus .38 revolver back in the late '70's.
     
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    I played around a little a couple months back with a Zastava M70. Zastava is apparently stingy with names, and "M70" can be a Zastava Kalashnikov, a Zastava bolt action centerfire rifle, a Zastava 9mm commercial Tokarev, or a blowback .32ACP.

    I shot the latter.

    Well made and solid feeling. Steel save for the grips. 25 ounces unloaded is only a little lighter than the unloaded weight of an alloy frame Commander.

    I liked the service pistol style controls with an external slide stop. The hammer is in a module, a la Tokarev, which this resembles in miniature. And like a Tokarev, the provided trigger pull was bad. But that could be fixed. Sights were little. For around 2 bills in nice surplus shape, I'd consider it a good value for a well made pistol. Magazines seem to be a little less scarce than was once the case, which might not be true in 6 months.

    Not looking for a .32, and if I were, it wouldn't be single action. But it IS a good gun for money, I think.

    Ran flawlessly for the 3 magazines I fired. Noteworthy, though, this ammo was some quite old Remington 71gr FMJ. '50s or '60s, we reckon. General opinion is that US .32ACP is loaded down from Euro specs, and sometimes won't run well in pistols from across the Atlantic. Friend's VZ70, f'rinstance. No such such issues here.
     
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    I put 70 rounds through my Beretta 81 tonight, 50 rounds of Aguila and 20 of Fiocchi, made in Hungary. The Fiocchi was noticeably hotter.

    Anyway, no issues whatsoever with the gun and accuracy was good at 7 yards. I'm definitely pleased with my purchase. Hopefully, Beretta will see fit to import some more magazines.
     
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    These resemble the Beretta Model 70S in .380 ACP I had decades ago. Nicely made , even if big by today’s standards for a sub-service sized caliber. They’d make a nice home defense gun for those looking for moderate recoil. A heck of a deal at the listed price!
     
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    I just about pulled the trigger on an 81, until I saw what extra mags are going for. Good grief. Almost half the cost of the gun.
     
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    FYI Classic Firearms is doing a GAW, three winners will get a nicer Model 81 from the stock. Contest ends on 9/10.

    Not sure about mags, looks like Beretta has them for €34.90, less than $40.00 before shipping. Probably two for $100...? Expensive yes but at least the ammo is expensive too LOL
     
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    I thnk those mags are discontinued
     
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    32 acp online is in the ball park of many other calibers I shoot..... besides wax bullets the cost of 32 acp is pretty standard.
     
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    Nope... Still available. :)

    But they only ship inside the EU. :17:

    Assuming 81FS mags are the same, anyway.

    http://estore.beretta.com/en-eu/beretta-81fs-magazine-7-65-12-rou/


    Oh well... With 1639 now in effect in Washington I have no idea what hoops I'd need to jump through to buy a handgun. Seems like the initiative is much broader than what they said when they pushed it through.
     
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    I use 84 mags. They take a little modification but cost around $20.
     
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    Any helpful tips on converting them ? Thanks
     
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    You have to tap the feed lips in to match the 81 mag gap. The lips should be evenly tapped in till they are .395 between them. They have to be completely even from front to back. Take the spring out and bend it slightly down some where it meets the front of the follower. Shave off about .015 from the top front of the follower. You may have to take more off if the bullet tips up too much. It is a slow as you go process but can be accomplished in less than 30 minutes. Hope this helps.
     
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    I picked a nice model 81 too. Fiocchi 73 grain FMJ is minute of can at a laser’d 17 yards.

    I can second that the slide takes more effort to rack than expected.

    I bought a Fiocchi case of 1000 for about $260, so not too bad.

    Now I’d like to find a surplus leather Italian police flap holster, and I might get some new grips too.
     
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    They seem to be getting gobbled up well done !
     
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    picked up some guns today by far the beretta was the better buy. I feel the VZ came from a war zone.
     
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    Wow, like night and day. Used vs certified preowned. Did you pay the extra for best of 10?
     
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    nope just a classic firearms order with some other firearms for T&E
     
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    The beretta is very good - and a lot of steel for the .32. The pa63 is just as good - maybe better - with Wolff trigger spring replacement. The sights, alas, on both are no good for me anymore ...
     
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    I’d hope if I ordered a feg it would be in better shape then this vz
     

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