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Just applied for my LTCF/CCW at the courthouse.

Boy was that a drive!

Methinks they do it this way just to cut down on the number of armed citizens...:/

Now for the wait!

Anything I need to know in particular about CC? Holster options, laws re: keeping guns in cars, etc?

I live in PA if that makes any difference.

Thanks!

PMZ
 
I live in PA if that makes any difference

It makes a big difference. Know your state and local laws. Ignorance is not an excuse in the eyes of the law.

Be safe and have fun!
 
congrats, Trek!

yes...you need to know everything! really!

To carry legally is a right...an honor....a great responsibility. It's fantastic stuff...but demands a lot of careful execution on your part!

Find a local NRA chapter - they'll give you a complete course...hook you up.
The local gun shops can help (and have bad info too)

read, read, read...it's all posted on the 'net nowadays....read everything you can about WHERE YOU CARRY!

oh...and THANK YOU for becoming a legally armed citizen - we need all we can get!!!!!
 
Well the main reason I applied for one was due to the increased ease of transporting firearms in car or truck cabs. Since I can't carry at work, it's more for trips to the range and for off duty.

PMZ
 
Anything I need to know in particular about CC? Holster options, laws re: keeping guns in cars, etc?

Wow, that's a short question with A LOT of answers!! :D

You can spend literally DAYS reading stuff on the net, and every place will give you a different answer.

Obviously, PA laws will be different than every other state, but at least start by reading through your Attorney General's website (at least that's where they post it for Ohio). Should give you a good outline of the most common laws you'll need to know, but it's not exhaustive.

As far as how you carry, holsters, etc...get ready to spend some $$ amassing a supply of holsters you'll wear once and throw in a box:D It's just about the only way to find what is comfortable, concealable, and works for you. The one piece that is consistent is A GOOD BELT! I like these http://www.hanksclothing.com/amish_belts_brown_buy.html. They are way cheaper than most "labeled" gun belts, don't look like a gun belt, and are great quality leather.

Practice, practice, and repeat. And congrats!!
 
It makes a big difference. Know your state and local laws. Ignorance is not an excuse in the eyes of the law.

Be safe and have fun!

+1

Every state has different laws concerning your questions trek. Make very sure you are in accordance with them.

For further reading I suggest knowing the laws pertaining to the use of deadly force in your state as well. Take time to also read any cases that "case law" has prevailed in or has been created from.

Your local po po station is a good place to start.
 
Just applied for my LTCF/CCW at the courthouse.

Boy was that a drive!

Methinks they do it this way just to cut down on the number of armed citizens...:/

Congrats and good luck with getting your permit!

I don't know about PA but I can tell you in NJ they most certainly do everything they can to make it inconvenient, annoying, difficult, or just plain impossible for a citizen to own or carry a firearm. I'm glad for you that you can even apply for a permit with a reasonable expectation of being approved, unlike here. I'd say be grateful but you probably shouldn't need to be grateful for being "allowed" your rights :rolleyes:
 
1. Get a good belt and holster set. I like www.simplyrugged.com, but there are plenty of choices. If you plan to carry inside the waistband, you'll probably need a few new, larger trousers.

2. Get some training from a reputable operation. Deployment from concealed carry is a lot different than pleasure shooting at the range. Practice! Handgun handling skills deteriorate quickly, unlike rifle and shotgun skills.

3. Consider liability issues that are specific to an armed citizen. It's not pretty, but don't let it deter you. Just be aware of what might/will happen to you "in the event".

4. Be aware of the law. Don't take advice from the interwebs... speak to someone in the Attorney General's office, and/or in your local law enforcement agency. Get your info from the horse's mouth.

5. I am hesitant to leave firearms in a vehicle, but at times it is unavoidable. Leaving them out of sight is obvious, but hidden or disguised are other ideas to consider. A locking container may be required, as well.

6. Consider ease of access in your vehicle from a seated, belted position. Many holsters are useless when behind the wheel. It's not hard for a talented person like you to fabricate a vehicle mounted holster, say, under the wheel, or between the seats, etc. Discretion is the key.

Enjoy! Were more citizens legally armed, we would see a lot less crime than we do now.
 
I sincerely pity you guys in anti-gun states.

If it's this hard to get one here, I can't imagine what a pain it must be to get one in, say, Cali, NY, NJ, Mass, or Maryland! Not to mention the idiocy of Washington DC...:/

PMZ
 
Start with the attorney general's office for information on concealed carry in PA. Know where you can and can't carry like schools, government buildings, restaraunts that serve alcohol, numerous things. Holsters, depends on what type of Firearm and personal preference. I prefer a good quality leather holster like the Galco Fletch which is a higher ride but I carry a full size 1911. You have to find out whats good for you. Belt is very important then you have in the waistband, Paddle, thumbreak etc... the list is endless. Understand your legal rights and responsibilities for after the fact. Carrying full time is a huge responsibility and liability. Above all practice with the firearm you plan on carrying, practice alot. Welcome to the card carrying members club of concealed carry. You're just getting started, wait till you hve to go #2 at the store. :)
 
I hold the gun in my hand when in restrooms, public restrooms are always a last resort I would rather go in the bushes.
 
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I hold the gun in my hand whenin restrooms, public restrooms are always a last resort I would rather go in the bushes.

Had an acquaintance get robbed while in an interstate reststop. BGs grabbed his legs and pulled him under the closed door.

He also is ready for badness when business calls.

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Can you get one without a CCW class? Here in MI you have to have at least a safety class but I took the CCW specific class at a local shooting range. If you can get one of those do it. They had a police officer and an attorney come in and talk about the law. It was so worth it. Even people in my state who have a permit don't seem to know the key things they taught us. These are not just the facts of the law but the nuances you will need to know should you be involved in a shooting.
 
Discuss carry options, but lets leave the RKBA issues and legal niceties for other venues. Here, topic is limited to carry in the field, and use of firearms.

G1/ Mod

[Editing done for language issues. Most of you know better. ]
 
I don't carry, too young, but keeping them in a car is always a risky option. I would suggest buying a steel lock box with a cord to attach it to something, and fix it in your car, say in an armrest, and that should work. However, if you are traveling with a person you can trust, you can leave it in the car, with that person, informed and aware of firearms.
 
I just got mine a few months ago in WI. They do pretty good to make it easy on us. The biggest problem I run in to is some of the places I regularly have to go I can't carry anyways So I made sure to get a holster that can go on and off with ease in case it needs to be locked in my car. Also I hate IWB so that is taking some getting used to.
 
+1 on local NRA chapters. For holster options and carry modes you may want to find a local IDPA match or club. Typically pretty nice folks who will show you how they carry. Some people will let you try on some leather/kydex options. If you catch them on the right night, you might learn more about carry options in 30 mins. than you can learn from days on the internet.
 
Isn't It Sad That Permits Are Needed?

Trekon86:

Yes our government is great at making one jump through a lot of pointless hoops. I am of the same opinion as you in that regard. They purposely do it so the average person simply gives up before the drawn out process is complete.

I was married when I got mine. Both the wife and I applied at the same time. One morning, the phone rings. It’s for me, and it’s the county sheriff’s office telling me I’ve been approved. I answer, “Ok, can I pick it up today?” The woman on the other end says, “No, wait three days.” I said “Ok,” hang up and I lay back down. About 30 seconds after I hang up, the phone rings. It’s for the wife, it’s the county sheriff’s office telling her that she can come in and pick up her license to carry concealed. She asks if she can pick it up today, and the woman tells her yes. We both go down and pick them up. Strange story huh?

My experiences:

The biggest question you’ll probably deal with is that once people learn that you’re armed, many will feel the need to ask you why you need it and openly attack you. Women will imply that you have some genital deficiency. I used to try to answer that question, but after a few years, I simply told them that if they had to ask that question, they wouldn’t be able to understand the answer. In the end I just told them, “I carry because I can, and I think it’s unconstitutional that I have to get a permit to do it.” or “It’s me, the same person you’ve known for years and now suddenly I’m different in your eyes because I carry a firearm?”

The omega of the aforementioned crowd was the Glock freaks and or high capacity crowd. They picked on me because I only had a 8+1 1911, and 7+1 with some clips. Many people suffer from morephenism, it’s best to just let them think that their gun is better than yours.

I haven’t a clue what the laws are today. I’m not an attorney. The NRA is probably a good place to start. The police are not here to give you legal advice, so don’t ask them. You’ll probably not get an honest answer.

Vehicles:

At the time, I had two trucks, so before I went into prohibited buildings, I simply stuck my 1911 underneath the seat in a cheapo foam nylon holster that I’d clipped to the underside of the seat springs. That way somebody could fish around under the seat and find nothing because it was out of sight and off of the cab’s floor. My trucks sat high enough that I didn’t have to get down on my knees to do it.

I always left my truck unlocked. Experienced thieves will just defeat the lock and amateurs will smash a window. Locks only keep honest people honest. If it’s not hidden it can’t be found… Hence, they look through my truck, figure that there’s nothing there. No radio just a plaque that says FORD, everything’s open and in plain sight, the glove box only has my insurance and registration papers. They look under the seat, nothing there. Flip the seat forward and look in the back, and nothing’s there. I kept the inside of the truck clean and devoid of clutter. That way it only took a potential thief a split second to scan the truck and see that there’s nothing here. I never had gun stickers on my truck or any stickers that would lead somebody to think, “Hey this guy’s a gun nut, let’s see what he left behind.” I’m sure that some clever thief may have thought to look up inside the underside of the seat, but it never happened to me. I guess my point is, don’t look like an obvious target. It’s all about camouflage and concealment, ie, blending in. Hence, don’t use any stickers on your vehicle. Leave the self imposed placarded autos to hippies, soccer moms, and other types of overzealous people. Even a bushcraft sticker says, “Hey! I’m here! I potentially have some expensive gear! Break my window and have a look!”

Like brionic pointed out in post #10, a concealable lock box in a not so obvious location that's securely mounted to the vehicle is good advice. Situations will occur where the firearm must be left in the vehicle.

You’re going to get a million answers on the holster. I either crotch carried or used the small of my back. I wore tight fitting jeans at the waist, and didn’t use a holster. I did the same with the small of my back. I then just wore a bulky shirt over it. It also worked with shorts. Going to the bathroom will sort itself out. Just use a stall…

Get a dedicated carry gun. I had two. 1911 5 inch and 1911 3.5. I used the 3.5 the most because it is obviously the most comfortable to carry. I used to envy the wife with her little 5 shot 2” 38 Special. The few times I carried it, it felt like nothing compared to my 1911s. I carried daily, and in short order, I wore a lot of the bluing off. Lint collected in all sorts of areas as well, but especially in the muzzle. I carried a spare clip or two in my back pocket and the hollow points would deform quickly after repeated carry. Hey, I guess that’s why people use holsters… As I look back on it, I wish that I’d have just gone with a stainless steel revolver like the wife had. It was light, handy, and felt like I was carrying nothing. There was no bluing to wear off, and perspiration on a hot humid Pennsylvania summer day didn’t cause it to rust. The little revolver she had tucked away just about any place.

Situational awareness is the most important skill that needs to be honed. It takes precedence over a firearm, knife, and the like. Considering how long it takes to draw a concealed firearm, situational awareness is the most important tool you possess. The best fights I was ever in were the ones I avoided.

Good luck.

Cheers,
C&S
 
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I printed out Florida's laws and carry them with me. It IS a good idea to have them on your person. Many LEO are not familiar with all of the statues. I open carry when fishing from time to time, we cant open carry but one of the statutes states we can open carry while camping and fishing. I had a LEO lose his shirt on me one afternoon, I showed him the statute and he still did not get he was violating my rights. A super was called to the scene and the super read the statue, said he was sorry for any trouble and they went on their way.

If I did not carry the statutes I would have been cuffed and stuffed because too many LEO's don't know all the statutes. If you CCW you need to know them to protect your rights and to assure you don't cross any grey areas in the law.

Don't get your info from any place other than your states website, if you call them they will tell you all the statutes you need to read and where to find them.
 
Be careful about leaving your weapon in your vehicle. Other than the possibility of it being stolen, anyone who may drive your vehicle (wife, kids, or friends) could get nailed if they don't have a permit.
 
Anything I need to know in particular about CC? Holster options, laws re: keeping guns in cars, etc?

Do not skimp on the holster! Leather is your friend here. Plastic/Kydex is ok for woods carry or as duty carry but I have not had any that I like for CCW. Buy a good quality formed leather holster. You do NOT want a holster that goes flat after you draw. You should be able to reholster it with one hand. Get a couple styles. I have a good pancake holster that rides on my belt which is good when wearing a long shirt untucked or a jacket. My most used holster is an Inside The Wasteband (ITW) holster. This is easy to take on and off when getting in and out of the car. I like Bianchi brand stuff. Always great quality and comfortable to carry. I also recently bought a Maxpedition GTG to be my EDC bag and the holster pocket in it works great when a holster carry isn't viable.

Oh I carry a full size Glock 17 with 17 rounds in the mag and one in the pipe as my daily carry piece so my opinions are based on that.

This is the same model I carry most often(Glock version obviously). It is the Bianchi 100 Professional Inside the Waistband Holster
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EDITED TO ADD: Buy a portable vault such as the NanoVault or Stack-On Vault. They are portable, easy to properly secure in a car. They have to take the whole seat if they want the thing.
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Good luck,

Lerch
 
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Discuss carry options, but lets leave the RKBA issues and legal niceties for other venues. Here, topic is limited to carry in the field, and use of firearms.

G1/ Mod

[Editing done for language issues. Most of you know better. ]

My apologies for diverting :34: Back on topic.
 
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